(05-28-2014, 11:17 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Argument 1 (Majority): People need to strive harder to consider one another and love each other.

Argument 2 (Minority): People will naturally consider one another and love each other once people are allowed to live lives they want to live and have time to freely give to one another.

The former argues that we aren't pushing ourselves hard enough. The other argues this pushing is the problem.

(05-28-2014, 11:17 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Why is this weak?

In my experience with my wife, there is little effort in our relationship. We both find our relationship easy. Why should it be hard?

In fact, I have only found relationships difficult when a lot is asked by everyone involved with great expectations. I have had these and simply choose not to maintain them out of respect for myself. I will say no to forceful requests.

(05-29-2014, 07:06 AM)Melissa Wrote: Arguing over love? No way.. Love is literally just a breath away.

(05-29-2014, 03:32 AM)Adonai One Wrote: According to the Ra material, there are two choices and they are mirrored in the choices above: Acceptance and rejection.

(05-29-2014, 03:32 AM)Ra Wrote: 25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

(05-29-2014, 03:32 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I base it on there being two polarities:

Either everything is accepted or nothing is.

The middle is an inconsistent application of the former waiting for a momentum of polarity to occur. The latter is an anomaly but exists in this reality when people refuse to express the natural positive inclination of the will and that is eventual unconditional acceptance of the entire macrocosm.

#1 is denying the present moment and what exists for the future which may or may not. When that ideal future does not happen, further will against the present moment builds. When the present moment is completely denied, a pure hatred forms.

There are not many forms of unconditional love. There is one. However, there are various paths, various ways of abstaining from unconditional love. This planet's way is self-denial and projecting that self-denial on the other, the ideal of people never being good enough, never trying hard enough, not accepting enough responsibility. In this ideal of responsibility, the present moment and the present self is completely denied. In this view, the only responsibility is towards an ideal for a future self that may or may not exist, the self you may consider the ego.

I stand for one thing and that is the love for the present self in all-selves.

According to the Ra material, there are two choices and they are mirrored in the choices above: Acceptance and rejection.

Quote:Please show me something to back this statement up.

In a mixed polarity 3d world, if those of positive polarity accepted all things, they merely become "spiritual punching bags" of the negative polarity, and the world destroys itself or becomes a very dark place.

Speaking for myself, I reject the limitation of free will - the acts by which one entity limits the free will of another entity

(05-29-2014, 08:01 AM)ScottK Wrote:

(05-29-2014, 03:32 AM)Adonai One Wrote: According to the Ra material, there are two choices and they are mirrored in the choices above: Acceptance and rejection.

Please show me something to back this statement up.

In a mixed polarity 3d world, if those of positive polarity accepted all things, they merely become "spiritual punching bags" of the negative polarity, and the world destroys itself or becomes a very dark place.

Speaking for myself, I reject the limitation of free will - the acts by which one entity limits the free will of another entity.

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(05-29-2014, 03:32 AM)Ra Wrote: 25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

(05-29-2014, 11:40 AM)xise Wrote: 1) Accepting all is the ideal. As you point out, even in 4D it's not possible to accept all and enslavement of the self is rejected. However, consider this exception is when the situation basically involves the removal of free will. Most actions on the physical plane may infringe your physical reality choices but do not actually removal your free will as the 4D enslavement situation you quote does.

2) More importantly and more relevant to non-absolute free will removal situations, acceptance is a state of being and is a relationship to the present. You can do many of the exact same acts from a place of acceptance or from a place of control/rejection - it's more about your emotional relationship to what's going on. It's not healthy to believe that acceptance means that you roll over. Even if you accept that there are murderers, I think you can defend yourself from murder (you still have free will even if you are killed, as your soul continues, it's not like total enslavement) - if you truly accept the existence of murders, I think your emotional response during such self-defense to be still love (and it may help you deepen your understanding of why people murder), while self-defending from a place of rejection/control will substantially change your emotional state during said self-defense (ie you'll probably get much more angry and upset at some level due to the rejection/control and you'll probably control that anger and use again it at a later date).

(05-29-2014, 12:07 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Is not acceptance of all things an acceptance of one's desires and the desire of others in unison?