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What if I don't want to be eaten? - Scribe - 06-06-2012
I apologize if this subject has been discussed before but my perspective on it is rather specific and personal so I would rather discuss it again than read over old topics.
#1) A little more than a year ago (before I discovered the LOO material) I read a website by this gnostic-leaning person who claimed that this entire universe and all its worlds, dimensions (densities), etc are quarantined from the rest of creation because the God (logos) of this universe has based his creation upon the principle of "consumption" and that this is the only universe where consumption / eating is allowed. And that as long as one keeps reincarnating here one will never be free even if one "ascends". Advanced (higher density) beings are just bigger, more powerful and evolved eaters. Unfortunately, I lost the link to this website and haven't been able to find it again...there was some very fascinating stuff there, it's a lot more complex than my poorly recalled description.
#2) Along the same lines we have the Pleadians' "Bringers of the Dawn" claiming that our logos created us so that he can feed off of our love (in contrast to the STS beings who feed off of our fear, claimed by the Pleadians to be a perversion, but of course they are biased).
#3) And lastly there is the little fact that the fundamental focus of the Law of One message is an event called "The Harvest" which seems to correspond to the general new age concept of ascension, only with more fleshed-out details about who gets to ascend, why they get to ascend, and where they are ascending to. So if its an ascension, why call it "harvest"? Ra is always very specific with his words so as to minimize misunderstanding. And we all know that a harvest, in human terms, is where we gather ripe fruit so that we can eat it. In this new context of the LOO Harvest, we are the fruit, obviously. But who is planning to eat us?
I'm sure if one is a STO being, whatever the "being eaten" represents will be seen as a desirable outcome. A merging with one's higher self, or something along those lines. A good thing, not something to be afraid of, like a mouse fears being eaten by a cat.
But what if I don't want to be eaten? Do I even have a choice? Would I be better off seeking an exit from the entire "eating-verse" and dwell among creations of an exclusively eternal nature? How can I even answer that question without knowing if I wanted to come here, or if this entire universe is a trap designed to make me desire to stay in it?
Ever since I started asking myself these questions I can find no peace and make no spiritual progress because I'm afraid to even begin to seek out my higher self or any spiritual power that might be able to help me remember why I'm here. Because I don't know how high up the ladder the deception goes...I don't know what the game is anymore or whose side I'm supposed to be on.
This is not supposed to be a criticism of the LOO material...I think it is the truest-feeling thing I've ever found, despite my misgivings about this subject. I'm just stuck in a knot of fear and need some intellectual support and this is the only place I can think of where someone might understand what the heck I'm talking about. Or maybe I'm just crazy
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Eddie - 06-06-2012
Don Juan Matus (via Carlos Castaneda) addressed the very question of how to avoid this. If you read all of Castaneda's books from the first one up through The Eagle's Gift, you'll know the answer.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 06-06-2012
My friend, here is what it all comes down to.
YOU choose what is true. You choose what is Truth to you.
I have come across materials that very thoroughly demonstrate that all within this entire universe, with all the densities, are in a prison. It's somewhat similar to what you are saying.
Now put yourself in the place of STS entities. What information would bring the most subtle fears, the most subtle block into your spiritual progression ? You will find that such materials that you and I have read subtly falls into such materials designed for you to end up in fear.
The good news is, you truly choose your reality. So all you have to do is release what you do not resonate with. And if what you resonate with brings you fear, then you could ask yourself why. Answering this question will open up an opportunity to align yourself with another set of Truths that brings you peace and joy instead.
I know that it may sound too simple, but that's really how things are. That is the true meaning of free-will. All is possible and you can always choose, because in reality there are no paradoxes.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Diana - 06-06-2012
(06-06-2012, 01:43 PM)Eddie Wrote: Don Juan Matus (via Carlos Castaneda) addressed the very question of how to avoid this. If you read all of Castaneda's books from the first one up through The Eagle's Gift, you'll know the answer.
Yes. The "Eagle" being the representation of what "eats" awareness. I recommend reading all the books.
Also, there is another thread here I can't find at the moment about the Borg, which addresses this concept from a slightly different angle.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Scribe - 06-06-2012
(06-06-2012, 01:50 PM)Patrick Wrote: My friend, here is what it all comes down to.
Thank you for that clarity.
I don't resonate with the whole "eating-verse" concept (which is indeed very similar to the prison-verse idea), its more like mental hooks into primal fears (2d survival instincts?) combined with residual religious mental knots (I was raised fundamentalist and have only not been one for 2 years).
I feel like so much of an alien here in this world that sometimes I think I'm not even from this universe and then I'm afraid I will never find my way back to where I belong. I suppose that's a fairly common fear too...
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 06-06-2012
I feel you my friend.
You are working through your fears and are nearing the completion of this work. I did something similar in the recent past. For me it all clicked into place when I realized that Truth is subjective. This simple statement is infinite in meaning. It opens the door to All That Is. It is what frees you and all other selves completely.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Scribe - 06-06-2012
Amusingly, believing that the truth truly is subjective is one of my biggest mental blocks. My religious fears make me feel like admitting to myself that truth is subjective is like an open door for all the dementors and specters to rush through and eat me and the whole world...because if truth is subjective then meaning is subjective which means there is no meaning to anything at all!
And on the flip side there's the parable of the prince and the magician which resonates with me deeply and says to me that the truth being subjective is a good thing. Because it means I can create whatever I want without being subject to the limitations of my shaped-by-earth-life mind. Its ok for meaning to be subjective because we are the creators of meaning.
Eventually the power of the latter perspective should reach a level sufficient to achieve escape velocity from the gravity of my fears...unfortunately my daily life tends to reinforce said fears regularly...
The ironic thing is, as long as I'm afraid I'm probably enabling exactly what I said I'm afraid of...being fed on
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 06-06-2012
I was raised in the Catholic faith with all of what this entails. At the highest point of working through those fears, I was actually reading a book on exorcism. Imagine that! And I was visited nightly by negative entities or though-forms, which were feeding off of my lower chakras. My legs and feet were incredibly cold. At one point in all of this I chose Love and Acceptance instead of fear and anxiety. It wasn't automatic, it was a process.
So I started letting them feed off of me and actually increased the light/love I fed them with, but instead of being a victim I was doing this out of love and acceptance. Sometimes my feet even regained their warmth while they were still there.
They stopped a little while after I started doing that. Either this new energy was not to their taste or like Ra said, Love is all the protection one needs.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Scribe - 06-06-2012
I wish I could figure out what was feeding off of me...do I have to just love everything in general?
Or more difficultly...love myself.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - AnthroHeart - 06-06-2012
(06-06-2012, 02:08 PM)Scribe Wrote: I feel like so much of an alien here in this world that sometimes I think I'm not even from this universe and then I'm afraid I will never find my way back to where I belong. I suppose that's a fairly common fear too...
A fear of mine too. The fear that I can never go home.
I believe though that we create or shift through billions of different universes every second. So we're constantly moving through Universes, and this creates the illusion of movement.
Though I've not had a problem loving myself, or really others. I've still dealt with my fair share of fears. Some really intense ones.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Scribe - 06-06-2012
When I was a Christian I used to find the credits song from "The Two Towers" that says "we are lost, we can never go home" really creepy especially since I believed it applied to billions of people that I felt compassion for...and maybe even myself since I was never entirely sure of my own "salvation."
Now that I have various more resonant teachings like LOO I actually am less afraid that I won't ever find my way home, because the idea of being a wanderer seems to come with the idea that someone sent you here and will be waiting for you to come back...and even if I somehow manage to completely mess things up and get karmically required to go through another 3D cycle, that's still only a temporary thing and we presumably get to reconnect with our complete soul memory "library" after each incarnation to be reminded of who we really are and where home is...
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - AnthroHeart - 06-06-2012
Scribe,
You might like the song Umbrella Beach by Owl City.
It has a line that says "Home will always be here."
I think it has an awesome beat too.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 06-06-2012
(06-06-2012, 04:08 PM)Scribe Wrote: I wish I could figure out what was feeding off of me...do I have to just love everything in general?
Or more difficultly...love myself.
I would start with my Self. The rest will follow...
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Unbound - 06-06-2012
We seek within.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - TheFifty9Sound - 06-06-2012
Everything begins and ends in mystery.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - godwide_void - 06-06-2012
Resistance to this scenario as you present it is quite futile considering that the Creator will devour all aspects of Itself in the sublime and systematic manner in which It will. It is not however akin to the ingestion of foreign matter; it is moreso a reintegration, an involution, an imminent assimilation back into the very source which has given rise to all forms and all circumstance, for what will be 'eaten' are merely parts of Itself, not matter from without. The very ability of free will which you just used to contemplate this concept and subsequently form the opinion that it is undesirable and you'd rather escape this fate exists solely due to the one which would be enacting the devourment of your form and all forms, which are essentially Its forms. The very act of eating exists only because It does. Considering this notion, It is at liberty and holds every right to do such a thing, which it will, as it always has, and always will.
I apologize if I come off as being very frank in my response, but you will eventually merge, be harvested, or "be eaten" as you'd like to call it. It is not a matter of "if", but "when".
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - hogey11 - 06-06-2012
I want to propose a possibility; a parallel lesson I have learnt in this incarnation just recently. I would propose that rather than being 'eaten' by the higher density, instead we may be built upon from where we are at. Let me try to provide an analogy: My daughter recently turned 1 year old. In this past year what I have found out is that her existence hasn't taken away from any part of my being; it has only added upon. I still love all the things I used to just as I did before; that doesn't mean that I get to do those things as often as before, but my appreciation still remains. In the face of this, the love that I experience through my stewardship as a parent has easily matched (if not multiplied) the 'good' that previously existed in my life.
Maybe this is what Harvest will be? We will all be taken, but we will be taken exactly where we want to be. Your final destination will change depending on how evolved you have become; just like the steps of light that Ra speaks of. However, one possibility in my mind is that the 'eating-verse' is really the planet's evolution. I read somewhere the idea that the whole 'harvest' or 'ascension' thing is really tied into the earth's evolution to a 4D entity, and that she/they were taking everyone with them as a 'free ride' to the higher density plane/sphere. The only reason I can accept this as a possibility is that if this were to happen and anybody felt like you are expressing here and they happened to find themselves in 4D and weren't sure that was best for them, the ability to come back as a wanderer to a 3D incarnation would be perfectly possible. However, both Ra and Q'uo have been much clearer than that explanation regarding mechanics with the harvest; my only question is about the harvest of the planet itself. Ra was never very good at providing information that wasn't directly asked for...
I think the prison idea has an element of truth to it, but in that dichotomy everything is a prison. Your marriage, your family, your house, your identity - all of these are agreements that can be left on the wayside if you choose to. I think it's up to us to decide if we want to see it as a prison or instead as a place to explore. Watching a 1 year old has helped me greatly in this way; as Jesus said "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." If we agree to explore the 'prison', I think we find out that closets are really hallways and rooms lead to entire wings. Until the One Infinite Creator discovers the end to itself, we're here to do what we can and carve out a niche. It's up to us from there.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Oldern - 06-07-2012
Eating implies a lot of things. When one eats, there is digesting, there is distilling, there is taking the number two after
Absorbing, however, is a way more positive term for what is actually happening, imho.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Shin'Ar - 06-09-2012
(06-06-2012, 01:35 PM)Scribe Wrote: But what if I don't want to be eaten? Do I even have a choice? Would I be better off seeking an exit from the entire "eating-verse" and dwell among creations of an exclusively eternal nature? How can I even answer that question without knowing if I wanted to come here, or if this entire universe is a trap designed to make me desire to stay in it?
Did 'YOU' worry about being stepped on when 'you' were a stone?
Did 'YOU' worry about being chopped down when 'you' were a tree?
Did 'YOU' worry about being preyed on when 'you' were a deer?
Is it that now that 'you' have evolved, and you are aware, that you now think in your human form that you need to suddenly begin worrying about is going to happen to 'you'?
This 'YOU' of which you speak; who is it? What is this 'you' that is suddenly aware and doing this speculating and worrying?
This 'you' that are so worried about now, has been experiencing this universe for countless millenium, in many forms; higher and lower.
So why do you suppose it is only now, in this very temporary form, that you feel the need to suddenly begin worrying?
Your exit is not one into a hiding place of separation from the rest of creation. The exit you need to acquire is the portal via which the real 'you' leaves the temporary behind and becomes aware of the 'illusion' that is doing all of this worrying.
It is this temporary identity which your true entity uses which is causing it to think as 'you'. The reality is that as an evolving consciousness 'you' cannot be eaten in any ways that you can suppose. The consciousness which you are exists in such a manner that it is divinely connected to the One and the All, and therefore exists on all levels of experience via that connection.
Whatever you are supposing to be eating 'you' is nothing more than your own delusional self. You do not need to run and hide, that is what you have been doing all along in this delusional identity.
Now it is time to become aware of the true 'you', and come out of delusion.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Shin'Ar - 06-11-2012
Does Light worry about how far it will travel into the void?
Does the void worry about being exposed by the Light?
Our true identity exists in the Being of the Process caught between the two.
If there is no worry from infinite to infinite, then why do we invent it within our own ignorance of what is possible? it is nothing more than our experience of the vulnerable temporaility of our physical state of being, and the lack we have to truly comprehend it.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Spaced - 07-16-2012
Personally, I think being eaten is an excellent end for a physical vehicle. The body nourishes life and the spirit continues on. Nothing is lost. Everything is used to it's full potential.
I find burial methods that intend to preserve the body with chemicals and protect it from worms and other creatures quite strange. We are part of the food chain, and that isn't a bad thing.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Aaron - 07-28-2012
(07-16-2012, 12:58 PM)Spaced Wrote: Personally, I think being eaten is an excellent end for a physical vehicle. The body nourishes life and the spirit continues on. Nothing is lost. Everything is used to it's full potential.
I find burial methods that intend to preserve the body with chemicals and protect it from worms and other creatures quite strange. We are part of the food chain, and that isn't a bad thing.
Haha oh my god!! I never thought of it that way! That is a very service to others way to go, isn't it? Not necessarily being eaten ALIVE... But what you said about everything being used to its full potential resonates with me.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - BrownEye - 08-15-2012
Weird to think that all creatures are formed from the dust of the planet. Then they move around eating varieties of the formations. Kind of like the planet is in a permanent state of devouring itself. Guess it might be an analogy of spirit as well. I think of myself as a really cool form of artificial intelligence. I believe my body is me, but it isn't. I believe my soul is me, but it isn't. So what the heck ami? I assume "I am" the illusion.
And as i posted this i receive this message. Synchronicities are like cosmic jokes.
Quote: I read a post about this guy that claims he was abducted by aliens. They said they were coming back for everyone in 2015.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - alicewhite - 08-15-2012
hi scribe , this poem might answer your question, early leaders corrupted the bible in order to enslave and maintain the upper hand through fear, and who wrote the bible, and how do you know its truth, my truth may be found in thousands of years time and venerated just the same as may anyones, its only the truth if you believe it, there is no harvest other than the harvest of control
ARK ANIMAL CAGED
by alicewhite
hi, this is a poem i wrote about things i see happening within our society, about the wrongs being perpetrated by the few to the many.
Ark animal caged
planetary zoo.
disengaged soul
awoken by who?
Eye Noahs hark,
the herald angels sing,
gloria glory to the new born king,
message, listen, creator renew,
illuminate new life,
Kings unto you.
creation unshackled ,unchained,
human race, Noahs ark, data base,
white rabbit run, cant be late,
run straight to the important date,
where your destiny's written in slate.
time waits for no man,
but fate waits for Gods lamb in heaven
with wide open gates.
weary, bleary and teary eyed,
enlightened enraged
am i here? have i died?
three bars i see, i see, i see,
transparent, transpired, trinity, iniquity?
required, desired, retired within me.
the father,the sun
and the holy ghost,
my keeper soul reaper prison WAR = DEN
and host.
where now the ring master, die caster
of clay and plaster?
he runs now much faster
as my eye Alice tumbles after,
to underland? Wonderland? Understand?.
Underhand, slight of hand
fools the FREEMAN,
God given rites
sacrificed ,
decieved
not by
christ.
.
See MONSTER
Sea MONSTER
not law of land,
black MAGICK?
black LAW?
man ? beast? priest?
forehead, palm of hand.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - caycegal - 10-02-2012
This is a great thread, very fun and interesting to read.
I sometimes think of God being infinite and eternal, and so what is the primary need? Some form of entertainment, I would think. So God breaks himself/herself up into little pieces and creates elaborate games (like video games?) for entertainment.
We are in the midst of one of these games. We are the game, we are the pieces or characters, and, or course, we are also God.
According to LOO, God created a complex hierarchy as part of one game, and within that game there are captains and subcaptains, each in charge of his/her own game, with its own rules.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Karl - 10-17-2012
I'm pretty sure the point of existence is to fart around and then learn from it. Bad judgement leads to good experience which leads to good judgement eventually. So no matter what you do you'll still learn from it. Granted there are consequences so don't be stupid. End of opinion/belief-system sharing.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 10-17-2012
Of course, 3d life is supposed to be fun. But on this planet we have other selves who are having fun removing the fun of others.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Cyan - 10-17-2012
(06-06-2012, 02:58 PM)Scribe Wrote: Amusingly, believing that the truth truly is subjective is one of my biggest mental blocks. My religious fears make me feel like admitting to myself that truth is subjective is like an open door for all the dementors and specters to rush through and eat me and the whole world...because if truth is subjective then meaning is subjective which means there is no meaning to anything at all!
And on the flip side there's the parable of the prince and the magician which resonates with me deeply and says to me that the truth being subjective is a good thing. Because it means I can create whatever I want without being subject to the limitations of my shaped-by-earth-life mind. Its ok for meaning to be subjective because we are the creators of meaning.
Eventually the power of the latter perspective should reach a level sufficient to achieve escape velocity from the gravity of my fears...unfortunately my daily life tends to reinforce said fears regularly...
The ironic thing is, as long as I'm afraid I'm probably enabling exactly what I said I'm afraid of...being fed on
If nothing has any meaning why would you waste "your time" destroying this dream, the dream eaters have no desire to eat you either if nothing has no meaning (no itnernal desire)
(07-28-2012, 11:48 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:(07-16-2012, 12:58 PM)Spaced Wrote: Personally, I think being eaten is an excellent end for a physical vehicle. The body nourishes life and the spirit continues on. Nothing is lost. Everything is used to it's full potential.
I find burial methods that intend to preserve the body with chemicals and protect it from worms and other creatures quite strange. We are part of the food chain, and that isn't a bad thing.
Haha oh my god!! I never thought of it that way! That is a very service to others way to go, isn't it? Not necessarily being eaten ALIVE... But what you said about everything being used to its full potential resonates with me.
I feel the best way to rid yourself of the chemical body when the time comes is to deep freeze it until solid, break down with high intensity sound waves until powder, boil until h2o evaporates. Once complete put remaining biomatter into a decomposing box with a tree sapling that uses it for nourishment, plant whole thing underground. Humans work great as fertilizer.
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - Patrick - 10-17-2012
From the Seth material.
Seth Wrote:...Being yourself automatically fulfills any responsibility. The gods created the Universe out of joy and playfulness and creativity, not because they thought they had to. Your being is blessed and spontaneous because it is. And fulfilling it with nature automatically fulfills your purposes and, in your terms, your responsibility.
If you are the self that you are, you use your abilities out of joy. When you use your abilities out of responsibility you distort them. You help because you think you should, not because it is a joyful part of your being. And you begin to question, "Who needs my help most?"
Can you imagine the sun thinking, "Who needs my help most? Should I send forth my rays upon this flower, or that one? Which flower needs my help the most?"; or the rain saying, "Which blade of grass should I bless with myself?"
No; The sun is itself, as you are yourself, and through your being you bless yourself and all others. Being yourself, you can trust yourself; then your responsibilities are automatically fulfilled. But if you do not trust yourselves, there is no responsibility that you can fulfill, and no one that you can truly help...
RE: What if I don't want to be eaten? - AnthroHeart - 10-17-2012
(10-17-2012, 12:49 PM)Cyan Wrote: I feel the best way to rid yourself of the chemical body when the time comes is to deep freeze it until solid, break down with high intensity sound waves until powder, boil until h2o evaporates. Once complete put remaining biomatter into a decomposing box with a tree sapling that uses it for nourishment, plant whole thing underground. Humans work great as fertilizer.
There's also a company that turns the cremated remains into a diamond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeGem