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Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-29-2014
Ok, so, I know many of you found the Law of One through David Wilcock but I didn't really know who he was until this morning when I googled him and I gotta say it, who the hell is this dude?
I saw some videos of him "channelling Ra" and wow it's just bullshit lol
This guy is doing more harm than good spreading poorly framed intuitive self serving nonsense with childish enthusiasm. Also, he is not the reincarnation of cayce, lemme tell you.
Anyways, that's my opinion lol what do you guys think of him? Not to indulge in idle gossip but since it's quite closely related to the Law of One material I think it's worth investigating on this site.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Spaced - 01-29-2014
I think it's nice that he is getting some more widespread recognition for the Law of One, but yeah I feel like a lot of what he says is BS.
I read his book The Source Field Investigations a while back and it was kind of a mixed bag. Lots of interesting ideas blown out of proportion and lots of intuitive free-association taken as fact. After reading it I would check his blog sometimes but it was so full of conspiracy mongering and predictions that I just couldn't buy it and made my way here to the slightly saner waters of Bring4th instead
Basically what I got out of his work was "huh, this guy references the Law of One a lot, maybe I should check that out," which I did and found the LOO to be a much more useful resource.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-29-2014
Yeah it seems like he grabs other people's fascinating ideas and crams them into his own faulty self centered frame and then presents that publicly as gospel truth along with putting unfalsifiable conspiracy stuff that just doesn't help anyone in a attempt to reinforce his worldview. The intentional fear based presentation of any information is an act deserving of scorn in itself lol
I dunno man, he smells slimey this dude.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Plenum - 01-29-2014
he has interpreted his own experiences here:
https://divinecosmos.com/about-david-wilcock
Quote:David moved to Louisville, Kentucky in February 2003 to join forces with Jim and Carla, the two surviving members of the Law of One contact. He was soon followed by fellow members Vara in March and Gary in late April. David reliably paid 601 dollars monthly rent, shopped for the group's food on Friday night and cooked the group's food for the entire week all day Saturday (with fellow member Vara, who also did all the bookkeeping).
David also regularly performed a variety of skilled labor tasks, including a complete remodeling of the basement, creating three new bedrooms and a large laundry room, under the direction and partnership of fellow L/L member Bruce, also known as LoneBear, who moved in as of December. Gary also provided assistance in construction.
The 'Gary' mentioned above is our own Bring4th_GLB I believe
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Spaced - 01-29-2014
Mr Wilcocks has also been a common topic of discussion here if you wanna slog through some old threads http://www.bring4th.org/forums/search.php?action=results&sid=b50e98b2ce9f1c58739c41ec336942ce&sortby=lastpost&order=desc
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - isis - 01-29-2014
need i say more?
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 01-29-2014
This guy:
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-29-2014
Yeah I had a look but most of that stuff was presenting David as a source of authority on Ra which I guess was understandable given that many of the posters had found out about the Ra material through him. While there was skepticism present it wasn't really addressed that often other than "that's just, like, your opinion maaan" and people deflecting it in any way possible to hold on to their ideas of an immediate harvest. Yossarin's thread though touched on some much needed ground it seems.
Back to my brutal unsolicited assault.
"Wisdom teachings"? seriously omfg what is wrong with this guy? He sure does love talking himself up.
Nah, I can't even go to the consequentialist "well he lead people to the Law of One" mentality, this is disgraceful lol
And what now, he lived with Carla and Jim? This is scandalous! lol I know I said I didn't want this to be gossip but that is just outrageous that he would do that and then continue with these endeavours. Wait a second, LoneBear's a member of L/L? woah well now that is interesting.
Lol, who are these "witnesses" used to justify these claims? Very convenient. "This is a prophecy I'm just putting out there, I don't know if it will come true" good god a most shameful display. His knowledge of the things he is talking about is limited and tainted by narcissism.
Forgive me for the ethnocentric comment but what is with Americans and the need for a hero? Even your football has a "hero" role. This guy has been treated like a hero and has enjoyed every second of it, it seems.
That fat kid in the Metallica shirt is no f*#%@&@ messiah
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-29-2014
if you create weaselly, suggestive, transcendent-themed stories, wholly dependent on others to fill in the blanks (with what they desire), there will always be a market from those totally accepting that superficiality, unwilling to take ownership of their own experience with regards to the subject matter.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - native - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 07:36 PM)Fang Wrote: Yeah it seems like he grabs other people's fascinating ideas and crams them into his own faulty self centered frame and then presents that publicly as gospel truth along with putting unfalsifiable conspiracy stuff that just doesn't help anyone in a attempt to reinforce his worldview. The intentional fear based presentation of any information is an act deserving of scorn in itself lol
I dunno man, he smells slimey this dude.
I wouldn't call him slimey..just confused like we all get at times. Anyone who delves into the topic of UFO's will have to wade through all the nonsense. The conspiracy stuff is appealing because the mind must make sense of reality in that context, that there must be a storyline, in the same way that the mind always approaches catalyst as something other than self. Answers to all the various questions need to be explored..feel things out, try this or that on. Most get stuck, some move on. So he's simply a mirror.
He provides a great lesson though..wanting to be a teacher is a very tricky thing that bears great responsibility. We think we know the truth, which we anxiously freely share, yet there is the possibility we're completely misinformed and could be causing great confusion. But again, it's shared catalyst that people might need so I'm not sure it's a fault, just experience.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 11:27 PM)Icaro Wrote: But again, it's shared catalyst that people might need so I'm not sure it's a fault, just experience.I think people that perceive a fault should speak up. What happened to Maldek, shared catalyst for everyone on the planet? Oh it's "just experience". lol
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - native - 01-30-2014
Didn't say we couldn't and that seems to be what we're doing here..just providing a balanced perspective.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-30-2014
Quote:I wouldn't call him slimey..just confused like we all get at times. Anyone who delves into the topic of UFO's will have to wade through all the nonsense. The conspiracy stuff is appealing because the mind must make sense of reality in that context, that there must be a storyline, in the same way that the mind always approaches catalyst as something other than self. Answers to all the various questions need to be explored..feel things out, try this or that on. Most get stuck, some move on. So he's simply a mirror.
He provides a great lesson though..wanting to be a teacher is a very tricky thing that bears great responsibility. We think we know the truth, which we anxiously freely share, yet there is the possibility we're completely misinformed and could be causing great confusion. But again, it's shared catalyst that people might need so I'm not sure it's a fault, just experience.
Gotta break down those grand narratives if you want to view other ones and reach a more shared understanding. Yeah he presents a lesson but he also was in a position of influence which he abused by presenting misleading, incomplete, inconsistent information at times from "secret sources" to hundreds of thousands of people all the while attempting to increase and perpetuate his fame and influence. I'm not saying he is a force for good or evil, I'm saying he is a jerk.
We can say "oh well it's catalyst for us to work with" but that's a rather utilitarian approach ignoring the harm this dude has caused in the process of producing that catalyst. He's not simply a "mirror" (maybe for the individual but his influence is beyond that obviously) he's a human being in this world that many, many people look to as an authority figure on interpreting the world around them, for him to have moulded this position for himself and recognise it and still act the way he did as earned my derision lol
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - GentleReckoning - 01-30-2014
He's simply a projection of people's desires reflected in reality for everyone to appreciate. Clearly everyone appreciates him a little differently.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - xise - 01-30-2014
(01-29-2014, 07:36 PM)Fang Wrote: I dunno man, he smells slimey this dude.
I've watched a few videos (mostly 2011+) of his and he always struck me as really believing and buying into his own material. He gets so excited on stage talking about the stuff. He doesn't strike me as the sort who consciously knows he's engaging in something potentially counterproductive.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
I enjoy listening to Wilcock for one reason; he collects and presents information from around the world. As long as you don't take it as gospel, and instead think for yourself, it opens lots of doors for your own contemplation.
His series on GaiamTV, while tediously repetitive at times, is fantastic for that.
The lad has an ego, though, it makes me laugh (frequently). Ra-Ta, Cayce, self promotion etc. I've not once listened to the music, and that youtube clip is not my cup of tea. His promotion of ascension / 2012 winter solstice, I think, was actually a reflection of his desperation for it. The Ra Material is clear in the fact the steps of light occur at death. He was blind to that in order to perpetuate his ascension desire.
There is a bit of judgement - STS energy - directed at him in this thread. If he pushes your buttons, he's doing you a favour by highlighting distortions within you. Don't react to the catalyst; consciously choose respond to it. Discernment is more appropriate for one seeking the Creator, the positive path. It builds rather than segregates.
He is doing what he thinks is right (as we all do); his passion for sharing information is absolutely resolute. Countless people sit and do nothing. This guy, perfectly imperfect, is putting himself out there, and it *has* helped many people. If it's not for you, ignore it and focus on something that you resonate with :¬)
Ra was happy to help ONE person, as the one is the whole. This applies to all of us, even with our emotional/mental/spiritual distortions.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Melissa - 01-30-2014
Tip: It might be more productive to send him an email, start your own YouTube channel or write books, instead of opening a bashing thread.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - βαθμιαίος - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 01:16 AM)Fang Wrote: earned my derision
Yours and many others'. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/search.php?q=david+wilcock
I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He tries so hard, but he just can't seem to get out of his own way.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - ScottK - 01-30-2014
David Wilcock has put out some remarkable information - his research on the Freemasons in his financial tyranny stands out in my mind especially.
The problem he has in creating his information is that he is too trusting. The new age/UFO field is 90%+ disinformation, and he's latched onto some disinformers. With regard to what information he's received with respect to the financial shift piece, nearly 100% is disinformation. The real players do not talk *ever* about their real plans, and especially to a public figure. Why would you tip off your enemy to what you are doing by sharing it? There's no upside to that.
The cabal has been hammering the new age community with a lot of disinformation for a long time to drain the people, to make them believe that the shift will be easy and give a sense of entitlement, and to obscure the truth. David appears to have been deceived by them in this process.
But David is great when it comes to certain research and I always enjoy reading his intuitive data. For me, the information he puts out is always an attempt at being positive - but, I don't have an emotional reaction on the conspiracy info he puts out anymore, compared to others.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 08:53 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: He tries so hard, but he just can't seem to get out of his own way.
Nailed it :¬)
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - native - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 01:16 AM)Fang Wrote: Gotta break down those grand narratives if you want to view other ones and reach a more shared understanding. Yeah he presents a lesson but he also was in a position of influence which he abused by presenting misleading, incomplete, inconsistent information at times from "secret sources" to hundreds of thousands of people all the while attempting to increase and perpetuate his fame and influence. I'm not saying he is a force for good or evil, I'm saying he is a jerk.
We can say "oh well it's catalyst for us to work with" but that's a rather utilitarian approach ignoring the harm this dude has caused in the process of producing that catalyst. He's not simply a "mirror" (maybe for the individual but his influence is beyond that obviously) he's a human being in this world that many, many people look to as an authority figure on interpreting the world around them, for him to have moulded this position for himself and recognise it and still act the way he did as earned my derision lol
I've felt what you're feeling but now it just doesn't bother me. I simply see it as unfortunate. As others have said, I think he genuinely believes in what he is presenting. It's also helpful to keep in mind that David is the result of decades of information that came before him.
So you could say that who he is is the result of all the others that were presenting and conjuring up conspiracy. Whose fault is it then? On some level there must be a type of request for that kind of information, or that it's possibly even necessary. It could possibly be a barrier that presents an opportunity to overcome and continue seeking into unity, or it's needed to reinforce separation (comfort for sleeping).
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Horuseus - 01-30-2014
Not a fan of Wilcock by any long shot, however consider any mainstream 'new age teacher' and you will likely find people picking holes - there isn't anything unique about David in this regard. Deepak Chopra comes to mind.
They do however serve as a useful guidepost in providing an alternate spectrum of thought for those who may potentially appease to those transcendent notions, however 'erroneous' it may seem from another perspective. In other words, it is public exposure towards a 'lesser distorted' concept from what is usually offered to the alternate mass. Certainly it is the case on this forum and others where people where introduced to the LOO through Wilcock and other such folk, which may not have been the case otherwise.
The desired configuration for one who is on that path which may have been catalysed by folk such as Wilcock is that they generally move on to new understanding as the work is refined, rather than being locked into one limited mode of perspective, where no personal connection is established, but rather reliance on another. This tends to be the theme for many, as rather than jumping into higher level concepts from the get go, one is introduced to basic tier concepts, before moving up (Rinse, repeat etc).
Obviously not the optimal way of going about things, given there's considerable misinformation at those levels, so wading through the crap is an exercise in discernment, which is pretty much where the analytical faculties come in handy, rather than "touchy feely love light feels good herp derp!" bypassing. Hey we've all been there (Or still are) though, so it's all good. It's how you learn afterall (Ymmv).
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 11:52 AM)Horuseus Wrote: ...which is pretty much where the analytical faculties come in handy, rather than "touchy feely love light feels good herp derp!" bypassing.
What makes you believe the heart cannot discern without intellect? I ask out of pure curiosity, not in an accusatory manner (which that can be interpreted as).
Herp derp (lol!) bypassing is most certainly fervent in this world, but projecting that instance over all non-analytical discernment is highly generalised.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-30-2014
Quote:Tip: It might be more productive to send him an email, start your own YouTube channel or write books, instead of opening a bashing thread.It might be more productive to send me an email, start your own YouTube channel, write books or actually read the material this entire site is dedicated to before joining it and committing half a thousand posts before you start saying things like that lol. It's not a bashing thread either, I don't know what kind of image some of you portray and label me as but I can assure you you're missing the mark here.
Quote:earned my derisionThat was me being facetious, i must clarify.
Quote:There is a bit of judgement - STS energy - directed at him in this thread.Lol no, keep guessing.
I think the dude is genuinely into it as well, that's what makes it such a disaster lol because there was actually an opportunity here for collectives to benefit.
I'm not sure you some of you guys see the problem here, everyone seems to be focusing on the end product only and what that permits for individual learning...there's more to any system than the end product, we are dealing with collectives as well.
This may be of interest to you who strive to serve others, if you take a consequentialist mentality in regards to personal learning and development you are not really being as STO as you could be by a long shot.
Anyways, my questions have been answered, thank you all.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Horuseus - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 12:26 PM)Namaste Wrote: What makes you believe the heart cannot discern without intellect? I ask out of pure curiosity, not in an accusatory manner (which that can be interpreted as).
Well it certainly can on it's own, however it seems analytical skills allow one to analyse and process such data in relation to the experience in a more efficient manner, which may not have been the case otherwise. One may 'feel' discomfort whilst locked to a certain paradigm for example (Fundamentalist abrahamic religion, say), however may lack the necessary skill to critically analyse the genesis of the emotions and make the connection between mindlessly practising that which had been conditioned, and acknowledging catalyst in order to make conscious that which may not necessarily have been so prior.
There is a supporting statement in the Ra material as well:
49.4 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. The lobes of your physical complex brain are alike in their use of weak electrical energy. The entity ruled by intuition and impulse is equal to the entity governed by rational analysis when polarity is considered. The lobes may both be used for service to self or service to others. It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that, in our understanding, too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization. It may be said that those whose analytical capacities are predominant have somewhat more to work with in polarizing.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Melissa - 01-30-2014
Fang; I apologize for acting out my grumpiness. It had little to do with this thread.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Bring4th_Austin - 01-30-2014
(01-29-2014, 07:39 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: he has interpreted his own experiences here:
https://divinecosmos.com/about-david-wilcock
Quote:David moved to Louisville, Kentucky in February 2003 to join forces with Jim and Carla, the two surviving members of the Law of One contact. He was soon followed by fellow members Vara in March and Gary in late April. David reliably paid 601 dollars monthly rent, shopped for the group's food on Friday night and cooked the group's food for the entire week all day Saturday (with fellow member Vara, who also did all the bookkeeping).
David also regularly performed a variety of skilled labor tasks, including a complete remodeling of the basement, creating three new bedrooms and a large laundry room, under the direction and partnership of fellow L/L member Bruce, also known as LoneBear, who moved in as of December. Gary also provided assistance in construction.
The 'Gary' mentioned above is our own Bring4th_GLB I believe
Correct, Gary and David moved into the L/L house, with others, around the same time in an attempt to start a spiritual community of sorts. I'm not sure exactly what happened with the community but Gary is the only remaining member from the endeavor. The way the community tasks were split up is a bit misrepresented here, as everyone chipped in with the cooking and with the construction tasks (according to Gary).
To be introduced to David through his "Ra channeling" might not be the best first impression, as that's not really what he's famous for. As far as I'm aware, his recent fame could be attributed to the popularity of his Youtube videos, where he takes spiritual principles (mostly discussed in the Law of One) and makes some "long-reaching" connections to scientific evidence and conspiracy themes.
I wouldn't consider his work scientific by any shot. He does a great job at connecting dots and presenting it to an audience in an easily digestible way, inspiring aw and wonder. Many of the dots he connects are missing big pieces, and so the picture he paints can be incomplete or sometimes flat-out false, and his interpretations of the Law of One can often be questionable (see his article prior to 2012 that suggested there was no other logical interpretation of the Ra material except one of an instant event to happen in December 2012. He offered a reinterpretation a few months before the date to give him some wiggle room when it didn't happen.)
I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he receives. His ideas can be looked at and discussed with a fully skeptical and open mind, and many of them dismissed as such, without reverting to nasty attitude and name-calling. David is following his passion and doing his best to be of service as he knows how. His ego can get in the way at times (which is something he quite often openly admits), and he can often seem to be a caricature of himself, but at his heart he is attempting to share information, inspiration, and bring people to a greater understanding of spirituality. And from my perspective, the people that have come to greater understanding through him (in a way, including me), he has succeeded. Not everyone who finds David sticks with him and agrees with everything he says, but I know many people who have found a greater truth through David and continued their seeking beyond him, and I would say without hesitation that he has a net positive effect on the spiritual atmosphere of the planet.
He's just an easy target and I think he deserves more respect than people give him.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 12:26 PM)Namaste Wrote:There are only 2 rational evaluation faculties: thinking and feeling. Both are used to construct the world view we use to discern. "The heart" is sort of a misnomer for feeling though, because it doesn't particularly involve either the organ or the energy center. Usually a determination "from the heart" means with respect to that accepting vibration. Meanwhile, thinking and feeling are 100% complementary in nature as one is simply space oriented while the other is time oriented.(01-30-2014, 11:52 AM)Horuseus Wrote: ...which is pretty much where the analytical faculties come in handy, rather than "touchy feely love light feels good herp derp!" bypassing.
What makes you believe the heart cannot discern without intellect? I ask out of pure curiosity, not in an accusatory manner (which that can be interpreted as).
Herp derp (lol!) bypassing is most certainly fervent in this world, but projecting that instance over all non-analytical discernment is highly generalised.
The "touchy-feely" is an imbalanced expression if it replaces thinking or feeling, because you can't be truly honest on your characterization or acceptance of anything if you haven't had direct experience with it. La-la land will always support bypassing honest assessment.
(01-30-2014, 02:39 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Many of the dots he connects are missing big pieces, and so the picture he paints can be incomplete or sometimes flat-out false, and his interpretations of the Law of One can often be questionable (see his article prior to 2012 that suggested there was no other logical interpretation of the Ra material except one of an instant event to happen in December 2012. He offered a reinterpretation a few months before the date to give him some wiggle room when it didn't happen.)I believe he actually said there is no other responsible interpretation. Talk about investment in framing. But that exit scenario is what got many hooked in the first place.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Unbound - 01-30-2014
I have always seen a sort of shadow in David's eyes. I think he may have the same issue as Ra described for Mr. Crowley, that being "oversaturated by the true nature of things."
At one point I strongly considered that he deliberately misinforms and is working for other individuals to spread confusion. At this point I believe he is being mislead, but I do not see his own intentions as such, rather he is innocently deluded by the intensity of the experiences he has had.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 01-30-2014
Tanner, what does 'oversaturated by the true nature of things' mean for DW's situation?