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Gender breakdown in seekers - seek - 05-30-2014
I wanted to ask if others see a somewhat lopsided breakdown in genders in general in seekers of truth? I myself have noticed that guys by far out number the ladies in this arena. The only place I have seen a significant number of lady seekers is in my local Law of Attraction group here in Austin. For whatever reason, youtube is also full of ladies discussing Ayahuasca trips and how they achieved some level of enlightenment.
Yes men are usually physically stronger than women and our brains are more efficient at focused thought process (single minded) but women are far superior at multi-tasking thought process (multi-minded). Aside from these differences, I feel it has been pretty established that we do not differ in ability (intelligence, motivation, whatever) so what is it that drives more men to ask the types of questions to achieve some level of understanding of the universe/creation?
Does this illusion cater to women more? Are they generally happier in their slumber than men? If so, why?
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - AnthroHeart - 05-30-2014
The ones with psychic gifts I have seen mainly have been women. It seems in many areas they're more intuitive.
I guess this site has more guys. Not sure.
I have seen a few Salvia videos with guys on Youtube. Some women too, but it seems that guys are more experimental.
With channeling it seems to be evenly split.
I'm not sure how happy I'd be in my slumber since I've awakened somewhat. But most of the time it's cool. I don't seek as hard as some people though. I've been through the Dark Night of the Soul a few times. But I've never experienced enlightenment nor nirvana. I'm a male by the way.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - reeay - 05-30-2014
Would be careful about making conclusions based on merely one's observation of representation within socially oriented venues such as forums and whatnot. i could say, men need this type of venue to overly intellectualize spirituality lol and I'd probably be over-generalizing.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Bring4th_Austin - 05-30-2014
Here's some relevant statistics from the L/L Research Facebook page:
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This certainly isn't indicative of spiritual seeking in general, because even among spiritual seekers, the material we share is well on the fringe. Facebook will tell you the percentage each age/gender group claims for all of Facebook. Those numbers are skewed slightly towards the male in most areas, but a rather negligible amount given these figures.
I think it's interesting. There are 4 times as many young males than females ages 18-24, twice as many males ages 25-34. At age 35-44, the figures even out, and then at 45, women start to outnumber men.
It has made me ask myself: is this an age difference, or a generational difference? Is it more likely that women 44+ appreciate the Law of One because they're more in to the New Age kind of movement than the men of their generation? Do men tend to lose their interest in this stuff as they get older, or have those men never been interested? Is the gender disparity because of a cultural shift or is it a natural progression of a lifetime?
Outside of the L/L Research context, it is not my experience that men generally outnumber women as seekers, but my experience there is limited.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - seek - 05-30-2014
(05-30-2014, 08:01 PM)reeay Wrote: Would be careful about making conclusions based on merely one's observation of representation within socially oriented venues such as forums and whatnot. i could say, men need this type of venue to overly intellectualize spirituality lol and I'd probably be over-generalizing.
Aha, good point! And no conclusions made here, only questions (if that was directed at me). It has been my experience that women are extremely social creatures (usually more so than men) so why would this not extend to their spirituality if this was the cause?
Gemini Wolf Wrote:The ones with psychic gifts I have seen mainly have been women. It seems in many areas they're more intuitive.
Totally agree here. Good point.
I must admit that when I stated 'this arena' I was not referring to Bring4th message boards but spiritual seeking in general. That was somewhat confusing how I wrote it. Sorry. :-)
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - reeay - 05-30-2014
(05-30-2014, 08:21 PM)seek Wrote:(05-30-2014, 08:01 PM)reeay Wrote: Would be careful about making conclusions based on merely one's observation of representation within socially oriented venues such as forums and whatnot. i could say, men need this type of venue to overly intellectualize spirituality lol and I'd probably be over-generalizing.
Aha, good point! And no conclusions made here, only questions (if that was directed at me). It has been my experience that women are extremely social creatures (usually more so than men) so why would this not extend to their spirituality if this was the cause?
Women have been wired biologically and socialized for bonding but we can do that outside of online forums or in many other venues like yoga class or whatnot. I am assuming you are man here? Perhaps you have not had invitation to goddess gatherings (lol)
Let's begin w/ asking questions:
What is spirituality and spiritual seeking? Is there a clear gender difference in how spirituality seeking is approached?
Ken Wilber talks about agape and eros - the 2 ways in which spiritual seeking may occur. The feminine way being 'love until it hurts' and the masculine way being sitting-in-front-of-a-wall-and-meditating. If a woman is seeking by loving until it hurts - spiritual seeking may come in a form of personal relationships or child rearing or relationship w/ herself - whatever it is. It's more personal perhaps. The masculine way then is more about techniques and technical form. Some specific practice.
So there may be different ways to seek but I am not sure whether women seek more or less. If Ken Wilber's theory is correct, women's seeking occurs in more everyday, personal ways.
Added: I'm assuming females are apt to follow the feminine way of seeking which is 'love-until-it-hurts' approach
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - AnthroHeart - 05-30-2014
My mom and I seek about the same, but I follow the Law of One where she doesn't. We both believe in life after death, and spirit guides and such. She watches Oprah's Soul Sunday series. My seeking of the Creator is usually done through sending love out into the world, or meditating.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - BrownEye - 05-30-2014
Men generally have a problem with being overly analytical (left brained). This translates into seeking answers for what is not set in stone in attempts to make logical sense and 'set things in stone' for the ego.
Women in general have better links to intuition (right brained), allowing for more of an inner "knowing" without the analytical drive.
The stats are fairly logical.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - seek - 05-31-2014
(05-30-2014, 10:59 PM)BrownEye Wrote: Men generally have a problem with being overly analytical (left brained). This translates into seeking answers for what is not set in stone in attempts to make logical sense and 'set things in stone' for the ego.
Women in general have better links to intuition (right brained), allowing for more of an inner "knowing" without the analytical drive.
The stats are fairly logical.
Well said.
BTW, does sitting in front of a wall really help when meditating? I'll have to try that.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Melissa - 05-31-2014
(05-30-2014, 10:59 PM)BrownEye Wrote: Men generally have a problem with being overly analytical (left brained). This translates into seeking answers for what is not set in stone in attempts to make logical sense and 'set things in stone' for the ego.
Women in general have better links to intuition (right brained), allowing for more of an inner "knowing" without the analytical drive.
The stats are fairly logical.
Yep, I'd have to agree. Though I'd say that holds true for the masculine and feminine aspects, which can be different (in terms of balancing) for both men and women. But it's indeed generally the case as you've described it. And I don't know how this works for other women (or men) but there are times when I can't explain my intuition or 'knowing', but I've come to trust it more than anything. I think it's an important tool that's well worth listening to.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Phoenix - 05-31-2014
Post deleted (Sorry if that feels rude. I would delete my post if I could).
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - reeay - 05-31-2014
Facing the wall & meditating is practiced by some zen practitioners. A techique. Structured and technical. lol masculine sounds nerdy, and feminine so woo woo. Ra would prob call for a balanced use of thinking/feeling and thinking/intuition. Balanced person might not fit our stereotypes bc they integrate use of both approaches appropriately. This is like balanced use of lymbic system and prefrontal cortex for optimal decision making during a catalyst.
I'm more analytical now but I was hyper intuitive before.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - isis - 05-31-2014
(05-31-2014, 05:52 AM)Phoenix Wrote: Post deleted (Sorry if that feels rude. I would delete my post if I could).For some odd reason, the mods refuse to delete 'post deleted' posts (unless you ask them to) - even if it's the last post in the thread for an extended period of time.
Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:Hi isis,
Yeah, I agree with you that when you are on the 'View Today's Posts' page, and there's a new reply, you sort of hit that link in some sort of excitement, ready to experience some sort of huge insight in reading someone else's thoughts on some matter.
And then when you get there, you find that someone has changed their mind, and put a big <redacted> message in place of their thoughts.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - darklight - 05-31-2014
Are males more STS orientated than females?
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - reeay - 05-31-2014
(05-31-2014, 10:56 AM)darklight Wrote: Are males more STS orientated than females?
When we ruthlessly smother you in bed, you will not even know what's coming to you jk
Empathy is a required thing for maternity/motherhood so women do have very strong desire for empathy. Perhaps due to socialization this is a reinforced trait. When empathy is controlled we are effectively channeling all 'energy' to our frontal lobe where we withhold emotions for analysis. Psychopaths have that ability to switch-off empathy, so you can be male or female to do so. Males are rather socialized to switch off emotions so they can be more analytical. Makes bit sense why there are more mass murderers and publicly documented psychopathy among men, but women are totally capable of this depending on distortion & life experience that supports certain direction of polarization.
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Spaced - 05-31-2014
(05-31-2014, 10:56 AM)darklight Wrote: Are males more STS orientated than females?
I don't know about that specifically, but the differences between masculine and feminine approach can be represented also by the right-brain and left-brain approaches to seeking. Here's what Ra says about that
Quote:Excerpt from session 49 query 4:
Ra: I am Ra. The lobes of your physical complex brain are alike in their use of weak electrical energy. The entity ruled by intuition and impulse is equal to the entity governed by rational analysis when polarity is considered. The lobes may both be used for service to self or service to others. It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that, in our understanding, too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization. It may be said that those whose analytical capacities are predominant have somewhat more to work with in polarizing.
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RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Fastidious Emanations - 05-31-2014
Quote:87.28 Questioner: Why is the male and the female nature different?
Ra: I am Ra. When the veiling process was accomplished, to the male polarity was attracted the Matrix of the Mind and to the female, the Potentiator of the Mind; to the male the Potentiator of the Body, to the female the Matrix of the Body. May we ask if there are any brief queries before we close this working?
RE: Gender breakdown in seekers - Adonai One - 05-31-2014
Men are here to learn the lessons of will going into humility. Women do the opposite. The negative polarity is a condition of too much will towards the self and others.
Men have the necessary biases biologically and culturally to polarize negatively more efficently only so far as the will is followed as absolute.