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I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-02-2014
When I see somebody taking their genuine thoughts, cutting out everything they feel as "impolite" or "improper" and giving me a butchered, suppressed, non-authentic version of their thoughts, I feel like I am talking to a machine. I feel there is no chance of me knowing the person's truest thoughts and self, I feel totally excluded from the potential of an actual relationship and bond with the person.
Does anyone else feel this way?
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - GentleReckoning - 08-03-2014
Yup. Consider referring to them as ken or Barbie.
Or, simply mirror them in exaggerated fashion in the hopes that as they see a caricature if themselves they instead are able to break free of their self imposed restraints. ( something I want to try)
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - third-density-being - 08-03-2014
(08-02-2014, 09:27 PM)Adonai One Wrote: When I see somebody taking their genuine thoughts, cutting out everything they feel as "impolite" or "improper" and giving me a butchered, suppressed, non-authentic version of their thoughts, I feel like I am talking to a machine. I feel there is no chance of me knowing the person's truest thoughts and self, I feel totally excluded from the potential of an actual relationship and bond with the person.
Does anyone else feel this way?
Can You really express a thought with words? I'm not so sure about it. It's like to try to present multidimensional object as flat image.
Even when One has no restrains and do not mind manners, You still have to treat words as symbols and to deduce its true meaning - what they really stands for.
Besides You can express same thing on many different ways (all of course limited as above stated). Therefore to include good manners in your expression is not equal to impoverish range/scope of words symbolical meaning. In that case the only limit is One's imagination.
Different matter is when Someone may want to be treated harshly or is simply used to such treatement - both of Self and to treat in that way Other-Selves.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-03-2014
Is this reality and its words completely disconnected from thought, awareness, the creator?
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Unbound - 08-03-2014
Some people just like to be polite.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Jade - 08-03-2014
I find that I rarely have any other reaction to other selves than politeness, which is actually usually genuine. I find that when I'm actively trying to be contradictory it feels like the more "unnatural" reaction to an event.
I've gotten enough flack in my life for being "too nice" or "fake" or "bubbly" to know that it's not "fake" or insincere or in any way restrained, it's just one way of being among many.
Maybe that's why it's been mostly difficult for people to "bond" with me, and maybe that's also why Q'uo et al. stress that to aim for perfection or to be perceived as perfect is naught but a self-serving goal. It's true that I've had to learn that others viewing me without flaws is not a desired state of being, but even now that I enjoy my "imperfections" and allow myself to make more mistakes, it doesn't make me any less polite when interacting with others.
Miriam Webster:
Quote:po·lite
adjective \pə-ˈlīt\
: having or showing good manners or respect for other people
: socially correct or proper
How dreadful ! !
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - MichaelD - 08-03-2014
A thread about how politeness is disliked by someone and an argument made linking politeness to inefficient transfer of thought? Ha. Now I've truly seen everything. Politeness makes you feel like you are talking to a machine? Really? Politeness arise from emotion, thus meaning politeness is a defining characteristic OF humans. Machines currently have no emotion and therefore no politeness.
Politeness in fact increases the efficiency with which we transfer our thoughts to one another, due again to the fact that we are NOT machines. People have emotion, and if you are rude and disrespectful, the chances of a human listening to you and hearing your words are unlikely.
(Purely hypothetical)
Example 1: A1, you are an a******. Cut the bullshit and start behaving like an adult.
Example 2: Hey A1, I've been noticing you seem a little angry lately and it's affecting others. I can understand if you're going through something, I've been there before. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts with you.
Which of these sounds more 'true'? Which of these will likely be heard by any listener (not just you). Which of these will likely help someone to take a broader view of their own actions and thus instigate a change?
Now it's different if you are speaking for yourself, as you would know what's best for you usually. I'm just sharing a perspective that is backed by years and years of life experience and study of pyschology and anthropology.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-03-2014
I prefer example 1 as it seems to better represent the true emotions and thoughts of the person. The second example looks like a customer service script.
I would listen to statements like example 1 with more interest than with example 2.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - MichaelD - 08-03-2014
I'll keep that in mind for all further correspondence with you. I do want to be as efficient as possible in our communication.
On that note: I think your recent interactions on the forum are largely useless. A giant turd with a few pieces of cubic zirconium stuck about it comes to mind. You fit all current definitions of a troll and seem to thrive on derailing useful conversations. You alone are the reason I no longer recommend these forums to new friends; due mainly to your consistency in creating and defeating strawman arguments and changing topic when it will turn thread interest in your personal direction. You're ego stinks even through my computer. Your current living situation is a perfect example of why the world is in it's current state: laziness and lack of personal responsibility.
Most of all: I'm confident you know all of these things and do it intentionally. Perhaps even a member of the power that be sent to cause dissent in a forum of such light and love. Either that or you are still just a child. Child seems more likely, as it seems you see yourself as the center of the objective universe. If I were to never see another word written by you then it would be far too soon.
Apologies to everyone else reading this. Though now having written this I can definitely see how this would be a far better way to get this across to you than politeness A1. Much love
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-03-2014
Quote:17.30...
The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.
I truly feel loved by you because I can accept you as you are and work towards being of service towards that, rather than accommodating a persona.
You've committed an act of service-to-others, MichaelD. You polarized in this post by accepting yourself. Congrats.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - MichaelD - 08-03-2014
Oh do believe I love you as you are as well. I am grateful for your catalyst. It is also the voice of love that speaks it's own truth to those it sees are suffering.
My perceptions though.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - third-density-being - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 02:48 PM)Adonai One Wrote:Quote:17.30...
The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.
Regarding bolded part in quote You brought up Adonai One:
I am incapable of that at this time and I doubt I will ever be capable of this
I can do my best to Serve Others, but to Open my Self for Other without hesitation is beyond me (I'm afraid).
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - AnthroHeart - 08-03-2014
Opening myself without hesitation would not be very wise. There is a lot that people would judge me for were I completely honest. Even in a social memory complex I would be embarrassed. I've done some pretty wacky things in my life.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 03:54 PM)third-density-being Wrote:Why is that?(08-03-2014, 02:48 PM)Adonai One Wrote:Quote:17.30...
The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.
Regarding bolded part in quote You brought up Adonai One:
I am incapable of that at this time and I doubt I will ever be capable of this
I can do my best to Serve Others, but to Open my Self for Other without hesitation is beyond me (I'm afraid).
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - third-density-being - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 03:59 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(08-03-2014, 03:54 PM)third-density-being Wrote:Why is that?(08-03-2014, 02:48 PM)Adonai One Wrote:Quote:17.30...
The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.
Regarding bolded part in quote You brought up Adonai One:
I am incapable of that at this time and I doubt I will ever be capable of this
I can do my best to Serve Others, but to Open my Self for Other without hesitation is beyond me (I'm afraid).
Because it would be equal with lack of acceptance of me, and in the end - I would be rejected. Besides how can I open my self without hesitation to someone, who takes pleasure in mocking/ridiculing me? To someone, who "grows" when is able to diminish me? Undoable.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - Adonai One - 08-03-2014
In that mocking, you would be able to accept that person as they are and aid them towards what they desire, inevitably desiring unity. The path is full of mystery but when we know another in moments such as that, we are able to work with them as a team towards unity but it requires being conscious of all that we desire so that we may then inevitably desire all things as infinity.
RE: I genuinely do not prefer politeness - GentleReckoning - 08-03-2014
You need a really strong foundation of the lower triad to open yourself up honestly. As the lower 3 support the heart and further the throat for honest communication, it's a pretty straightforward path. Without the foundation of the lower 3, you can get honest communication with others, but it will always push your orange pretty hard and will destroy your yellow ray. The red ray is simply strengthened as fears are challenged and desire is expressed towards others without fear of personal harm.
For whatever reason, I went from the heart to the throat without any of the requisite lower ray work. I got much value from it, but am just now re-attempting the work that I began about a year ago.