(04-27-2012, 09:41 AM)Ashim Wrote: It's been a while since I last browsed through the bible for any time but the story with the snake and the apple has been on my mind.

This appears to be the moment where the choice of polarity was offered but what exactly are 'forbidden fruit'?

As I understand, the snake would represent Lucifer offering the 'dark' path of spiritual growth.

Could the analogy of the apple actually represent the knowledge that animals could be culled and their tasteful flesh eaten?

This would seem to me to fit into the overall divine plan by heating up the polarities.
I would be interested, as always to read your thoughts.

(04-28-2012, 07:05 AM)Ashim Wrote: I never mentioned trusting the bible, just like any other works though good for referencing.

(04-28-2012, 07:05 AM)Ashim Wrote: I just do not see young infants or children (in my culture) looking at a rabbits or chickens and seeing them naturaly as food sources instead of wanting to cuddle them.

(04-28-2012, 07:05 AM)Ashim Wrote: I have a feeling that this knowledge must have been introduced.
Just like showing my cats how to work the tin opener.

(04-27-2012, 10:43 AM)Pickle Wrote: It makes me think that Terrence McKenna may have been right.

Quote:Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".

Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.

Allow me to elucidate:

When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.

We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will.

Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.

Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.

Yahweh had agreed to our coming, in fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship.
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Without Polarity, (derived from Free Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice to experience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, in order to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offering them an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, the Knowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitants to a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this one thing, thus creating the desire to do the one thing there are told they cannot. Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest is history.

Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when he discovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in his scriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his 'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committed to being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide the Catalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, or that which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had been granted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted to continue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice. Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.

Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.

Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.

I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.

(04-30-2012, 12:09 AM)Lulu Wrote:

(04-28-2012, 02:55 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:

Quote:Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".

thanks! I love to get confirmation on what I sensed/experienced.

Also this confirms other information out there that about when we get to the high place of threshold in 6th if we have not done our emotional work, we must go back to 3rd to complete it.

If you had to pick one to be part of... most of you are choosing to be STO which seems to me to be exactly the tool which will make you vulnerable to Lucifer and the gang (Ra).

If/when you go through it all over in his work he tells you what to do.
STO will make you rise in vibration for this work.

(04-30-2012, 12:33 PM)Ashim Wrote: Hidden_Hand is a pussy cat.

(04-30-2012, 03:45 PM)Lulu Wrote: wow --I'm just trying to conceive that a male posted that ;-). I am checking before making comments back now because, wrong again, I thought you too were a "she".

Enki is certainly a favorite god of mine. He was also willing to help women out of the underworld. Nearly all those ancient gods/goddesses were cruel and brutal to each other.

I'm sure rituals with blood/semen can be powerful in will for more life. Also adding your desire-imaginings while having an orgasm must project more power for it into the universe. I don't have any info on that, it's just something that seems true.

Crowley did menses blood magic, probably it included sperm. I don't have any good sources on that either.

(04-30-2012, 04:28 PM)Daydreamin Wrote: The Catholic church is looking to empower man and disempower women so they create a story where Adam is the creator of woman. Not too mention it forbidden for a woman to be a priest. Yes, yes, it's all starting to come together. And for the record I was raised in a very Catholic setting and went to a Catholic grade school and high school and you could say I had to experience the 'dark' to see the Light!

(04-30-2012, 04:28 PM)Daydreamin


And that's extremely interesting about Crowley. I've never really studied him simply b/c of all the negativity that's been linked to him. These days I realize however that he's been labeled that way perhaps b/c he was indeed on to something.

[/quote' Wrote: Yep he has a negative wrap for sure. I've Q & A channeled him, he is an arrogant bizarre genius and confirmed sort of pig. Towards the end of my conversation with him, I asked him to show me something that would prove his power and that he was present. I was sitting outside and when finished I was sort of blown away at the weirdness of the conversation. As typical I couldn't remember specific details. I went inside for water. When I came out I walked to the edge of the deck because I heard a low sound of buzzing. I looked down towards the sound and a young bird was being stung to death by a some sort of hive. This sort of shocked me, as I had never seen this before! I was like "ok, did you really HAVE to do that!" seriously! What a jerk! But I also wanted to know what it represented, because knowing Crowley there is no symbol that is without meaning. I went back into channel and asked him why. He said the bird represented me and the hive represented others (family/society) and how we lose can easily lose our flight. Yes, he is a little "dark" but quite informative.

I love lady Frieda Harris's paintings/tarot that she created for him. They are an art-deco work of art. I can't seem to get myself to use any other cards, though I've burned a few decks, hehe. If you get them you have to include the purple book by Hajo Banzhaf.
I should re-read some of his other material. It might make more sense now...

Lulu

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The Catholic church is looking to empower man and disempower women so they create a story where Adam is the creator of woman. Not too mention it forbidden for a woman to be a priest. Yes, yes, it's all starting to come together. And for the record I was raised in a very Catholic setting and went to a Catholic grade school and high school and you could say I had to experience the 'dark' to see the Light!

(04-30-2012, 04:28 PM)Daydreamin


And that's extremely interesting about Crowley. I've never really studied him simply b/c of all the negativity that's been linked to him. These days I realize however that he's been labeled that way perhaps b/c he was indeed on to something.

[/quote' Wrote: Yep he has a negative wrap for sure. I've Q & A channeled him, he is an arrogant bizarre genius and confirmed sort of pig. Towards the end of my conversation with him, I asked him to show me something that would prove his power and that he was present. I was sitting outside and when finished I was sort of blown away at the weirdness of the conversation. As typical I couldn't remember specific details. I went inside for water. When I came out I walked to the edge of the deck because I heard a low sound of buzzing. I looked down towards the sound and a young bird was being stung to death by a some sort of hive. This sort of shocked me, as I had never seen this before! I was like "ok, did you really HAVE to do that!" seriously! What a jerk! But I also wanted to know what it represented, because knowing Crowley there is no symbol that is without meaning. I went back into channel and asked him why. He said the bird represented me and the hive represented others (family/society) and how we lose can easily lose our flight. Yes, he is a little "dark" but quite informative.

I love lady Frieda Harris's paintings/tarot that she created for him. They are an art-deco work of art. I can't seem to get myself to use any other cards, though I've burned a few decks, hehe. If you get them you have to include the purple book by Hajo Banzhaf.
I should re-read some of his other material. It might make more sense now...

Lulu

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[quote='Daydreamin' pid='83690' dateline='1335817737']


The Catholic church is looking to empower man and disempower women so they create a story where Adam is the creator of woman. Not too mention it forbidden for a woman to be a priest. Yes, yes, it's all starting to come together. And for the record I was raised in a very Catholic setting and went to a Catholic grade school and high school and you could say I had to experience the 'dark' to see the Light!

(04-30-2012, 04:28 PM)Daydreamin


And that's extremely interesting about Crowley. I've never really studied him simply b/c of all the negativity that's been linked to him. These days I realize however that he's been labeled that way perhaps b/c he was indeed on to something.

[/quote' Wrote: Yep he has a negative wrap for sure. I've Q & A channeled him, he is an arrogant bizarre genius and confirmed sort of pig. Towards the end of my conversation with him, I asked him to show me something that would prove his power and that he was present. I was sitting outside and when finished I was sort of blown away at the weirdness of the conversation. As typical I couldn't remember specific details. I went inside for water. When I came out I walked to the edge of the deck because I heard a low sound of buzzing. I looked down towards the sound and a young bird was being stung to death by a some sort of hive. This sort of shocked me, as I had never seen this before! I was like "ok, did you really HAVE to do that!" seriously! What a jerk! But I also wanted to know what it represented, because knowing Crowley there is no symbol that is without meaning. I went back into channel and asked him why. He said the bird represented me and the hive represented others (family/society) and how we lose can easily lose our flight. Yes, he is a little "dark" but quite informative.

I love lady Frieda Harris's paintings/tarot that she created for him. They are an art-deco work of art. I can't seem to get myself to use any other cards, though I've burned a few decks, hehe. If you get them you have to include the purple book by Hajo Banzhaf.
I should re-read some of his other material. It might make more sense now...

Lulu

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[quote='Daydreamin' pid='83690' dateline='1335817737']



And that's extremely interesting about Crowley. I've never really studied him simply b/c of all the negativity that's been linked to him. These days I realize however that he's been labeled that way perhaps b/c he was indeed on to something.

(04-30-2012, 04:28 PM)Daydreamin Wrote: The Catholic church is looking to empower man and disempower women so they create a story where Adam is the creator of woman. Not too mention it forbidden for a woman to be a priest. Yes, yes, it's all starting to come together. And for the record I was raised in a very Catholic setting and went to a Catholic grade school and high school and you could say I had to experience the 'dark' to see the Light!

Quote: As a side note it would be interesting if the fruit really was a mushroom with psychotropic properties, the mana that god gives The Jews in the desert in exodus sounds extremely like psilocybe cubensis (Terence Mckenna was the man!).

(05-02-2012, 10:51 AM)Pickle Wrote:

Quote: As a side note it would be interesting if the fruit really was a mushroom with psychotropic properties, the mana that god gives The Jews in the desert in exodus sounds extremely like psilocybe cubensis (Terence Mckenna was the man!).

Mohammed mentioned Manna was a mushroom. The Christians are the only source of confusion in that case. Certain theosophy types came to understandings by compiling multiple sources and extrapolating. Most texts are designed to hide knowledge from the profane. So, it is always there, but normally misunderstood.