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Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - native - 05-26-2014
The more I listen to Adyashanti the more I really like him, as he's great at putting thoughts into words. It's also a reminder that much of what Ra was attempting to teach was simply reworded teachings of our past.
In this video he discusses the delicate dance between truth, illusion, and honesty. To be awake is to realize that there is no such thing as awake or asleep, but it is to be in a place within yourself where the infinite is allowed to express itself to you in the moment, because what you're experiencing is yourself. That is the highest truth..an honest expression.
"It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you."
So you have a choice to decide whether or not the moment needs to be controlled, or if it is free to express itself. If someone reaches out to you, you can then offer an opinion. But he also attempts to explain honest expression as not getting caught up in our assessment of how another may be lacking, a judgment, but revealing our deepest feelings about something or how another is making us feel.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Melissa - 05-26-2014
Well, you can essentially only 'allow' yourself to be who you are. There's no such thing as 'allowance' for others, I mean, that's an odd perspective which already suggest that it's possible to control others. I think the appearance or feeling of control is merely a result of different types of imbalances which inevitably links one imbalanced individual to another, to assist you in the process of self-allowance/love. Self-allowance will eventually but inevitably attract self-allowance, but it's just about the complete opposite of what (I assume) most of us have been taught/told to believe about ourselves and 'the world'.
I'm going through this, rather challenging process myself, together with some friends in my community and it's the most beautiful thing in the world to see people coming out of their shell and making decisions which are solely based on what they believe/feel is appropriate and loving for them. Needless to say I don't always agree but that's likewise and it still works wonders.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - native - 05-26-2014
The allowance spoken of is the internal struggle with the external; releasing resistance to what is and the disharmony created within. When we're at peace with the moment we are metaphorically allowing it to express itself. Disharmony = resistance. Bliss = free expression. So you can think of that in terms of a real energy that creates catalyst. We get caught up in our beliefs and are always trying to control the other by converting them to our viewpoint, rather than creating an environment of passivity and free giving. The idea being that you can only give what is asked for.."Service is only possible to the extent it is requested."
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Hotsizzle77 - 05-26-2014
Allowing people to be who they are is actually a sign of love associated with 4th ray chakra. If you're a parent, an unconditional acceptance of the child is in essence, a great way to be of service and polarize positively. Very important point.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - AnthroHeart - 05-26-2014
I show my dog unconditional love, green ray, most of the time. He is my baby.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Hotsizzle77 - 05-26-2014
I have unconditional love for you, my friend.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - AnthroHeart - 05-26-2014
Thank you HotSizzle, my friend.
I know a lot of things, but I couldn't present on them like this guy does.
I'm just not good at organizing information. Must be a 5D quirk.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - native - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 12:26 PM)Hotsizzle77 Wrote: Allowing people to be who they are is actually a sign of love associated with 4th ray chakra. If you're a parent, an unconditional acceptance of the child is in essence, a great way to be of service and polarize positively. Very important point.
Good point.
"The entity, child or adult, as you call it, is not an instrument to be played. The appropriate teach/learning device of parent to child is the open-hearted beingness of the parent and the total acceptance of the beingness of the child. This will encompass whatever material the child entity has brought into the life experience in this plane.
There are two things especially important in this relationship other than the basic acceptance of the child by the parent. Firstly, the experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and give thanksgiving to the One Infinite Creator, should if possible be shared with the child entity upon a daily basis, as you would say. Secondly, the compassion of parent to child may well be tempered by the understanding that the child entity shall learn the biases of service to others or service to self from the parental other-self. This is the reason that some discipline is appropriate in the teach/learning. This does not apply to the activation of any one energy center for each entity is unique and each relationship with self and other-self doubly unique. The guidelines given are only general for this reason."
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Phoenix - 05-29-2014
Hey. I didn't see the video but am very happy with the subject.
From learning astrology. Again and again and again, I've learned how ineffectual judgement is. I've thought a lot of things about people. But then I look at the chart, see what they're struggling with and bite my tongue.
A person can have a collective planet in a place that simply makes the person almost a slave to it. They might then get labelled a lot of different things by others (which you can guess from the chart). I would like to give more specific examples as from my own chart but I deem it against free will.
Masculinity, sexuality, spirituality. When I see the chart, I am awed.
I also have a personal saying which I need, to keep myself knowing to stop myself judging but I forget sometimes. It goes 'My people and I are a visual. I would never use myself to look at other people.'
I did start to idealise astrologers and then had an experience where I suspect astrologers just look at a chart and make judgements with their information.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - reeay - 05-29-2014
Like psychology testing, astrology natal charts are interpreted on the basis of that individual's life context. That's why interpretation may vary across one's life even when the positions/relationships between planets remain the same (not including transit influences). When we understand a person within the context of their life situation or life experience or life history or whatnot, we are able to understand their current situation in a frame that is more helpful to work with.
You are --- and --- can be totally misconstrued bc we look at stable trait characteristics. You can understand personalities as dynamic bc people are very contextually-based in how they believe something or how they behave or feel. It's pretty rich to be able to get to know others when doing a reading bc the chart may help bring major distortions into their conscious awareness. If we can help people understand these themes instead of stable trait characteristics (like personality type) we might be allowing them to decide who they are. It's like the concept of archetypes - broad, thematic.
So the major challenge of an astrologer and astrology student is to begin to be able to read the chart in its gestalt (not breaking down the reading into your sun sign is this, this means this; your planet aspects this planet). Major themes. Yet we also need to work by understanding life context if we are going to analyze the parts within astrology. Just my method & view.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Phoenix - 05-29-2014
Hey reeay.
It's all done intuitively for me. Although I do read a lot in the area. I feel what is said is what needs to be said. I think intention is important though. Someone gave me a chart of theirs to help me learn about it and I have learnt the most from that chart.
Sometimes a very strong intuition comes over me about a chart. Then I'll try and throw it out with technical justifications, and it returns when I start to go deeply into the same chart again. like a higher self coming through me. I feel a little uncomfortable with this though because I don't want to be incorrect. I don't always get it.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - AnthroHeart - 05-29-2014
Even when my mom annoys me, it's still easy to let her be as she is without trying to steer or change her.
I realize she is Creator too, even if at her angriest times she may not realize this.
I don't know if she even knows she is God too. I haven't discussed that with her.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Plenum - 05-29-2014
(05-29-2014, 01:27 PM)Phoenix Wrote: From learning astrology. Again and again and again, I've learned how ineffectual judgement is. I've thought a lot of things about people. But then I look at the chart, see what they're struggling with and bite my tongue.
A person can have a collective planet in a place that simply makes the person almost a slave to it. They might then get labelled a lot of different things by others (which you can guess from the chart). I would like to give more specific examples as from my own chart but I deem it against free will.
this is a question that came up in another thread, but do you think you would be able to 'accept' a difficult person, if you couldn't get access to their chart and identify what they were struggling with?
I sort of bring this up because I am reminded of Ra's poker game analogy of what it means to 'choose love' in 3rd density, and past a certain point, it is activated by the element of faith. That one is never going to know all the conditions that go into a situation, and that one has seen and experienced enough to give and offer the love freely, before assessing if an individual is worthy of it or not.
that is not to say that the faculty of understanding is not invoked or applied; by all means, we should strive for further knowledge, more applicable concepts, and deeper integration of self.
It's just that complete knowing is not a part of the 3d mind/experience (it was designed that way lol), and that there are always going to be situations where we are forced to make a choice of acceptance/non-acceptance in situations where many variables are unknown.
what is our default leaning in such situations?
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Phoenix - 05-30-2014
(05-29-2014, 09:01 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: this is a question that came up in another thread, but do you think you would be able to 'accept' a difficult person, if you couldn't get access to their chart and identify what they were struggling with?
Well, the themes are rather simple, and are quite obvious once you have done a few charts, and looked into the theories. The Plutonian darkness, that someone might look at Carla Rueckert and Nigel Farage and say, 'you should relax more, stop taking things so seriously'. But you see the Pluto there and realise the person really does have to deal with it in their daily decision making process.
Depends what you would define as difficult? I have a friend who was a bit dogmatic in trying to define the world as illusion. It did get annoying. But I did see his chart and see that the transits were telling him to deal with things exactly as his 8th house north node might indicate.
The way I have dealt with accepting people I have had difficulty in the past with, is to see how these people have been reflected in my own chart. I will be finishing my book on Chiron in relation to the other thread.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Jeremy - 05-30-2014
This deals with the exact unresolved issues in the cognitive discussion thread ie: acceptance vs honesty. His version of honesty disregards being a mirror to that other self when that other self disregards a portion of themselves that could be inherently destructive.
Sure, some will say "well if they are within a self destructive path, then it's their lesson to learn". That only goes so far because what if their self destruction directly involves and influences other selfs? Are we to allow this self destruction to impact us solely based on the idea that we are pawns to an other selfs lesson? Are we to be martyrs in a sense soley so that other self can learn whatever they need to learn? How about if this destruction could potentially impact a child? If a mother or father had a substance abuse issue and laid around the house passed out from being so high, are we to allow the parent to remain in this state while their child roamed freely? Are we to say "well if the child finds it's way outside or a parents gun and does harm to themselves, it's inherently the lesson of both the parent and the child at that point?"
Where does the lesson of accepting one as they are meet the place where there's is an inherent responsibility to show the other self that mirror aspect and how destructive they are being not only to themselves but to potentially other selfs? If we were to speak the truth as he calls it and express ours fears and open ourselves up completely to that other self, how is that being accepting? Seems awfully paradoxical. Where does the law of responsibility especially regarding children come into play? Should we just allow children to do as they wish regardless of potential repercussion? Some will say "well children are different". Why? Why are children any different than an adult whom is unable to see the potential repercussions of it's actions? Both are unable to process the causality of their actions at that point so I fail to see the difference.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - Phoenix - 05-30-2014
I see I am going to get sucked into this area of discussion.
My original response included this, but I deleted it for apparently free will reasons, which were perhaps not correct. (Not that I am still making any judgements until I go to the thread and speak on that subject!)
If we were to consider the Utopian ideas of a more Uranian person. The myths here are two fold. A) That Ouranus the sky god, was too much of a perfectionist because he was killing his children because they were ugly. Gaia then hid her next son Chronos (Saturn) who castrated his father. So in accord with this balancing process there are still karmic repercussions of actions. And a person can experience any planet in either polarity.
Another of the Uranus myths is that of Prometheus, who got chained to a rock and had his liver pecked out everyday in order to punish him for bringing fire to humanity. Remember this is all symbolic.
RE: Allowing Everyone to be who They Are - AnthroHeart - 05-30-2014
(05-30-2014, 10:49 AM)Phoenix Wrote: Another of the Uranus myths is that of Prometheus, who got chained to a rock and had his liver pecked out everyday in order to punish him for bringing fire to humanity. Remember this is all symbolic.
Wow, that's harsh dude.
Brahman the Hindu creator, supposedly was punished for telling a lie, according to a Shiva book I'm reading. Though his punishment was that he wouldn't be remembered or worshiped. But this punishment was almost too much for him to bear.