(01-03-2009, 08:23 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote: ...I am interested in discussing how others integrate the Law of One teachings with their other spiritual practices...do you adhere to a religion? Did you experience conflicts with your religion, or were you able to integrate the LOO teachings seamlessly...perhaps adding fullness of understanding to your chosen spiritual path? Or are the LOO teachings the foundation of your spiritual path?

(01-03-2009, 09:57 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: For me, ever since I boiled down the LOO material as being a basic unit of love and truth, I've always compared religions and dogmas to the LOO, instead of adhering a religion to the LOO. I feel that if someone really resonates with the LOO, it is likely they are using religion for other purposes. Perhaps someone enjoys the social aspect of religion. Or another may enjoy the ceremony protocol. For others it could very well be a type of "comfort food" that strikes a chord with childhood.

I have just never run into anyone who is a devout [name your religion], but also a scholor or enthusiast of the LOO principles. That's why I think many people equate the LOO material to something like a dogma, even though most of us realize it's not.

Steve

(01-03-2009, 09:57 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: For me, ever since I boiled down the LOO material as being a basic unit of love and truth, I've always compared religions and dogmas to the LOO, instead of adhering a religion to the LOO.

(01-08-2009, 01:12 AM)Lavazza Wrote: Great thread!

I completely agree that religion is basically just another path to the creator. And I really like Steve's comparison to the rainbow The unfortunate thing about religion though is that it's been manipulated over the years, at least the western religions have. And then you get things like the idea of eternal damnation, intolerance of gays, and all of that. And on the extreme side you have crusades and terrorist acts. But on the whole, I think religion is good for humanity.

I don't think you'll run in to too many people who embrace both religion and the LOO teachings though. Religions tend to like to be the only authority on the spirit. That's not to say that a religious person couldn't act in accordance with the LOO of course, they just wouldn't be aware of it.

(01-08-2009, 02:57 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: I love your response.. It really drives home where I was fumbling for words... Thank you!

Steve

(01-03-2009, 08:23 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: This session really delves into the essence of the world's major religions, and why some people are attracted to a certain religion, while others might be attracted to another...and how the Law of One compares and contrasts with the various religions.

I don't see the Law of One as a religion at all, though it is a philosophy which I have chosen as the foundation for my own personal spiritual path.

Recently, a friend (who happens to belong to a Christian) asked me how both could be valid paths...I replied that I think of the various religions as being branches on a tree...but the Law of One being the tree...reaching deep into the Earth and high into the Heavens, in pursuit of Truth.

I am interested in discussing how others integrate the Law of One teachings with their other spiritual practices...do you adhere to a religion? Did you experience conflicts with your religion, or were you able to integrate the LOO teachings seamlessly...perhaps adding fullness of understanding to your chosen spiritual path? Or are the LOO teachings the foundation of your spiritual path?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_1110.aspx

Please see also 2007.11.10. which is related.

(06-10-2009, 05:55 AM)Taha Wrote: Regarding the quote; most religious people I've met say exactly the same thing! "I see everyone else as belonging to a branch of the truth, but we're the tree itself, reaching deep into the..." (edited by moderator)

(06-10-2009, 06:39 PM)Taha Wrote: (I can't remember what got edited out, but it must have been dumb). I see your points Monica, though what I meant was not that I thought you were doing the same thing, just that most strongly religious people I've met all say the same thing, ie., "Ours is the tree, the others are branches". I think spirituality is a different matter, and as you say, many find TLo1 in a way by living the best principles of their religion.

(11-02-2009, 01:35 PM)kylissa Wrote: Wow, there are lots of truly outstanding quotes by Q'uo in this session.. adding onto the list:

"the system of demarcation of human and divine takes its flavor from the male energy of the God-name involved..."

"If the seeker is aware that he is seeking his deepest self, then there is no other, there is only a growing desire to lay aside each mask, each husk, and each trait of personality that veils from him the deepest truth of his nature. "

"There are those among your mystical groups, as well as individuals who do not function as part of a group, who abnegate words and choose the way of silence. Over a period of time the habit of silence decreases the difficulty of absorbing the outrage of paradox. And such silent souls smile at the sophistry of words which separate and logic which delineates and divides to no good purpose, spiritually speaking. Yet we would not encourage you to become recluses. We would encourage you to embrace paradox and mystery. We would encourage you to continue your journey upon the surface of life, knowing that it, too, is perfect in its way, even with all the masks, all the confusions and all the misunderstandings and limitations of dealing with each other and with circumstances which occur in everyday life. For third density was not designed to be a quiet and steady dive to the center of self. It was designed to be turbulent, as the shaker that breaks rocks into pieces or large pieces of ceramic into small pieces of ceramic, polishing them and shaping them by friction and impact. To come at the action intended in third density another way, we could use the figure of the fiery furnace which tempers and strengthens the brittle, callow young soul so that it becomes an instrument of great flexibility and strength."

"the conscious mind, with its rational and logical nature, has a deep distrust and dislike of paradox. And it is certainly paradoxical to say both that the surface self is real and that the deepest and most unitary expression of self is real. Yet that is what we say, knowing that it is a paradox and a mystery."

"all of nature is one with you. And all of nature is full of that information which harmonizes with your desires and sets up patterns of attraction and coincidence. And all of spirit is one with you as well. All that is unseen and not of nature but of spirit conspires to speak with you in silence, singing into your life those silent melodies of truth and beauty."

(01-03-2009, 09:57 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:

(01-03-2009, 08:23 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote:

Quote:I have just never run into anyone who is a devout [name your religion], but also a scholor or enthusiast of the LOO principles.

Quote:We have spoken many times about this journey inward. We have spoken about that surface of life that is consensus reality which, rather than being earth, has more of the quality of the ocean, liquid, penetrable, deep, and capable of being entered by the diver who dives deep, perhaps to gather pearls from the ocean’s floor and to bring up those precious pearls to store away in the treasure house.

Quote:When we dip below the waves of everyday life and begin to open ourselves to the feelings and sensations which are being broadcast to us, in a roundabout way from a distressed brain, we enter a very unusual world. What is it like and how do we move around in this place?

The world of mind has a freedom we can never achieve in daily life. Within, it is as though we are suspended in three-dimensional space like a scuba diver suspended between the bottom and the surface. Unlike the diver, however, we can move in any direction without having to use our arms and legs. We move simply by taking thought and shifting ourselves as though we were a subject in a fantasy. We can move toward, or away from, inner things. We can go deeper or shallower or, if we wish, leave the water entirely.

We can examine inner objects and processes with our senses and our intuition in the same way we would if we were attending to an external world event.

We are alive to that which we encounter within us, in the same way that we are to what is outside us. We can be guided by the same responses. We are, however, infinitely more mobile, moving slowly, or if we wish, moving like lightning. We can even sit up and open our eyes during a therapy experience and thereby disengage from our inner world. ....
Unlike the outer world, we cannot always rely on the inner world remaining solid and separate from us. It is here in this issue that we may be overwhelmed and unable to control what is happening. We have the age-old knowledge of our race that something in the depths of our mind might move beyond our control, thus making us mortally afraid. What we are observing in the inner world (a dream image for instance) might suddenly come toward us and overwhelm our ability to stay separate from it.

Thus human beings fear loss of control as much as they fear anything. We are afraid that we may be overtaken by a feeling which is so large that we will have to act on it ....

I believe, however, that serious breakdown can be avoided by following the cautions that have already been and will be outlined.

Once we have submerged from the surface of our daytime self, we find ourselves suspended in our three-dimensional world. We encounter the communications we have spoken of earlier. SPECIFIC BODY SENSATIONS like spikes of coral brush against us. DIFFUSE INNER BODY STATES come and go like dark shadows around us. Feelings make themselves known like layers of water at different temperatures. Images move beside us like aquatic creatures, and IMAGE SEQUENCES pass before our eyes like schools of fish.

The difference between the undersea world of the self and the undersea world of the ocean is, of course, that everything we see in the undersea world of the self has been projected into it from within the depth of our own mind. This is a symbolic world and because it comes from deep within us, it all has meaning for us. We feel the puzzlement and the tidal pull of these potential meanings, and we know we are in a place which will speak to us if only we can learn how to listen.

With our undersea senses, we can open ourselves to become aware of our inner distress. We feel the ache in our neck, we sense the diffuse upset and nausea in our bowel. We become aware of the constriction in our chest a dark, inner, pain-radiating landscape becomes visible around us.

If we are, for instance, submerged within the sea of our inner world, and once there we feel an unusually powerful fear of criticism, this exaggerated concern is a fear which does not have real existence in the world. We have projected it from our deeper self into the sea around us where we can now move toward it, or withdraw from it.

(01-05-2010, 12:57 AM)Questioner Wrote: I see a discrepancy: the first post is credited to Monica, but this quote cites DreamingPeace.

(01-05-2010, 12:57 AM)Questioner Wrote: Wouldn't Carla count, as a devout metaphysical Christian and, certainly, a scholar and enthusiast of the Law of One?

(01-04-2010, 02:55 PM)litllady Wrote: I found the OT god image to not be god at all. ... The LOO allowed me to look with reason into the Bible, instead of just accepting it. Once I did this, I could see God in certain places and in other places I saw ways of man.

(01-04-2010, 02:55 PM)litllady Wrote: The LOO also allowed me to find God in all religions, as well as find ways of man in all religions.

(01-04-2010, 02:55 PM)litllady Wrote: The LOO helped me move away from the fear that my childhood religion placed in me.

(01-04-2010, 02:55 PM)litllady Wrote: All the while I was not alone...I always was given comfort through this transition.

(01-04-2010, 02:55 PM)litllady Wrote: Instead of having comfort from other humans I began receiving comfort from my higher self and the Holy Spirit. Its nothing less then magnificent and miraculous.