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Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
Last night while browsing, I found a thread that seems to have since been erased...?
I believe there was a request for discussion about how this forum could more closely emulate a 4D environment. Not exactly sure if that was it... but I think it was the general gist.
Anyhow, I had some discussion to contribute. So I will make it here.
In a word: Transparency.
If, for example, it were possible for every member to view every other member's activity in the forum... not just their posts, but actually which threads they were reading and their actual navigation path through the forum... then it would be simple to discern who was lurking, who was trolling, and who was actually creeping and stalking other members.
Similarly, if we were to take the "P" out of the "PM" system and instead every message that was sent between members was transparently available for all other members to see, then it would be clear who were the gossips, the trash-talkers, the instigators, and the manipulators, all the while attempting to present a false front or playing the "innocent victim" in the public side of the forum.
Of course, this will probably never happen. Nor am I suggesting it as a real possibility. Just musing out loud about what would make this forum more 4D-like.
Yet, I would surmise this paucity of honesty is precisely why we are here in this 3D environment, and not in a 4D environment where all of these things would be completely transparent, and where there would be no "behind the scenes" from which people could be pulling strings, playing two sides against the middle, gossiping and trash-talking, and engaging in other forms of spiritually adolescent behaviors.
If we were capable of behaving ourselves in 4D environment- we would be in one, rather than here in this environment, playing "hide n seek" with each other in this childish fashion, and complaining about why we need to follow all these "stupid rules."
Consider this... it is even possible for two 4D entities to have a conversation about a third 4D party without the third-party knowing about it?
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
I'd have nothing to hide if my PM's were made public, though I'd probably be heavily judged by my past.
RE: Forum Transparency - Ruth - 01-14-2013
Interesting concept.
Can't you already see who is browsing a thread? Seems I recall seeing that somewhere - oh, I see now. It tells you at the top of a particular forum who is there at the moment, but not the individual thread. I know you can see who is in the chat room from the home page.
I find it best to just assume that there will be adolescent behaviors in any public forum, and I can choose to participate or to withdraw.
I always appreciate your thoughtful posts, Tenet Nosce.
RE: Forum Transparency - Cyan - 01-14-2013
Agree as a good first step
RE: Forum Transparency - norral - 01-14-2013
i dont like the idea. not that i have anything to hide i dont . i dont criticize and gossip not my style. i think pms are just that personal messages. i dont really want to know what others are saying its their business. if they have stuff to say let them. we arent perfect here we are human. i believe as humans we need to express some negativity , just to look at it , and then of our own accord to say you know what that wasnt right i wont do that again. if everyone could see everything we would be forced to be something we arent at the current moment. so i think there is value in stuff that we might look at and say that was gossip or whatever. and i definitely dont want to know everything going on behind the scenes. it just feels like the thought police to me. just being honest no offense meant here tenet.
norral
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 06:17 PM)norral Wrote: it just feels like the thought police to me. just being honest no offense meant here tenet.
No offense taken. But perhaps you missed this:
Tenet Nosce Wrote:Nor am I suggesting it as a real possibility. Just musing out loud about what would make this forum more 4D-like.
If your thoughts being transparent to others sounds too "oppressive" to you... then it's a good thing you are here in 3D where they can be hidden from others.
In 4D- there is no such veil. That's the point. We don't have the luxury to be jerkfaces at one moment, say "whoops I will never do THAT again," and then turn around and be jerkfaces again in the next moment, and then get pissy and indignant when somebody calls us out over it.
That's why we need a certain degree of alignment in order to pass into the higher realms. Being overly wishy-washy, moody, up again/down again, now you see me/now you don't, doesn't fly so well in those places.
RE: Forum Transparency - Cyan - 01-14-2013
Thats why 4d beginning is lonely if you've used to be the jerkface.
RE: Forum Transparency - Shin'Ar - 01-14-2013
I think there's another upside to this as well Tenet.
It seems that the forum is losing alot of its interest and actual communication, at least from the open boards.
Is this because there is so much going on behind the scenes, as you say, with members having discussions via PMs and private chats?
I don't have a problem with that. If that is how people want to communicate that is their choice, but it doesn't do the board any favors.
With regard to the gossiping and the little groups that support each other and probably spend more time judging someone who thinks differently than they do, I think that those types know who they are, and also know how that really is not the loving, sharing face of harmony and light;nor is it open minded. But let's face it, it is as natural as peeing in the toilet. If they do it in the PMs here and lose that option, they're just gonna be emailing each other with the same sort of gossip and judging.
I don't have any hopes of changing that behavior, but I do think that your proposal would go along way to having more discussions held on the boards to keep it a place of lively discussion, rather than have the board slowly disappear into the oblivion of nothin' left to say.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
what an interesting concept. kinda like OZ Em City, glass cells so everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
i think it's a little fear based though. i don't care if people trash talk about me behind my back so long as i don't need to see it. everyone has a right to vent and seek support. everyone has a right to have human moments like that.
RE: Forum Transparency - reeay - 01-14-2013
Is there a forum out there, where total transparency is required?
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
There was one forum I was a member of where the owners checked everyone's pm's, and banned people based on what they said in PM.
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 06:59 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Is this because there is so much going on behind the scenes, as you say, with members having discussions via PMs and private chats?
I don't have a problem with that. If that is how people want to communicate that is their choice, but it doesn't do the board any favors.
I wasn't really coming at it from that angle. But now that you mention it- yes speaking for myself some of the most interesting/productive discussions I have had lately have been through PMs. Sometimes I know that if I say X, Y, or Z in a thread that somebody (could be anybody) will take it the wrong way, and then a whole side-discussion will ensue and derail the thread.
Quote:But let's face it, it is as natural as peeing in the toilet. If they do it in the PMs here and lose that option, they're just gonna be emailing each other with the same sort of gossip and judging.
Well you are right. That's why it's really not a practical suggestion. But I would challenge the notion that it is "natural" for people to do this. People are taught to do this- and it has become so common that we take it as "natural" to gossip and trash-talk other people. The question is- if we were no longer able to do this behind closed doors... would we still being do it?
Again- given what we are told about the level of transparency in 4D... well then let's put two and two together and see the writing on the wall insofar as why we are not yet 4D beings. It's OK for us to be where we're at... but then let's dispense with all the angst and frustration about why we haven't been harvested or "ascended" to 4D.
It should be clear why we are still here. We are still interested in playing our little 3D games of "hide n seek" with each other. We don't want to be in a totally transparent environment... which is exactly what 4D is.
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
I think somewhere inside me I'm much more for being transparent than being separated. I don't like the feeling of separation from other beings at all. What could be holding us back? Is it the collective karma of the planet that everyone must overcome?
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: what an interesting concept. kinda like OZ Em City, glass cells so everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
LOL- ya except in the Emerald City everything was transparent... except for OZ behind the curtain. I'm talking about transparency in all directions.
Quote:i don't care if people trash talk about me behind my back so long as i don't need to see it. everyone has a right to vent and seek support. everyone has a right to have human moments like that.
Sure, but venting and seeking support are different from trash talking and gossip.
I could say-- gee Shin'Ar I really have some energy on Oceania after her post... can you help me work though it? That is ONE thing.
It's another thing entirely to say... Pssst! Hey Shin'Ar... OMG you will never believe what Oceania said over here in this thread. What a beeeeeaaaaaatch! And then Shin'Ar goes over to that thread and starts responding to your posts, trying to goad you, all the while you have no clue that he and I were just talking about you behind your back.
Or... OMG GW you poor thing. I can't believe the way that Shin'Ar spoke to you in that thread. He is such an asshat! Even norral told me so..
[EDITORIAL NOTE: I wasn't actually calling Shin'Ar an asshat.]
That's what I'm referring to. And it can get really ugly when people in the background start to come to their own "private consensus" about some third-party who wasn't even graced with the courtesy to tell them that their entire personhood and character was up on the chopping block in PM-land.
Anyway the idea was that... IF we were in fourth density... these types of things would already be transparent, so therefore in terms of how to make this forum- or any forum for that matter- more 4D-like yes I would say it would have to begin and end with total transparency.
If there is some kind of "veil" where everybody can't see what everybody else is doing, then it can't be 4D-ish.
(01-14-2013, 07:37 PM)rie Wrote: Is there a forum out there, where total transparency is required?
Not that I'm aware of.
(01-14-2013, 08:00 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I think somewhere inside me I'm much more for being transparent than being separated. I don't like the feeling of separation from other beings at all. What could be holding us back? Is it the collective karma of the planet that everyone must overcome?
Who knows- it could be a lot of reasons. Probably a lot to do with self-judgment. But then there is also this... from a FB post I saw earlier:
Quote:Telephone Scam attempt this morning...
Unlisted Caller: "Your computer has downloaded an infected file from the internet. This file contains a virus which will damage your data. It is imperative you work with me to resolve before your computer is damaged. Are you in front of your computer so I can fix this for you?"
Hmm... I wonder what would happen if people put half the effort into making positive contributions to the world as they do into coming up with elaborate scams, schemes, and manipulations...?
Is it really "human nature" to act like a bunch of baboons? Like... did somebody splice in the baboon gene which compels us to say... hey you go distract that guy while I steal his banana... then I will split his banana with you, and we can both laugh at that stupid guy while we eat his banana... and then we will smack our asses at him as we run away.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
i think in 4D all your feelings are going to be transparent, so we need to stop lying to ourselves. i just realized why i've been *ahem* controversial lately... my dear friend Monica helped me understand that. it was because i felt this newfound honesty crawl through me and out of me. this need to be free to say anything, so that i can always trust that when i say something nice it is indeed honest and not in any way from pressure to be nice... but my own desire to be nice, that is is the purest form of niceness. completely from my own heart. if you knew what it's like inside my head you'd know what that means to me.
maybe the 4D light will force more honesty out of us than we realize.
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 06:29 PM)Cyan Wrote: Thats why 4d beginning is lonely if you've used to be the jerkface.
Eh... it probably won't take that long for somebody to come by and say... HEY! Jerkface! Why so lonely over there? Come over here and sit by the fire with us. We'll even call it "Camp Jerkface" and paint a sign if you want! Now... tell us your story...
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:03 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(01-14-2013, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: what an interesting concept. kinda like OZ Em City, glass cells so everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
LOL- ya except in the Emerald City everything was transparent... except for OZ behind the curtain. I'm talking about transparency in all directions.
i meant the TV show
HBO's OZ. the theme was that in EM City there is no privacy.
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:15 PM)Oceania Wrote:(01-14-2013, 08:03 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(01-14-2013, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: what an interesting concept. kinda like OZ Em City, glass cells so everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
LOL- ya except in the Emerald City everything was transparent... except for OZ behind the curtain. I'm talking about transparency in all directions.
i meant the TV show
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Never saw it. Sounds interesting though... do you think they will put it on Netflix?
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:15 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Eh... it probably won't take that long for somebody to come by and say... HEY! Jerkface! Why so lonely over there? Come over here and sit by the fire with us. We'll even call it "Camp Jerkface" and paint a sign if you want! Now... tell us your story...
Dude, that has me positively salivating with eagerness to belong. Hope there is telepathy before long. My story is too complex.
You know I think I may have had 2 ET visits last month that I don't remember. I asked to be visited. Those times when the toilet paper rolls suddenly were wet for no reason. I can't explain it any other way.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
pretty sure it's on Netflix lol. it was popular.
i hear you Gemini. telepathy would be nice.
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:13 PM)Oceania Wrote: i think in 4D all your feelings are going to be transparent, so we need to stop lying to ourselves.
Oh yes... and more than that... we will be able to see ourselves with more transparency which means that we will know- without a doubt- that there is only ONE way that we feel about anything... and that way is everything ALL AT ONCE! Take any given subject- any given person- and we would see that we have felt everything about them, at one point or another.
Therefore, there is no reason to lie to ourselves- or to others. You don't have to act lovey-dovey to me all the time in 4D. But you can't pretend like you only feel lovey-dovey toward me, when in fact there are times when you can't stand to be in my presence.
Quote:if you knew what it's like inside my head you'd know what that means to me.
I suppose there is no way for me to fully know. But I think I know what you mean.
Quote:maybe the 4D light will force more honesty out of us than we realize.
It has to. Because when green ray gets activated, it naturally overflows into blue and indigo. It's not the same as having to drag the energy up through orange and yellow when it wants to sink back down.
But if we want to consider why we perhaps "aren't there yet" maybe it has something to do with blocking the blue... because we feel that we can't be honest with each other, because if we were that would mean expressing our TRUE FEELINGS... and we can't possibly do that.. because if we do, then somebody else is going to get hurt or offended.
I think a lot of people think that it is green that is holding us back. That people are not just loving enough. But I would challenge that notion. I see people being loving all over the place. Yes- some with more grace about it than others. But there is all sorts of love in humanity.
What there is a paucity of... is honesty.
So it's a conundrum. We can only learn by trial and error. So keep doing what you are doing and eventually you will get the hang of it.
RE: Forum Transparency - Shin'Ar - 01-14-2013
Please Tenet , stop will ya.
My bladder is bad nuff now without this.
I think I peed myself.
Gotta stop followin ur threads man.
RE: Forum Transparency - Tenet Nosce - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:27 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Please Tenet , stop will ya.
My bladder is bad nuff now without this.
I think I peed myself.
Gotta stop followin ur threads man.
Oh please, don't you now go blaming your incontinence on me. Lay off the brew, old man!
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
yeah it's trial and error i guess. but i don't feel in error, because i embrace the trial period.
i feel excited by this change in me. it's like i've actually become a better person by being a jerkface. because now i feel more genuine in myself. and more clear. that when i feel like saying something nice it's completely out of my free will to do so, instead of pressure to do so. and it feels so good then. it shows me i have good in me after all! not just forced good, but actual good. not good all the time but i'll take what i can get because a little amount of trustworthy goodness is worth more to me than a whole lotta fuzzy goodness that has dodgy origins.
RE: Forum Transparency - reeay - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 07:48 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: There was one forum I was a member of where the owners checked everyone's pm's, and banned people based on what they said in PM.
That is creepy, unless the users knew about this when they agreed to terms and conditions and explicitly stated in the rules/guidelines of the forum!
(01-14-2013, 08:13 PM)Oceania Wrote: i think in 4D all your feelings are going to be transparent, so we need to stop lying to ourselves. i just realized why i've been *ahem* controversial lately... my dear friend Monica helped me understand that. it was because i felt this newfound honesty crawl through me and out of me. this need to be free to say anything, so that i can always trust that when i say something nice it is indeed honest and not in any way from pressure to be nice... but my own desire to be nice, that is is the purest form of niceness. completely from my own heart. if you knew what it's like inside my head you'd know what that means to me.
maybe the 4D light will force more honesty out of us than we realize.
Honesty using anger could be hurtful, too. Coming from a place of wanting to understand/accept other or self thru use of honesty could be very growth-oriented.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
there's too much judgement.
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
(01-14-2013, 08:21 PM)Oceania Wrote: pretty sure it's on Netflix lol. it was popular.
i hear you Gemini. telepathy would be nice.
I experienced telepathy once when working with another being. My 3rd eye projected a video image (sent from the other being) on the wall that I could see with my eyes. Had to get it into focus, but it was visual of flying over a mountain range, and was in color, and I could feel the sensation of flying. Was very peaceful.
I don't know if my meds will shut down my telepathy, but I need to stay on them anyway.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-14-2013
your meds will carry you, hopefully giving you rest. but the telepathy will be there later when you're able to handle being off meds.
RE: Forum Transparency - AnthroHeart - 01-14-2013
Yes, I have rest and am "locked" in positive polarity now. Just as I imagined/experienced the One Infinite Creator having rest.
Now that I presume I had ET visitation, it totally thrills me.
I can only imagine how they comforted me or what else they had helped with.
If they are reading what I am writing, I can't thank them enough.
RE: Forum Transparency - drifting pages - 01-14-2013
Transparency without fully embracing love, is just a whole new level of hate and fear. Or a full breakdown.