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They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Adonai One - 05-15-2014
The STO entity will nearly always, in some form, denote a magical intent with "all things freely given" or "under the freewill of others." When the intent affects others, there will be a byline of responsibility in that it will not change reality in a way that an entity will not be able to accept it within its distortions of progress.
For instance, making an intent for rapid world peace would be, in my distortion, irresponsible as it would force those who do not want it to be extremely distorted, despite it being under the freewill of a theoretical majority. Might of the majority does not make "right" as you are acting against something nonetheless. With all political opinions aside, hurting people is not the way of the polarity of universal love.
The STS entity will happily act within and act against anything that aids it. It will let its intent kill, maim, brainwash people for even basic intents regarding well-being. Anything goes even at the cost of harming others or even harming its own self as long as the will is achieved, at whatever necessary cost as long as it doesn't infringe on its prior wills.
The STO entity will work by making its needs known to the universe by which the universe will meet them voluntarily, with no resistance except what is inherent and stable; e.g. air will be acted against when we move our arms.
It's never the actual changes invoked in reality that define the working but whether it is freely given or if it is not, and whether it will lead to a freely given result over the long-term. It should be denoted that respecting freewill goes as far as respecting the freewill of the self by yourself. There are things you can voluntarily give to yourself and involuntarily give to yourself. Being aware of this difference requires letting go of some societal indoctrination.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Stranger - 05-15-2014
Worrying about the wishes of those entities who do not want world peace reminds me of the Ra session where Don kept asking how they can serve the STS entity that was attacking Carla, with Ra repeatedly and very politely explaining to Don that maybe that was not the best thing to be attempting.
Why not scale the situation down somewhat: instead of world peace, we're dealing with one group of humans systematically exploiting another group of humans. Is it OK to try to visualize this coming to an end?
Let's take it down one more step. You see one person harming another, let's say, it's a mugging. Is it ok to interfere with the wishes of the mugger, or do we respect his free will?
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Adonai One - 05-15-2014
Is the mugger using physical force without an option to evade it (e.g. "give me the money and I won't hurt you")? If it's giving the person an option, why not seek the option with the least resistance? Is the attachment to the object greater than the mugger's freewill to be free from duress and unharmed by physical aggression?
It's within the freewill of others to visualize violence coming to an end but by what method? Physical force (indirectly instigated by magic without respect for freewill) or just communication of desires?
How can the freewill of all parties involved be most efficiently met? That is the question to be asked.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Stranger - 05-15-2014
I think Gandhi had the right answers.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Adonai One - 05-15-2014
I think Ghandi acted irresponsibly in the changes he forcibly caused; however, humanity has built itself on the sacrifice of a few for the benefit of the many. With that ethical standard, he was a saint. I think much potential catalyst towards a true consensus was not accepted.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - xise - 05-15-2014
(05-15-2014, 05:29 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I think Ghandi acted irresponsibly in the changes he forcibly caused; however, humanity has built itself on the sacrifice of a few for the benefit of the many. With that ethical standard, he was a saint. I think much potential catalyst towards a true consensus was not accepted.
I don't know what actions you are specifically referring to, but I think that Gandhi's non-violent civil disobedience movement against the UK is the closest thing to a model for how a positively oriented but enslaved people free would themselves from an unwilling overlord.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Adonai One - 05-15-2014
I don't want to speak too extensively on this as it is very controversial but the splitting of old India into two separate religious states is my greatest criticism. While there were many factors, Ghandi was the responsible catalyst. I think the unrest we have now in these areas could have been prevented if more moderation was used.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - xise - 05-15-2014
(05-15-2014, 06:05 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I don't want to speak too extensively on this as it is very controversial but the splitting of old India into two separate religious states is my greatest criticism. While there were many factors, Ghandi was the responsible catalyst. I think the unrest we have now in these areas could have been prevented if more moderation was used.
All the material I've read is that Ghandi reluctantly accepted the proposed split that was put forth by other political entities rather than truly supporting it himself.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Adonai One - 05-15-2014
There were many factors involved. I just want to connote that with great power, even vocal power over the masses, comes a greater responsibility than what would normally be with just physical prowess alone. Ideas are the truest changers, while seemingly peaceful, every gunshot comes from the idea, the thought to shoot it.
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - Unbound - 05-15-2014
White Magic is based on the balance of Natural Laws (energy equilibrium), everything is harmonized, nothing is taken that is not returned and Black Magic disregards or intentionally twists these laws and will gladly throw things out of balance for the sake of gain.
Hence why Black Magic inevitably leads to absorption as the whole purpose is to create a self-centric system of power/freedom without concern for balance. (Balance meaning equilibrium)
RE: They key differences between "STO" and "STS" magic - ScottK - 05-16-2014
With the STO entities, I would certainly agree that it's all about maximizing free will, however, I will add a couple of what I believe are reasonable constraints for our 3d world. Where constraints would be defined as areas where an STO entity can inhibit free will appropriately.
1) The STO entity should maintain sovereign authority over that with which they hold dominion - essentially meaning that they are the master of their own house, and that other selves should respect the rules of their house.
2) Free will should be respected until the point that harm is done to another self.
Those rules would signify to the creation that the STO entity wishes to stand up for themselves, so that STS oriented entities don't walk all over them..
The standard for a true STO society is much tougher for us to even conceive of as a government would hold extremely little dominion and authority.
With STS entities, I would clarify what you said Adonai, by saying the STS entity wishes control of other entities. The authority to dish out harm to other entities merely comes from the belief in the control that they claim, but there is no requirement or need for harm as long as there is compliance.
Here's a description of a 4d negative society that I believe is the true intent of the negative elite in our world (subject to your discernment). It's an interesting read..
http://www.darkgovernment.com/omega.html
The grand deception of the negative elite is to try to convince you that they actually have dominion over you and the whole world. They have, unlawfully, claimed such dominion - and that's why things are so screwed up now. Most actually believe the deception.