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2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - Plenum - 06-26-2014 the following Q'uo passage expands upon what Ra referred to as the 'putting on' and the 'taking off' of the magical personality for dedicated spiritual work. Quote:75.36 Questioner: How does the use of the magical ritual of invoking the magical personality aid the mind/body/spirit complex totality? Could you expand on the answer you gave in the last session with respect to that? when one invokes the magical personality, it feels like one is beyond the world, and above it, and indeed, that Higher Self perspective indeed is all encompassing. The Higher Self is 'us', and yet we are also part of an incarnational nexus, and so that state cannot be maintained; It is the paradox of existing simultaneously, the Higher Self complete and in no need of learning; the incarnated personality having chose a complete set of distortions through which to experience and to gain biases and develop. The two positions co-exist, and can co-overlap for a period, but the respective qualities of each position much indeed be respected, and the appropriate use made of each (of the incarnated self, and the completed Higher Self). http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2008/2008_1025.aspx Q'uo Wrote:Q'uo: The initiatory experience of which those of Ra spoke was part of the long period of training in which initiates learned how to be those who could heal or, rather, could open themselves up as instruments for healing. Taken out of context, it would seem that there is the goal of remaining in the Queen’s-Chamber-position attitude at all times. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - Parsons - 06-30-2014 Quote:Both the priest and the judge have many large books which they must study on the way to receiving their robes of office. The seeker has none. He is the book he must read. And it is the work of many years to begin to be able to read the book of self. So poignant... and cathartic for me. For a huge chunk of my life I was so damn worried about what I would do for my career. Everyone was(is) trying to force me into getting a fancy degree with some institution. I decided a few years ago that my path of Seeking was going to be the primary centerpiece of this incarnation. It is pretty much impossible to explain that to someone who does not seek or have any concept of the value of seeking. I am grateful to see my path validated in the above Q'uote. Thanks for sharing. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - third-density-being - 07-27-2014 (06-26-2014, 03:34 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: the following Q'uo passage expands upon what Ra referred to as the 'putting on' and the 'taking off' of the magical personality for dedicated spiritual work. First of all Thank You Plenum for quoting/sharing this. I have to admit, that untill now I didn't gave much consideration to Q'uo's Words. You made me re-evaluated my attitude with this quote. I've quoted in my post that what I do not understand. I understand such workinf with "magical personality" as healing, channeling or teaching. But to do that when One is: Quote:(...) inspired by that which has been read in a book or heard in a lecture (...) - I don't quite get. I thought "Work" with magical personality is of "magical" nature. Futhermore I was wondering what others "magical workings" may be done in such profound state? For me personally activity of "Learning" would be most desirable (as I have a LOT of learning to do). I'm curious what are your thoughts on this. And once again Thank You for this fascinating quote. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - Plenum - 07-28-2014 Hi Simon, I assume in the quote given that that is one of the beneficial uses of 3d catalyst offered to the 6d personality. The Higher Self, is, in effect, already complete, but the movement of the current (incompleted) self can take place through the considered use of experience. I think when the magical personality is invoked (as per Ra's quote), then the time/space bridge is made real (as in deep sleep and dreaming) and the tools of the unconscious can be applied to what has been experienced in the conscious waking world. It is almost like a much higher-rated CPU or processor that can crunch through the data more quickly and efficaciously than just the limited conscious 3d mind. It is still 'us' that is experiencing and utilising the 3d catalyst, but it is employing a vaster set of resources to tackle the issue; much like if one doesn't know the answer to a normal question, you either google it or pose it to the forums. We can always get answers or solutions to personal catalyst by either trying to figure it all out on this side of the Veil, or by employing a fuller component of the Self. The one tool that is most readily available to us is through the process of nightly dreaming. That also establishes the time/space bridge through the Veil, and the tools of the unconscious are applied to unused conscious experiences, and the feedback takes place in the form of dream narratives and symbolism. That is feedback to the self on how to proceed/learn. - - as for the Higher Self being invoked in a deep state of meditation, I think this has similiar effects/benefits to the dream narrative, with the possible advantage that recall of the experience might be more accurate, given the fact that the conscious mind is aware. - - as for the actual 'Work' of the Higher Self, I think these all have to do with the examination of the self. The process of spiritual evolution is the movement of the mind/body/spirit complex towards the state of the Higher Self. through understanding of the Self comes healing, and once the self is healed, then one can then be a living embodiment of those understandings, and offer the possibility of those completed patterns ('understandings') to others; either explicity through communication, or just by one's presence, which will be experienced by the other-self as being in the space of something very harmonious, accepting, gracious, and non-judgemental. This alternate viewpoint of 'healing' is that of the integrated self at the mental level; as opposed to the physical (which will always reflect that state of mind), or the spiritual (whose fields are largely undistorted, and are just waiting for the opportunity to be called and employed by the mind complex of the entity). RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - third-density-being - 07-28-2014 Hello Plenum, Thank You for your reply. (07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: I assume in the quote given that that is one of the beneficial uses of 3d catalyst offered to the 6d personality. First of all, your grasp of "Catalyst" is always amazing for me. I am truly crawling in this subject. I'm at verge of really understanding concept of Catalyst in my day-to-day life. I've notice that it changes my reactions to that what happens in my life. Instead of impatience or anger, I can take "step back" and look at things from far greater perspective - almost as of out of this density perspective (at least that's what I feel often lately). Secondly, as I'm thinking of it, I don't even know what I could "ask" my Higher Self. I thing "contact" with "It" alone would be extremely profound for me - to be able to experience Self as boundless consciousness. As far as I can remember I was meeting/experiencing boundaries of Self, and for the most part it was not a "constructive experience". So much have changed since I've opened my Self to Ra's Teachings and met Other-Selves that Share this Openness. (07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: The one tool that is most readily available to us is through the process of nightly dreaming. That also establishes the time/space bridge through the Veil, and the tools of the unconscious are applied to unused conscious experiences, and the feedback takes place in the form of dream narratives and symbolism. That is feedback to the self on how to proceed/learn. I'm very incapable of interpreting symbolism. Due to my mind approach (which is not "forced" - it is simply the way I process things/Beings/Self) I'm quite literal in understanding and communication. That's also reason why I'm afraid that I will not recognize important/profound things/happenings/events in Self. As far as I know I might already experienced attempts of communications with my Self, but ignored them due to perceiving them as inexplicable/ambiguous/opaque/indefinite/trivial. More and more I can see, that my mind is in same degree Great Help as Great Constraint. I'm looking for ways to "cope with Self" that do not involve my mind, but as he/it is my only point of reference, I have truly no idea how to proceed. (07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: as for the Higher Self being invoked in a deep state of meditation, I think this has similar effects/benefits to the dream narrative, with the possible advantage that recall of the experience might be more accurate, given the fact that the conscious mind is aware. This is most fascinating for me - to be conscious of such "Event". At this point I would like to write, that since yesterday, when I first read your quotes of Q'uo, I was thinking a lot of this parts: (06-26-2014, 03:34 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:Q'uo Wrote:(...) To abandon Our current/earthly/third density Self and to open to the divine. I can't explain it, but it spoke to me deeply and I understood/understand a lot thanks to those words. Even my yesterday meditation was different from all I've done before - much deeper and with much more calmness within my Self. I'm not sure how to explain it - I think It allowed me to look at my "current Self" from greater perspective. Until now I always thought that meditation and "spiritual work" is something that I am doing. Now I can see more clearly that my "I" in this density is a relative (poor in fact) grasp of my true Beingness. Also metaphor of "priest robes" appealed to me significantly. Both above mentioned things were/are a Great aid to my Understanding. That's why I thanked You so much (07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: as for the actual 'Work' of the Higher Self, I think these all have to do with the examination of the self. The process of spiritual evolution is the movement of the mind/body/spirit complex towards the state of the Higher Self. I've never "felt" my Spiritual side - at least not since I'm grown, fully conscious man. I'm seeking my Spirit with Great desire of experiencing it. And yet, I have same concern, as stated previously - that I may/might not recognize it at all. I have no point of reference in this field - at all. I don't even know how/what to ask about that. Also, I do realize that I have a lot of "integration" to do, as in some spheres I feel strongly "compartmented". Looking at it as "Healing" is helpful, as it endow this process with strong, positive connotations. In the past I've perceived "work with Self" as "process that require force-based action". Now I understand that Love and Acceptance are Key Factor in all that. Once again, Thank You Plenum for your Words. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - AnthroHeart - 07-28-2014 I don't feel like I have access to universal knowledge when I'm dreaming. I'm still as confused as awake. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - भाव - 07-29-2014 (07-27-2014, 07:47 PM)third-density-being Wrote:(06-26-2014, 03:34 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: the following Q'uo passage expands upon what Ra referred to as the 'putting on' and the 'taking off' of the magical personality for dedicated spiritual work. I will point out that I use an uncut diamond on a very old, and meaningful, gold chain to invoke the magical personality. To use an item like this in such a way is like using a talisman (which is what I define it as). The unique method of my crystal being charged and the proper, and personal, ritual being used brings about the magic personality. I can only define the state as Ra defines connecting to intelligent infinity. A sense of wholness, connectedness, and an even more powerful sense of love and knowing. Holding the state may be difficult, in the extreme, at first. If properly trained and disciplined, with the true intent of service, one could perform miraculous doings - which to the adept in this state those things such as "miracle healing" are commonplace. RE: 2008.10.25 putting on and taking off the magical personality - GentleReckoning - 07-29-2014 A1 needs to post in this thread. |