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Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-14-2014
Universe Today Wrote:One of the benefits of being an astrophysicist is your weekly email from someone who claims to have "proven Einstein wrong". These either contain no mathematical equations and use phrases such as "it is obvious that..", or they are page after page of complex equations with dozens of scientific terms used in non-traditional ways. They all get deleted pretty quickly, not because astrophysicists are too indoctrinated in established theories, but because none of them acknowledge how theories get replaced.http://phys.org/news/2014-01-einstein-wrong.html
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Fang - 01-14-2014
Like many commenters on the site have said, this is an article that needs to be seen. Thank you.
If anyone is interested in just how theories get replaced Thomas Kuhn has quite a good book called "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" on the subject.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - MDL5 - 01-15-2014
Einstein is wrong just ask the aliens
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Spaced - 01-15-2014
(01-15-2014, 04:23 PM)MDL5 Wrote: Einstein is wrong just ask the aliens
will do, have you got their phone number?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - MDL5 - 01-15-2014
haha yea its 619-382-5657
but really the aliens space craft seem to nullify gravity to function. which is how they make such movements reported as "making 90 degree turns while going extremly fast" if gravity was in affect the beings would be injured in these manuvers so they have to have anti gravity tech or an alternate tech but nullifying gravity seems the best way to produce the ability to preform such actions
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-15-2014
So how then does that make Einstein wrong per the article?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - reeay - 01-15-2014
We can call ETs bc I have this spelling game machine at home... Lol
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RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Fang - 01-15-2014
Oh my goodness Rie that is just too precious lol
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rake - 01-16-2014
The interesting thong is how you would determine the vibrational location of an object or place. I wonder if they have a map of the vibrational location of the universe or at least a portion of it.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
Yeah because obviously the new-age entertainer Anka's intuitive guesses are totally relevant to why Einstein can't be wrong.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Parsons - 01-16-2014
zenmaster lesson 1: Never mention Bashar to him. He only seems to believe in anything directly mentioned in the Ra material.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - reeay - 01-16-2014
Bc it's of fundamental importance to balance intuition with rational thinking. The imbalance of the new age arena is that it is highly reliant on intuitively derived information.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
Lol parsons, this has nothing to do with the Ra Material either go figure. Got your personal jab in though, huh?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rhayader - 01-16-2014
I thought this thread was about how theories get replaced? Whether einstein was right or wrong is second to that. Its all down to the social memory complex of the greater society...things are only 'right' because the majority of people believe it to be so. We live in a consensus based reality.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
Yes it's also necessarily about how theories get replaced by other theories. They don't get replaced by whimsical fantasy and that type of daydreaming - should that not be obvious?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rhayader - 01-16-2014
You'd think so in this age, but people find it easier to trust potentially delusional fantasies rather than the theories which have stood, to some part, the test of time. Effort these days is overlooked.
What about rs2 or whatever its called, how does that hold up? I admit I haven't read it properly yet though.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
Where trust is placed is a large part of the point of the article. I see no limitation in the current publishing methodology of theoretical research that would prevent any more useful theory from replacing or extending some legacy theory. In order to qualify as a candidate theory, "RS2" would require falsifiable elements, directly tied to experiment, and mathematical rigor which do not yet exist. If you don't have these things, it's not possible to verify predictions, for example. So of what scientific use is it? Philosophically, it's logical consistency may suggest its promise, but the criticial development is not there yet.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Parsons - 01-16-2014
(01-16-2014, 03:33 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Lol parsons, this has nothing to do with the Ra Material either go figure. Got your personal jab in though, huh?
I was letting Rake know that he shouldn't bother quoting/linking any Bashar (or presumably any other channel source?) to you since you have made it abundantly clear that you don't think he is channeling. Not sure why you are taking that personally.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
Protean response expected and delivered.
(01-16-2014, 02:45 PM)rie Wrote: Bc it's of fundamental importance to balance intuition with rational thinking. The imbalance of the new age arena is that it is highly reliant on intuitively derived information.It necessarily not only must be intuitively derived, but also be mainly suggestive of vague notions and require intuitive perception in order to effectively express itself. The expression lacks balance due to it being unable to ground itself to any supporting experience. That supporting experience will never be forthcoming without actual effort in creating a rational worldview. Also, without supporting experience involved in the communication there may be some catalyst, but there will be much less awareness due to lack of investment and learning.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rake - 01-16-2014
Haha I forgot to quote MDL5 second post. I'm not sure your very accepting of what resonates with other people... Your truth is not my truth.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
The thread is about science Rake, not whimsical notions and stories.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rake - 01-16-2014
Science is quite whimsical is it not?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
(01-16-2014, 07:43 PM)Rake Wrote: Science is quite whimsical is it not?How's that?
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rake - 01-16-2014
(01-16-2014, 07:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-16-2014, 07:43 PM)Rake Wrote: Science is quite whimsical is it not?How's that?
I lived with a guy at Uni who had no room for the idea's (for want of a better word) expressed in the Law of One. He would often explain to me in detail various science theories and so on. Which I listened to in great interest but I'v always preferred fanciful and whimsical idea's. As for the article Einstein may never be proven wrong and the mere notion of such is indeed quite whimsical for some I'm sure.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Patrick - 01-16-2014
If the hypotheses Einstein has put forward remains forever valid, then he will never be proven wrong. Even if other Hypotheses were to explain observations in more detail.
In order for Einstein to be wrong, at least one of his hypotheses would have to fail an experiment design to test said hypothesis.
Of course, there is always a "better" hypothesis waiting around the corner. But a newer valid hypothesis does not necessarily, by itself, invalidate a previous one.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-16-2014
(01-16-2014, 07:52 PM)Rake Wrote:Have you even bothered to read the article?(01-16-2014, 07:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-16-2014, 07:43 PM)Rake Wrote: Science is quite whimsical is it not?How's that?
I lived with a guy at Uni who had no room for the idea's (for want of a better word) expressed in the Law of One. He would often explain to me in detail various science theories and so on. Which I listened to in great interest but I'v always preferred fanciful and whimsical idea's. As for the article Einstein may never be proven wrong and the mere notion of such is indeed quite whimsical for some I'm sure.
(01-16-2014, 08:09 PM)Patrick Wrote: If the hypotheses Einstein has put forward remains forever valid, then he will never be proven wrong. Even if other Hypotheses were to explain observations in more detail.Yes, the hypothesis forms the very basis for the terms of validation, hence why he never can be wrong. That is, for people who bothered to read the article before contributing.
In order for Einstein to be wrong, at least one of his hypotheses would have to fail an experiment design to test said hypothesis.
Of course, there is always a "better" hypothesis waiting around the corner. But a newer valid hypothesis does not necessarily, by itself, invalidate a previous one.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Rake - 01-17-2014
I did read the article, twice now as your interested.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Richard - 01-20-2014
New Age Gurus talking about Einstein always seem to be tad short on the math.
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - Namaste - 01-20-2014
There was something Einstein is misinformed over; one's mass when approaching the speed of light.
Rather than becoming infinity, it becomes zero.
Skip to 45 for the relevant content. Although I would highly recommend watching it in its totality if you've not seen it.
Zen - you describe Bashar as New Age entertainment (your own personal jab, was it not?), yet base your belief system upon channeled material that you cannot prove to another person.
I have personally put Bashar's teaching into practice, and can vouch for its authenticity through actual implementation. No theory. Results though experience. As can many people I know, too. These people do not whimsically believe in anything either, as you may project/imagine.
As you were :¬)
RE: Why Einstein will never be wrong - zenmaster - 01-20-2014
Anka is a new-age entertainer, is there a problem with that description? Each time he is using intuitive guesses derived from the sub-collective unconscious to approximate a pertainent answer - a transpersonal, cohesive story, or gestalt stream of consciousness, that addresses a given question given the severe limitations of Anka's experience. And this thread *is* about theories, and theoretical development, yet you have dragged in non-theories to support some straw-man idea about validity of non theories. Gotta love it.