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2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Lighthead - 06-19-2014
I would say that this definitely falls under the category of thesis. How it relates to me personally is hard to say (more on that later) since the veil that's in effect makes it so hard to see my past lifetimes, but I feel like I'm glad that I at least got the general concept down.
I've been, in my own way, pouring over the transcripts. I basically got inspired from one of the last posters on my last thread (also my first thread). There was one thing that Q'uo mentioned that I saw a while back, but that I came back to later after inspiration hit me. And I just want to say to any moderator, that if you feel that I'm going above and beyond what you feel the Law of One's message is, then feel free to delete this. I just have come to the stark conclusion that this is what I identify as.
But anyway, here's the Q'uote that inspired this thesis:
Quote:As to what occurs if wanderers do not wake up. They, like all of the human tribe, walk the steps of light. If they have learned the lessons of love in this incarnation, they are free to move on. And if so, they may choose to go back to their native density. If they have instead remained asleep within this incarnation, then they shall have a refresher course in third-density living, moving with others who have not graduated to fourth density to another planet where they shall once again become students in third density’s refinery of souls.
In either case, all is well. You have all the time in the universe to move through all natural energies and rhythms back to the Creator, who is waiting for you with great delight. And you do not wish to return too soon. For the Creator wishes to know of the fullness of your experiences, your feelings, and your emotions. That is the harvest that you bring to the Creator. Whatever it is, he will love it and you, now and forever. July 31, 2007
My theory after thinking about this quote is that there are some individuals that most probably are wanderers that stay on a third-density planet unpolarized for as many lifetimes as possible so as to progress spiritually as much as possible. These entities of course also share light/love, love/light to the planets that they are on since their true spiritual density is very much progressed and essentially benefit the planet because of their intense spirituality (most likely depending on how many master cycles they've spent on whichever planet they happen to be on at any given time).
My feeling is that I am one of these. I don't know for how long, though. I would say that a characteristic of these entities is an intense aversion to polarize (which I feel). In my experience as this, I wouldn't mind polarizing positively, but I just don't feel an inclination to do this in any practical way.
I know that I might get people saying, well, don't people find it hard to polarize, normally? I think that that is true, but I've been into the Ra material for about half a year now, and I'm embarassed to say that as far as the Choice goes, I have no inclination to polarize either positively or negatively. I see the merit in both as well as the folly. I personally feel that this is a built-in impediment that I've programmed for myself in this lifetime.
But there's another reason that I choose not to focus so intently on polarizing. I sort of alluded to it when I gave the description of what I choose to call a third-density "walker" (as opposed to a walk-in, or a wanderer from somewhere else). I truly do see the benefit in the amount of catalyst that is to be had here in third-density, and I see the benefit in using this catalyst over a long period to grow in light if not love.
Another thing too is that even if you were to repeat 15 intense major cycles of third-density, that would be significantly less than millions of years of spiritual stagnation in the "etiolated realms" of the higher densities.
I feel a real sense of meaning from identifying as a third-density walker of Earths such as this one. I'd like to know what anybody thinks about this. Does anybody identify as this? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
RE: Third-density "Walker" - spero - 06-19-2014
there are wanderers that do nothing but take long stints in 3d. i believe they dont even really need to worry about polarizing to be able to return to their home density at the end of it all. its not that they cant polarize just that its lost its importance in the relative scheme of things. they arent trying to escape 3d like its some sort of prison, but are here cause they prefer its conditions or have a particular use for its environment. one thing they might avoid though is becoming karmically entangled. the attempt to polarize positively when misguided can result in a fair deal of infringement. if i were such a wanderer incarnating around the time of harvest knowing id be bombarded with messages to polarize id probably program an intense aversion to polarizing either way just because a) its not necessary cause i already passed and b) im more likely to do more harm in my zealotry and naivety than any actual good.
Quote:Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is completed the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Plenum - 06-19-2014
mod note: thread moved to Sessions in Focus subforum, and thread title edited to add Q'uo Session date.
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Hi Lighthead!
(06-19-2014, 01:54 AM)Lighthead Wrote: My feeling is that I am one of these. I don't know for how long, though. I would say that a characteristic of these entities is an intense aversion to polarize (which I feel). In my experience as this, I wouldn't mind polarizing positively, but I just don't feel an inclination to do this in any practical way.
I know that I might get people saying, well, don't people find it hard to polarize, normally? I think that that is true, but I've been into the Ra material for about half a year now, and I'm embarassed to say that as far as the Choice goes, I have no inclination to polarize either positively or negatively. I see the merit in both as well as the folly. I personally feel that this is a built-in impediment that I've programmed for myself in this lifetime.
my sense is that in reading both the Ra Material and the Q'uo Sessions, it helps to inform our experience and to make sense of it, but that one should not feel compelled to polarise or take service-to-others action in any way. That kind of impulse can only spring from the heart, and be driven as an internal process (motivation), and not through a sense of guilt, or lack, or not 'doing one's job'.
I think it's also a deeper truth that because of the clouding influence of the Veil, even though we might think that we are not polarising or serving, we might actually be, in our own way, engaging in those activities but not able to recognise them as such because of certain preconceptions of what 'polarising' or 'service' constitutes.
but thanks for bringing this topic up!; as it goes to the heart of who we think we are, and what we are doing here during this incarnation.
Plenum
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Steppingfeet - 06-19-2014
(06-19-2014, 01:54 AM)Lighthead Wrote: My feeling is that I am one of these. I don't know for how long, though. I would say that a characteristic of these entities is an intense aversion to polarize (which I feel). In my experience as this, I wouldn't mind polarizing positively, but I just don't feel an inclination to do this in any practical way.
Hey Lighthead,
Interesting and honest post. No cause for offering it up for deletion!
In attempting to understand your position, I would like to query further if I may. No problem if you're not interested. Just ignore in that case.
Do you reflect on yourself and see an interest in growth? By growth I mean: desire to learn, desire to know yourself more deeply, desire to understand others/the world/the universe.
Do you perceive that there are greater levels of understanding and experience beyond your current position?
Also, presuming you suffer, how do you relate to your own suffering?
And how do you relate to the suffering of others?
With love and light,
Gary
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Lighthead - 06-19-2014
(06-19-2014, 10:20 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Do you reflect on yourself and see an interest in growth? By growth I mean: desire to learn, desire to know yourself more deeply, desire to understand others/the world/the universe.
Do you perceive that there are greater levels of understanding and experience beyond your current position?
Also, presuming you suffer, how do you relate to your own suffering?
And how do you relate to the suffering of others?
With love and light,
Gary
I definitely do have a desire to learn, and know myself deeply and all the things that you mentioned. I, however, would prefer to do it at my own pace. I feel like trying to polarize too hard is too traumatic to the soul.
You asked if I perceive that there are greater levels of understanding and experience beyond my current position. I do get a deep sense of that, but it's sort of hard to see the nuts and bolts of it because of the veil I presume.
The penultimate questions in the second to the last block I sort of don't understand. I suffer like anyone else being human and all. I relate to my own suffering with deep compassion for my human existence.
The last question: I feel bad when others suffer, but I can't stand that sappy superficial concern that people pretend to have for others. In other words, I hate it when people don't back up their concern with actions. I would give this advice to people who do this (not you, of course), if you're all talk, don't even say anything in the first place. It lacks meaning if you're not going to do anything about it.
I hope that answers your questions.
To Bring 4th_Plenum and Spero, I really enjoyed your posts! There's nothing I can add to them. Very informative.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Lighthead - 06-19-2014
By analyzing your questions, I almost get the sense that you're trying to figure out under my premise if I've repeated many 3rd-density cycles. I personally don't think so. I think that people that have are Christ or Buddha types. I don't have any miraculous healing abilities, miraculous knowing, or a miraculous ability to achieve oneness. That said, I'm not saying that Christ or Buddha are 3rd-density "walkers." I'm just saying that it would be easier to be like them if one were to have repeated many cycles of 3rd-density.
This is to Bring 4th_GLB.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Steppingfeet - 06-25-2014
(06-19-2014, 12:26 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I definitely do have a desire to learn, and know myself deeply and all the things that you mentioned. I, however, would prefer to do it at my own pace. I feel like trying to polarize too hard is too traumatic to the soul.
You asked if I perceive that there are greater levels of understanding and experience beyond my current position. I do get a deep sense of that, but it's sort of hard to see the nuts and bolts of it because of the veil I presume.
Hey Lighthead,
Sorry for the slow reply. I have to squeak in time to be able to participate here. Thanks for your reply!
I was asking regarding your desire for learning/growth/progress because the Confederation philosophy asserts that there are only two possible roads for evolution in this density of experience. They use the terms service to other and service to self as attempted means to describe these two roads.
So to grow, to evolve, to learn, to increase the vibration, to move onto the next phase/level/chapter after your journey is, necessarily, to polarize. Polarity cannot be avoided for the growing soul, whatever the rate or pace of their evolution.
Well, according to the Law of One philosophy, that is. You, of course, don't have to conceive of your life in terms of polarity, or ever make reference to "service to others" or "service to self" once. : )
But, *according to this information*, if you grow, you polarize.
I'm not saying that this information is ultimately right, just highlighting what it says.
(06-19-2014, 12:26 PM)Lighthead Wrote: The penultimate questions in the second to the last block I sort of don't understand. I suffer like anyone else being human and all. I relate to my own suffering with deep compassion for my human existence.
The last question: I feel bad when others suffer,...
I asked the question about suffering because ones answer is indicative (though not final or definitive) of their own polarity. According to the way you responded, your basic orientation seems to match or coincide with those of positive polarity.
Again, that's fine if you don't use those terms, or perceive that you are not polarizing. (I couldn't tell you what your polarity was even if you made use of the terminology.)
I am just helping to build a bridge, or illuminate where your experience matches or meets with this philosophy.
(06-19-2014, 09:14 PM)Lighthead Wrote: By analyzing your questions, I almost get the sense that you're trying to figure out under my premise if I've repeated many 3rd-density cycles.
Oh, no, not at all. Establishing the length of time your soul has spent in this density, and whether your origins are located in a higher density, is wholly beyond my considerable powers.
(06-19-2014, 09:14 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I don't have any miraculous healing abilities, miraculous knowing, or a miraculous ability to achieve oneness.
Ah, you're in good company, then. : )
If I may note: the paradox of the situation is that we don't "achieve" oneness, we are already one. All we do is to drop the illusory notion that we are not one. I'm working on that one...
With love/light,
Gary
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Patrick - 06-28-2014
(06-19-2014, 01:54 AM)Lighthead Wrote: ...My theory after thinking about this quote is that there are some individuals that most probably are wanderers that stay on a third-density planet unpolarized for as many lifetimes as possible so as to progress spiritually as much as possible...
Possible, but then there is this from Q’uo.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1016.aspx Wrote:...this density that you call Planet Earth, the third density, the third grade, shall we say, in this school of souls, is one in which you can attempt to linger forever, but you shall not succeed. For you shall learn, no matter how slowly, no matter against what resistance...
(06-25-2014, 05:19 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: ...to drop the illusory notion that we are not one. I'm working on that one...
We're all working on that one!
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - AnthroHeart - 06-28-2014
(06-28-2014, 01:44 PM)Patrick Wrote:(06-19-2014, 01:54 AM)Lighthead Wrote: ...My theory after thinking about this quote is that there are some individuals that most probably are wanderers that stay on a third-density planet unpolarized for as many lifetimes as possible so as to progress spiritually as much as possible...
Possible, but then there is this from Q’uo.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1016.aspx Wrote:...this density that you call Planet Earth, the third density, the third grade, shall we say, in this school of souls, is one in which you can attempt to linger forever, but you shall not succeed. For you shall learn, no matter how slowly, no matter against what resistance...
I don't see how you can spiritually advance without leaving 3D. Being stuck in 3D forever sounds like a drag, if that were at all possible and if the Ra material is correct about the densities.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Patrick - 06-28-2014
(06-28-2014, 04:30 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(06-28-2014, 01:44 PM)Patrick Wrote:(06-19-2014, 01:54 AM)Lighthead Wrote: ...My theory after thinking about this quote is that there are some individuals that most probably are wanderers that stay on a third-density planet unpolarized for as many lifetimes as possible so as to progress spiritually as much as possible...
Possible, but then there is this from Q’uo.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1016.aspx Wrote:...this density that you call Planet Earth, the third density, the third grade, shall we say, in this school of souls, is one in which you can attempt to linger forever, but you shall not succeed. For you shall learn, no matter how slowly, no matter against what resistance...
I don't see how you can spiritually advance without leaving 3D. Being stuck in 3D forever sounds like a drag, if that were at all possible and if the Ra material is correct about the densities.
Anything you do or think that is based on faith alone is advancing you spiritually. If down here, without any proof, you really can believe that Love is all there is, then this has real impact on your whole self, not just the part of you that is incarnated here.
Just the intent to want to see love in the moment is enough, you do not actually have to succeed. In fact we are not expected to succeed.
Everything everyone does is sacred. All moments are sacramental in their very nature.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Lighthead - 07-01-2014
(06-25-2014, 05:19 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: I was asking regarding your desire for learning/growth/progress because the Confederation philosophy asserts that there are only two possible roads for evolution in this density of experience. They use the terms service to other and service to self as attempted means to describe these two roads.
So to grow, to evolve, to learn, to increase the vibration, to move onto the next phase/level/chapter after your journey is, necessarily, to polarize. Polarity cannot be avoided for the growing soul, whatever the rate or pace of their evolution.
Well, according to the Law of One philosophy, that is. You, of course, don't have to conceive of your life in terms of polarity, or ever make reference to "service to others" or "service to self" once. : )
But, *according to this information*, if you grow, you polarize.
I'm not saying that this information is ultimately right, just highlighting what it says.
(06-19-2014, 12:26 PM)Lighthead Wrote: The penultimate questions in the second to the last block I sort of don't understand. I suffer like anyone else being human and all. I relate to my own suffering with deep compassion for my human existence.
The last question: I feel bad when others suffer,...
I asked the question about suffering because ones answer is indicative (though not final or definitive) of their own polarity. According to the way you responded, your basic orientation seems to match or coincide with those of positive polarity.
Again, that's fine if you don't use those terms, or perceive that you are not polarizing. (I couldn't tell you what your polarity was even if you made use of the terminology.)
I am just helping to build a bridge, or illuminate where your experience matches or meets with this philosophy.
As regards what you've wrote here. I'm sort of in the same boat as you are. I also believe that I may be polarizing service-to-others. I'm just not going to stress out if I die and I realize that I haven't polarized enough and I have to repeat 3rd density. I would see it as more of an opportunity to use the intense catalyst here on 3rd density to grow further as a soul (more soul experience).
(06-19-2014, 09:14 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I don't have any miraculous healing abilities, miraculous knowing, or a miraculous ability to achieve oneness.
(06-25-2014, 05:19 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Ah, you're in good company, then. : )
Haha. Good one.
(06-25-2014, 05:19 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: If I may note: the paradox of the situation is that we don't "achieve" oneness, we are already one. All we do is to drop the illusory notion that we are not one. I'm working on that one...
With love/light,
Gary
You're right. That's actually what I meant to say.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - AnthroHeart - 07-01-2014
(07-01-2014, 05:48 PM)Lighthead Wrote: As regards what you've wrote here. I'm sort of in the same boat as you are. I also believe that I may be polarizing service-to-others. I'm just not going to stress out if I die and I realize that I haven't polarized enough and I have to repeat 3rd density. I would see it as more of an opportunity to use the intense catalyst here on 3rd density to grow further as a soul (more soul experience).
I probably won't stress out either if I have to repeat 3D, but I will probably be a little disappointed. But I've heard it said that this life does little for overall polarization. Probably that we have parallel lives in which we do as well. I do what I can do. I don't fear walking the steps of light. I'm going to welcome the love and light of Creator. Even if it is hot like a sun.
(06-28-2014, 10:17 PM)Patrick Wrote: Everything everyone does is sacred. All moments are sacramental in their very nature.
That is hard to remember most of the time, but is a very good point and teaching you bring. I sometimes see the sacramental nature of all things. Those are precious moments, so few in number.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Lighthead - 07-01-2014
Quote:Qu'o:
And this density that you call Planet Earth, the third density, the third grade, shall we say, in this school of souls, is one in which you can attempt to linger forever, but you shall not succeed. For you shall learn, no matter how slowly, no matter against what resistance. Your choices are involved in whether or not you wish to accelerate the pace of your evolution in mind, body and spirit, and you are fully capable of this work.
Here's the rest of the quote that you didn't add. Note that it says forever. I'm not implying that one would be able to stay here forever.
But I do appreciate that quote, because it confirms what I thought. It confirms that 3rd density does allow you to learn at an increased rate, no matter what your density.
Thanks for quoting that. I really appreciate it.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - ascension scout - 07-18-2014
(06-28-2014, 10:17 PM)Patrick Wrote: Anything you do or think that is based on faith alone is advancing you spiritually. If down here, without any proof, you really can believe that Love is all there is, then this has real impact on your whole self, not just the part of you that is incarnated here.
Just the intent to want to see love in the moment is enough, you do not actually have to succeed. In fact we are not expected to succeed.
Everything everyone does is sacred. All moments are sacramental in their very nature.
Real talk. Those words sing to me.
Lighthead, I don't have any miraculous powers, healing/knowing or otherwise. Heck, I haven't even had(or recognized) any miraculous experiences! For me this lifetime is a exercise in faith. A path that I must tread down with optimism/positivity without the benefit of any outer validation or affirmation.
Just chill knowing you have infinity to progress. No rush
"It is not the apparent magnitude of the service that we are concerned with in learning. It is only the attitude and the intention." -Oxal
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - AnthroHeart - 07-18-2014
I've had experiences that tell me there is something more than what our physical senses pick up. Perhaps a whole lot more.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - manniz - 07-24-2014
Lighthead, thanks for bringing this unique topic to light. Third density has a lot of beauty and creativity to offer alongwith the intensity. A solid practical thread with great observations.
RE: 2007.07.31 Third-density "Walker" - Nuria Luz - 09-21-2014
Hi, I recentlly subscrive to this forum and in the first searches I bump into a thread that descrives a way of thinking about polarity like mine! Great, because I was beginning to feel a bit weird! ;-)
I have a very similar feeling about polarising, very much like the one you have descrived, Lighthead.
I do feel love towards people in general (and animals), sometimes like a light cloud that sorrounds me and sometimes strong and intensely. It pains me when I see suffering, knowing that you can learn the very same lessons the easy or the hard way.
But I have a strange feeling at the time of "helping" or doing anything to alleviate that suffering. I feel that almost everytime the only thing I can really do for other-selves is stand and support them in silence or nothing at all.
Many times I sense that there are not many things I can do for them, that most of the things that are done to "help" can have the effect of robing that person of their so much needed learning. It's a bit like doing the homework of your kids for them. They will never learn!
Of course, I'm not letting anyone bleed to death if I see an accident! Or if I am asked something specific.
But maybe I am not here to be of help in many practical or visible ways. I don't know really.
I'm happy anyway, helping or not.
Love everybody!!
