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Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - βαθμιαίος - 09-16-2012
This is a fascinating thread that Don failed to pick up on:
Quote:4.9 Questioner: Is it possible for you to instruct in these healing techniques if we could make available an individual who had the native ability?
Ra: I am Ra. It is possible. We must add that many systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus are proper given various mind/body/spirit complexes. We ask your imagination to consider the relative simplicity of the mind in the earlier cycle and the less distorted, but often overly complex, views and thought/spirit processes of the same mind/body/spirit complexes after many incarnations. We also ask your imagination to conceive of those who have chosen the distortion of service and have removed their mind/body/spirit complexes from one dimension to another, thus bringing with them in sometimes totally latent form many skills and understandings which more closely match the distortions of the healing/patient processes.
4.10 Questioner: I would very much like to continue investigation into the possibility of this healing process, but I’m a little lost as to where to begin. Can you tell me what my first step would be?
Ra: I am Ra. I cannot tell you what to ask. I may suggest that you consider the somewhat complex information just given and thus discover several avenues of inquiry. There is one “health,” as you call it, in your polarized environment, but there are several significantly various distortions of types of mind/body/spirit complexes. Each type must pursue its own learn/teaching in this area.
Ra seems to be suggesting three different systems of studying to be a healer, depending on whether the one to be trained demonstrates
- the relative simplicity of the mind in the earlier cycle
- the less distorted, but often overly complex, views and thought/spirit processes of the same mind/body/spirit complexes after many incarnations
- that it is one of those who have chosen the distortion of service and have removed their mind/body/spirit complexes from one dimension to another
Don didn't follow up on this, but instead asked Ra to train himself, Jim, and Carla to become healers. Since the three of them are identified as wanderers in the material, presumably the healing curriculum Ra gives is the one appropriate for wanderers.
I wonder what the curricula for early and late third-density natives would be...
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - zenmaster - 09-16-2012
Holger Kalweit has partially addressed this in his book "Shamans, Healers, and Medicine Men". Meditation and inner journeying is part of the process of healing, for example. The identifiable symbols change, and what constitutes "journeying" changes depending on native density (and probably experience), but the goal of identifying the imbalance and achieving some relative balance is basically the same.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - kycahi - 09-16-2012
"Inner journeying" can be as simple as setting the self onto a healing path of service to others. Accompany that with meditation and allow the unfolding. An individual might find a library book that resonates, or a teacher of a modality just by being open.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-16-2012
If healing is removal of distortion, which often involves teaching, what is the difference between healing and teaching? Ra often refers to healing in the general sense, rather than physical healing, yet they seem to be making a distinction here..
"Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth."
"Contact with indigo ray need not necessarily show itself in any certain gift or guidepost, as you have said. There are some whose indigo energy is that of pure being and never is manifested, yet all are aware of such an entity’s progress. Others may teach or share in many ways contact with intelligent energy. Others continue in unmanifested form, seeking intelligent infinity."
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - βαθμιαίος - 09-16-2012
(09-16-2012, 07:44 PM)Icaro Wrote: If healing is removal of distortion, which often involves teaching, what is the difference between healing and teaching? Ra often refers to healing in the general sense, rather than physical healing, yet they seem to be making a distinction here..
"Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth."
I associate that quote with the higher energy centers. Healers = green ray, teachers = blue ray, workers = indigo ray.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-16-2012
Well conscious healing is a green ray energy, but it is the activation of the 4d body green ray by way of indigo. I imagine we're making the same point.
"If the adept is balancing manifestations it is indeed appropriate to balance universal love and wisdom." Perhaps Ra is saying healers are those who are actively balancing manifestations (utilizing most if not all catalyst/experience), thus healing. Whereas teachers are those who take on the formal role of spiritual discussion.
Why do you associate workers as indigo by the way? In my mind I envision workers as those who are performing functions which strive for equality..yellow activity and a 3d green ray of giving without expectation of return. That will involve healing too of course, since all experience filters up through the centers.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - zenmaster - 09-16-2012
I think he's talking about "light workers".
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - βαθμιαίος - 09-16-2012
Yeah. I'm thinking of things like this:
Quote:58.19 Questioner: There are many people who are now bending metal, doing other things like that by mentally requesting this happen. What is happening in that case?
Ra: I am Ra. That which occurs in this instance may be likened to the influence of the second spiral of light in a pyramid being used by an entity. As this second spiral ends at the apex, the light may be likened unto a laser beam in the metaphysical sense and when intelligently directed may cause bending not only in the pyramid, but this is the type of energy which is tapped into by those capable of this focusing of the upward spiraling light. This is made possible through contact in indigo ray with intelligent energy.
Edit to add: also things like ceremonial magic, planet-aiding visualizations, etc.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-16-2012
That makes more sense.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Plenum - 09-16-2012
my eye was drawn to the latter part of this quote:
Ra Wrote:There is one “health,” as you call it, in your polarized environment, but there are several significantly various distortions of types of mind/body/spirit complexes.
I think Ra is ripping off Tolstoy here -
Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
the interest in healing modalities appears very early on in the Ra sessions. (this session actually). Don seemed to jump all over it when Ra mentioned pyramids and healing. Their concern for Carla is most evident.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Confused - 09-17-2012
(09-16-2012, 09:24 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Yeah. I'm thinking of things like this:
Quote:58.19 Questioner: There are many people who are now bending metal, doing other things like that by mentally requesting this happen. What is happening in that case?
Ra: I am Ra. That which occurs in this instance may be likened to the influence of the second spiral of light in a pyramid being used by an entity. As this second spiral ends at the apex, the light may be likened unto a laser beam in the metaphysical sense and when intelligently directed may cause bending not only in the pyramid, but this is the type of energy which is tapped into by those capable of this focusing of the upward spiraling light. This is made possible through contact in indigo ray with intelligent energy.
Edit to add: also things like ceremonial magic, planet-aiding visualizations, etc.
What is the meaning of the 'second spiral of light', βαθμιαίος?
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - βαθμιαίος - 09-17-2012
(09-17-2012, 12:57 AM)Confused Wrote: What is the meaning of the 'second spiral of light', βαθμιαίος?
It's one of the three spirals of light energy that Ra mentioned in connection with the pyramid:
Quote:58.23...Let us specify the three spirals of light energy which the pyramid exemplifies. Firstly, the fundamental spiral which is used for study and for healing. Second, the spiral to the apex which is used for building. Thirdly, the spiral spreading from the apex which is used for energizing.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-17-2012
And the third spiral seems to be the creative fire.. "If you picture the candle flame, you may see the third spiral."
(09-16-2012, 11:38 PM)plenum Wrote: the interest in healing modalities appears very early on in the Ra sessions. (this session actually). Don seemed to jump all over it when Ra mentioned pyramids and healing. Their concern for Carla is most evident.
That or attempting to satisfy everyone's latent desire to become a wizard!
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Confused - 09-17-2012
(09-17-2012, 07:25 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: It's one of the three spirals of light energy that Ra mentioned in connection with the pyramid:
Thank you very much for taking the time explain!
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Spaced - 09-17-2012
I would suggest that the three spirals are present in the body/spirit/mind complex as well. The first spiral is from root to heart chakra, the second from heart to crown, the third from crown upwards.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - kycahi - 09-17-2012
(09-17-2012, 09:04 AM)Icaro Wrote: That or attempting to satisfy everyone's latent desire to become a wizard!
Expecto patronum!
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Spaced - 09-17-2012
Become a wizard? but I've always been one
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-18-2012
(09-17-2012, 11:15 AM)Spaced Wrote: I would suggest that the three spirals are present in the body/spirit/mind complex as well. The first spiral is from root to heart chakra, the second from heart to crown, the third from crown upwards.
We seem capable of self-initiation. "It is to be noted that a strongly crystallized entity is, in effect, a portable King’s Chamber position." I was always a wizard in Dungeons & Dragons.
(09-17-2012, 11:26 AM)kycahi Wrote: Expecto patronum!
Nerd!
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Patrick - 09-18-2012
(09-18-2012, 09:59 AM)Icaro Wrote:(09-17-2012, 11:26 AM)kycahi Wrote: Expecto patronum!
Nerd!
Sonorus!
May you all bask in the love and in the light of the infinite One.
Quietus
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-18-2012
Sir Nerdlington! (this coming from someone who played D&D)
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Patrick - 09-18-2012
(09-18-2012, 11:18 AM)Icaro Wrote: Sir Nerdlington! (this coming from someone who played D&D)
The universe is an infinite bag of holding.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 09-18-2012
lol
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - AnthroHeart - 09-18-2012
I loved the game Gauntlet. I'd usually play the elf because of its speed or the wizard.
That's funny Patrick.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Spaced - 09-18-2012
If I wanted to play the pedantic nerd I would point out that a bag of holding only has 10 minutes worth of breathable air in it . . . oops too late
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Patrick - 09-18-2012
(09-18-2012, 02:59 PM)Spaced Wrote: If I wanted to play the pedantic nerd I would point out that a bag of holding only has 10 minutes worth of breathable air in it . . . oops too late
We create our own reality... so yours has a couple minutes left.
Cool, I answered your post in time ! You'll get it before it's too late.
Still a couple minutes left for those interested in replying.
EDIT: too late now...
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - Diana - 09-18-2012
(09-16-2012, 08:12 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(09-16-2012, 07:44 PM)Icaro Wrote: If healing is removal of distortion, which often involves teaching, what is the difference between healing and teaching? Ra often refers to healing in the general sense, rather than physical healing, yet they seem to be making a distinction here..
"Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth."
I associate that quote with the higher energy centers. Healers = green ray, teachers = blue ray, workers = indigo ray.
I find there are 2 main different types of teaching. The first is being open to messages and evolving, whereby anything and everything teaches you: the sight of a homeless person, a bird in flight, a pesky behavior mirrored to you, etc.
The second way is consciously teaching. Whenever I have had the opportunity to teach, I learn enormously from the experience on many levels.
As far as teaching healing, I can see it manifest in both ways. If one is healthy, one's energy field alone might teach another body what to do to get healthy. Also, if one is to consciously teach healing, one would want his or her knowledge to be accurate and not just words or assumptions; a level of detailed information known to be accurate and effective would be desired by the teacher once faced with communicating the healing techniques. A simple analogy of this is a creative cook: she just throws ingredients in without measuring, but when asked to teach a class, she must have more accurate information to pass on other than "just throw this or that in."
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - reeay - 10-03-2012
I learned that the first step to becoming a healer and helping others is to first understand that I am "sick" myself, and to engage in own process of healing... A lesson in compassion. (Interestingly the etymology for compassion is com [with] pati [suffer] or to suffer together... but I didn't get a sense that Ra expressed compassion as suffering?).
Then learn to facilitate the process of healing using tools/techniques.
Then learn to transcend the techniques and work from love/light. Transcending technique is like having fewer distortions (e.g., attachment) and helps us to tune into the needs of the other based on their needs, not the technique I may have in my tool box. Technique is in some sense distortion...
Does that make sense?
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 10-03-2012
You've given a good summary rie. Your points on tuning into the needs of others seems to be one of the most important parts of healing, as you want to avoid free-will infringement. There's a great amount of learning available in focusing on getting your self out of the way, so that you can offer yourself based upon what they seem to be asking. We tend to react by casting down opinion from a high place, rather than examining the ways in which we may be lacking, thus being more supportive.
I'm speaking in terms of general human relationships with others. For instance, it's interesting how lifting of the veil simply involves recognition of and acceptance of self by way of our day to day interactions with each other. It has nothing to do with gnostic wisdom, but simply the development of healthy relationships.
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - reeay - 10-04-2012
Exactly Icaro. Having "knowledge" and power creates division through hierarchy, whereas a healing relationship involves merging or being synergistic. To honor and to respect the other self, that this other self is in full access w/ creator, and is knowing of what needs to be done for his/her own growth/development... And being able to offer positively oriented perspective (like a bird's eye view) when the other feels stuck or simply listening, being present, or give a hug etc. etc.... it's like a graceful dance between 2 people where both lead and follow. We creates the space for the person to do what they need to do, and has full confidence that the person's own wisdom knows what he/she needs to do.
What do you mean in your last 2 sentences?
RE: Systems of teach/learning the healing/patient nexus - native - 10-04-2012
Lifting the veil as in polarizing positively. There's the impression that Ra is imparting some sort of highly complex system of knowledge, but other than the tarot, their main message was that we have to express our thoughts about each other honestly, work through our personal boundaries with how we make each other feel, and ultimately find harmony between each other. That's it..that's all that's required to move on.
So I agree that we can get caught up in the knowledge we have learned, which tends to separate us. I've been focusing on the following lately with everyone I encounter.. "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-self, has all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the other-self looks in a mirror seeing itself."