Astral Projection and Risk / Danger

[Lighthouse]

I am trying to research any risk and/or danger to astral projection according to The Law of One or any other?

Any comments or advice are welcome.

[Lighthouse]

Various relevant texts:

8.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?

Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.

69.3 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. A question I didn’t get to ask the previous session which I will be forced to continue at this time is, is the trance state the only condition from which a mind/body/spirit positive entity may be lured by a negative adept to a negative time/space configuration?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a misperceived concept. The mind/body/spirit complex which freely leaves the third-density physical complex is vulnerable when the appropriate protection is not at hand. You may perceive carefully that very few entities which choose to leave their physical complexes are doing work of such a nature as to attract the polarized attention of negatively oriented entities. The danger to most in trance state, as you term the physical complex being left, is the touching of the physical complex in such a manner as to attract the mind/body/spirit complex back thereunto or to damage the means by which that which you call ectoplasm is being recalled.

69.7 ▶ Questioner: Is this also true of unconscious conditions due to accident, or medical anesthetic, or drugs?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that the entity is not attempting to be of service in this particular way which is proceeding now, the entities of negative orientation would not find it possible to remove the mind/body/spirit. The unique characteristic, as we have said, which is, shall we say, dangerous is the willing of the mind/body/spirit complex outward from the physical complex of third density for the purpose of service to others. In any other situation this circumstance would not be in effect.

69.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by, shall I say, a negative adept or whoever and then placed in negative time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

69.11 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.
However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.

[Lighthouse]

I'm just not sure how to interpret all this.

It seems... Carla was doing a particular work that made her vulnerable. Ra indicates that in some cases one who does such work makes themselves vulnerable to a horrible thing: being tricked by a negative polarity entity who can trick one into following them and being placed into a negative time/space reality (where the third density physical body ends up dead). And then must incarnate into a negative space/time.

Does this risk also take place with those who astral project (OBEs)?

Thanks for any help.

[Cyclops]

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[Silk]

I am trying to research any risk and/or danger to astral projection according to The Law of One or any other?
Any comments or advice are welcome.

The Carla case must be set apart in stark contrast to others for a couple reasons, mostly having to do with the entity's service as a vocal instrument to those of Ra, and the natural "opposition" this would attract.

To the "casual" entity, the risk/danger would be minimal and marginal at best(*). The more "serious" entity, if imbalanced and actively seeking/participating in this type of experience, will attract certain opportune influences which might be less-than-totally-positive (especially if this entity is of a "wandering" background).

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It is to be understood every entity exists in an OBE state already (the 3D veil makes this non-obvious). This is why physical tiredness demands a period of bodily rest. Upon sleep, every entity is "dissociated" (to greater or lesser extent) from their physical shell. The typical OBE is, in and of itself, a "bubble dream" occurring within the entity's sphere of influence. Though "dislodged", the entity is, for all intents and purposes, with its body. In this OBE state, the entity is relatively "safe".

It should also be noted an OBE need not involve extravagant Earthly "excursions" (which is what is stereotypically associated with a "projection"—walking out the house with a imaginary carbon-copy of your physical self, visiting neighboring locales, familiar places, etc—which is closer to being a "ghost", albeit in this case lucidly so).

This is why it is perhaps best to pursue the "lucid dream" type of OBE rather than the "Earthly projection" type. Though initially fascinating (to wake up realizing that body on the bed isn't "you" and that you can "pass thru walls" and all that jazz), the latter isn't particularly useful aside from helping one "wake up" to the nature of the physical dream, become less attached to the body/ego/identity, and cast out all fear of death(*).

Although positive services may be rendered in this "Earthly" type of OBE (as when entities "warn" relatives of impending events or come as bedside "apparitions" pre-/post-death), the "lucid dream" type is, potentially, far more powerful, less constrained, and overall "brighter" and more vibrationally "vertical," spiritually-speaking (as opposed to the relative "murky" and "flatline" nature the "Earthly" type of OBE typically involves).

NDE's are also worth exploring, if only for inspirational purposes (the "lucid dream" OBE has, in its more advanced degree, this very same potential to attain contact/communion with the "oversoul").

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(*)You might benefit from perusing Sylvan Muldoon's and Robert Crookall's works, whereupon several hundreds of (mostly non-spiritually inclined) 3D entities recount very-matter-of-factly their (almost unanimously positive) experiences (some had a "gift" for it, most were "accidental" awakenings into the OBE state via a multitude of triggers such as illnesses, falls, or anesthesia).
Average those out and you have your risk/dangers

These are fine starting points:

• Crookall - The Study And Practice Of Astral Projection (1960)
  
• Crookall - Case-Book of Astral Projection, 545-746 (1980)
  
• Muldoon - Projection of the Astral Body (1929)
  
• Muldoon - The Phenomena of Astral Projection (1951)
  

There's a couple other perennial authors as well as more modern ones. The above are simply more "broad" or "all-encompassing" since they are casebooks rather than personal stories (like, say Oliver Fox's). But if they are too "vintage" for your taste, try William Buhlman's Adventures Beyond the Body (1996). Also sample some OBE/NDE radio podcasts for a more extensive array of experiences.

Although not to be discouraged, it should be noted OBEs have also a great potential for becoming a distraction and stumbling block upon the spiritual path :exclamation:

[Infinite]

There are no dangers in astral projection.

The axiom of the projection is: everyone project when sleep, but the most don't do consciously. The "danger" is the same as every time you sleep.

Others books I reccomend:

"Journeys Out of the Body", "Far Journeys" and "Ultimate Journey" by Robert Monroe.
"Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce (complete book with theory and practice).

Observation: the astral projection is totally different of the case when someone is put in negative time/space. Don't worry.

[Lighthouse]

The Carla case must be set apart in stark contrast to others for a couple reasons, mostly having to do with the entity's service as a vocal instrument to those of Ra, and the natural "opposition" this would attract.
To the "casual" entity, the risk/danger would be minimal and marginal at best(*).

I'm not sure I know the difference between a casual and serious entity. I would want to astral project to learn and grow so I can be of better service to both myself and others.

The more "serious" entity, if imbalanced and actively seeking/participating in this type of experience, will attract certain opportune influences which might be less-than-totally-positive (especially if this entity is of a "wandering" background).

What do you mean by "this type of experience"?

Thank you for all the great info! :-D

[Lighthouse]

There are no dangers in astral projection.

The axiom of the projection is: everyone project when sleep, but the most don't do consciously. The "danger" is the same as every time you sleep.

Others books I reccomend:

"Journeys Out of the Body", "Far Journeys" and "Ultimate Journey" by Robert Monroe.
"Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce (complete book with theory and practice).

Observation: the astral projection is totally different of the case when someone is put in negative time/space. Don't worry.

Thanks!

When Ra is asked about what the negative entity could do to Carla while she is in the trance state, Ra replies that the negative entity could kill Carla's physical body and send her mind/body/spirit complex into negative time/space (see OP, referencing 8.6)

Is it your understanding that OBEs are not the same? That when having an astral projection or OBE we are not in a trance state? Or that if it is a trance state, OBEs are not the same thing because we are not doing the same kind of light work that Carla is doing?

69.3 Ra says anyone who leaves third density physical complex is in a vulnerable position when appropriate protection is not at hand. What does Ra mean by appropriate protection?

Also, what does it mean when Ra says that touching Carla would have damaged "the means by which that which you call ectoplasm is being recalled."

In 69.7 Ra says the danger is when one leaves the body to be of service to others. I would want to astral project to learn and grow and be of service to others. So would this qualify? Would I put myself in danger according to Ra?

[Silk]

I'm not sure I know the difference between a casual and serious entity.

Very loosely speaking:

• Casual: most Earth people, spiritually-oriented or not, whether making baby steps or huge strides
  
• Serious: seeking the Infinite (Creator), not particularly swayed by the flurry of tangential illusory phenomena (e.g. OBEs) that inevitably arise in the process
  

What do you mean by "this type of experience"?
Thank you for all the great info! :-D

Self-initiated conscious OBEs during physical sleep

[Infinite]

Is it your understanding that OBEs are not the same? That when having an astral projection or OBE we are not in a trance state? Or that if it is a trance state, OBEs are not the same thing because we are not doing the same kind of light work that Carla is doing?

The last is more close of the reality. Ra explained the question:

69.3 Questioner: Thank you. A question I didn’t get to ask the previous session which I will be forced to continue at this time is, is the trance state the only condition from which a mind/body/spirit positive entity may be lured by a negative adept to a negative time/space configuration?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a misperceived concept. The mind/body/spirit complex which freely leaves the third-density physical complex is vulnerable when the appropriate protection is not at hand. You may perceive carefully that very few entities which choose to leave their physical complexes are doing work of such a nature as to attract the polarized attention of negatively oriented entities. The danger to most in trance state, as you term the physical complex being left, is the touching of the physical complex in such a manner as to attract the mind/body/spirit complex back thereunto or to damage the means by which that which you call ectoplasm is being recalled.

This instrument is an anomaly in that it is well that the instrument not be touched or artificial light thrown upon it while in the trance state. However, the ectoplasmic activity is interiorized. The main difficulty, as you are aware, is then the previously discussed negative removal of the entity under its free will.

That this can happen only in the trance state is not completely certain, but it is highly probable that in another out-of-body experience such as death the entity here examined would, as most positively polarized entities, have a great deal of protection from comrades, guides, and portions of the self which would be aware of the transfer you call the physical death.

69.4 Questioner: Then you are saying that the protective friends, I will call them, would be available in every condition except for what we call the trance state which seems to be anomalistic with respect to the others. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

69.5 Questioner: Why is this trance state, as we call it, different? Why are there not protective entities available in this particular state?

Ra: I am Ra. The uniqueness of this situation is not the lack of friends, for this, as all entities, has its guides or angelic presences and, due to polarization, teachers and friends also. The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve.

This has alerted a much more determined friend of negative polarity which is interested in removing this particular opportunity.

We may say once again two notes: Firstly, we searched long to find an appropriate channel or instrument and an appropriate support group. If this opportunity is ended we shall be grateful for that which has been done, but the possibility/probability vortices indicating the location of this configuration again are slight. Secondly, we thank you for we know what you sacrifice in order to do that which you as a group wish to do.

We will not deplete this instrument insofar as we are able. We have attempted to speak of how the instrument may deplete itself through too great a dedication to the working. All these things and all else we have said has been heard. We are thankful. In the present situation we express thanks to the entities who call themselves Latwii.

69.6 Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental death or suicide, all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail an entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly.

However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self.

69.7 Questioner: Is this also true of unconscious conditions due to accident, or medical anesthetic, or drugs?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that the entity is not attempting to be of service in this particular way which is proceeding now, the entities of negative orientation would not find it possible to remove the mind/body/spirit. The unique characteristic, as we have said, which is, shall we say, dangerous is the willing of the mind/body/spirit complex outward from the physical complex of third density for the purpose of service to others. In any other situation this circumstance would not be in effect.

And also, we go in trance state everyday for few seconds before asleep. We go in trance in meditation as well. The problem is not the trance state, but the use of that.

69.3 Ra says anyone who leaves third density physical complex is in a vulnerable position when appropriate protection is not at hand. What does Ra mean by appropriate protection?

The protection of spirit guides and others. The entity without magical ability must be protected. There are many type of entities helping each person.

Also, what does it mean when Ra says that touching Carla would have damaged "the means by which that which you call ectoplasm is being recalled."

That seems to me some effect upon the energetic aspect of the question. I never read in other sources about, so it's just a assumption.

In 69.7 Ra says the danger is when one leaves the body to be of service to others. I would want to astral project to learn and grow and be of service to others. So would this qualify? Would I put myself in danger according to Ra?

I already did service to others in the case of astral projection (work of fight against STS entities). Here in my country this is commun, we call "extraphysical assistance" which includes battles and healing work. In that case, as I said above, the entity is beyond the state of trance and also, in this "missions" of assistance there are a team of "mentors" leading the operations. For this reason, it's not possible a STS entity remove someone.

[Lighthouse]

Thanks for all the help everyone! Appreciate it! :-)