http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0923.aspx Wrote:I am Q’uo. You are most kind to have allowed us this privilege. We are most happy to be asked to share our opinions and give what insight we have found to be so on the subject of the spiritual, or metaphysically correct, life necessarily being reflected in perfect physical health of the physical body complex, which is the vehicle for such a mentally, emotionally and spiritually whole and healthy individual. You notice that we segregated the body, that is, your physical vehicle, your personal animal, which has sacrificed its instinctual life in order that it may house the self-conscious spirit that each of you is. It is not that there is not, within the illusion, a tie there that cannot be broken and have the physical vehicle sustain life. It is simply that who you are is not that which you see in the mirror. Who you are is not that which loved ones, friends and enemies recognize as you.
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As you gaze at the mental/emotional complex, we see that portion of the belief you have mentioned, that is, that the body is acting out the illness which is emotional or mental. Your people, and we speak of those who are technologically advanced, have used the technology, not to free themselves from labor, but to become ever more enslaved by it. Light, which was to give leisure to the people of your planet, has been used to extend, artificially, daylight. Your particular physical vehicle is not designed to be a night hunter. Its diurnal rhythm is to wake with the sun and sleep with the darkness. When asked, this remarkably adaptable body will do its very, very best to support alternative diurnal cycles, but it is at its weakest when the schedule is not steady, that is, when there is no set time of being awake or of being asleep. This is very confusing to an animal which turns to the sun instinctively, and which controls its environment for its survival. Consequently, unless an entity has thought deeply about such a simple thing as attempting to remain upon a schedule of sleeping and awaking, an entity can induce a high degree of stress while seemingly not overworking, nor giving oneself enough time to rest.

There are many other stresses through which one may put the body because of concern of an overactive imagination of a personality that swings in its attitudes and needs to a greater extent than is comfortably handled by the physical vehicle. Thusly, it is quite obvious that in many cases the mind is the parent of the illness, and the illness is the acting out of that which was refused as catalyst by the mental/emotional complex of the self. There is the cancer of anger that grows upon itself. There are the lung diseases of those who have not said the words that they must say to be healthy, have not told the truths that must be told to be free of misunderstanding at a deep level in relationship. There is the acidic condition brought about by sheer overwork, which ruins your gastrointestinal tracts. Many are the illnesses that are the outworking of mental imbalance or emotional imbalance. We do not use the word unhappiness, because we, in our experience, have not found that concept helpful. Joy, not happiness, is a spiritual concept.
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You are engaged in walking a path of spirit, the mind and body in complete cooperation, from before the beginning of this incarnation. You chose the physical vehicle you now have. You chose preexisting, usually genetically caused, in the eyes of the world, physical vehicles that may seem, in the case of preincarnative choices which are challenging, that your body has betrayed you. This is never so. The body that you have is second density. It will do anything it can for you. It loves you. It accepted you. It wishes to do what you wish it to do. Sometimes it cannot, because you chose this situation at this time.

You will move from these words to the many other situations that are criticized as being those of failure of some kind. Take them to heart and have courage and faith, and the will to learn that which you came here to learn; the will to love ever more purely; the will to allow the pettiness of humanity gradually to depart from you as water from a pitcher, that you are an empty vessel at last for the love and the light of the one infinite Creator as expressed through the gifts manifested by you in greater and greater understanding of the true goals of this life of choice.

Quote:It will do anything it can for you. It loves you. It accepted you. It wishes to do what you wish it to do. Sometimes it cannot, because you chose this situation at this time.

(04-24-2012, 11:58 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: What do you suppose they mean by this?

"Joy, not happiness, is a spiritual concept."

What would the difference between joy and happiness be?

(04-15-2012, 10:17 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: [quote=http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0923.aspx]
The body that you have is second density.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Each mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex has an existence simultaneous with that of creation. It is not dependent upon any physical vehicle. However, in order to evolve, change, learn, and manifest the Creator the physical vehicles appropriate to each density are necessary. Your query implied that physical vehicles accelerated growth. The more accurate description is that they permit growth.

(04-26-2012, 04:00 AM)Meerie Wrote: Isn't happiness something that is bound to certain conditions?
according to etymology online, its original meaning was "good fortune".
you are happy if you have good fortune.
whereas joy is an inner state that does not require any prerequisites.
That is how I see it.
And for whatever reason, John Lennon sang "Happiness is a warm gun"

(yeah, of course, now I get it!!! conditional again!!! )

(04-24-2012, 11:58 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: What do you suppose they mean by this?

"Joy, not happiness, is a spiritual concept."

What would the difference between joy and happiness be?

Daddy Ra, 52:11 Wrote:Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.

(04-26-2012, 11:11 AM)Siren Wrote:

(04-15-2012, 10:17 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: [quote=http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0923.aspx]
The body that you have is second density.

If the physical vehicles of mind/body/spirit complexes experiencing the yellow vibratory spectrum that is known as 3rd density have 2D bodies, then... where do the 3D/4D dual activated bodies fit into all this? There would seem to be a missing gap or link; that being: the 3D physical body.

May I suggest that perhaps Q'uo/Carla meant 3D instead of 2D?

Certainly, the physical body is an animal. But that doesn't make it 2D.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0930.aspx Wrote:So, that creature which you are is quite often confused with being a single being, but is actually made up of all that your consciousness is plus all that the physical vehicle is (which you think of as yourself but which is in actuality a highly developed second-density animal). This instinctually perfect entity agreed, before it was given this life, to be the physical vehicle which carries you about, which gathers data from all of its senses, and which makes available to your consciousness the biocomputer which is your mind. To that animal, that body, that vehicle, all thanks and praise should be given always, for its sacrifice has been complete, its instinctual behavior bowing always to the will that has learned, and that accepts, allows and loves each characteristic of that physical vehicle.

(04-26-2012, 10:59 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: I might agree with you because this essentially was my logical conclusion also, but Q'uo mentions this in several other subsequent sessions within a few months of this one. The concept of us using 2D vehicles did feel right, however, and now that I have contemplated it with the help of Q'uo's quotes it makes logical sense to me as well. It is even re-phrased. In my opinion, I do not think Q'uo was in error.

It did seem sort of odd that we were simply using 2D bodies, but then I remembered Ra stating that the Earth herself is actually a 2d body, which actually make MORE sense to me since that would make us and the Earth shoulder to shoulder instead of us being 3D and Earth being 2D.

Quote:Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body in potentiation is used to create this chemical arrangement that I have as a physical body now. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect only in that in your present incarnation the yellow-ray body is not in potentiation but in activation, it being that body which is manifest.

Quote:Questioner: Which bodies do we have immediately after physical death from this yellow-ray body that I now am in?

Ra: I am Ra. You have all bodies in potentiation.

Quote:I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace.

Quote:This is draining to the physical body of yellow ray. To compensate for this the desire increases so that the yellow-ray body is predisposed to continue in sexual congress, thus fulfilling its red-ray requirement to reproduce as thickly as possible.

Quote:I am Ra. The concentrated sugar; that is, the dessert, the ice cream, the cookie, should be ingested at that time. Small amounts of the fructose, maple, or raw honey may be ingested periodically for, as we have said, the chemistry of this yellow-ray body is such that the sugar is being used by blood enzymes as would carbohydrates in a less distorted yellow-ray, physical vehicle.

Quote: am Ra. The channel is now satisfactory. We find the yellow-ray, chemical body of the instrument to be exhausted, but to be attempting the improvement by action such as exercise and diet. We may state that the infection has not completely left the body complex, although it is far less virulent.

Quote:Questioner: Is this a fourth- or a fifth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument is being greeted by a fifth-density entity which has lost some polarity due to its lack of dictatorship over the disposition of the instrument’s mind/body/spirit or its yellow-ray activated physical complex.

Quote:Further, the yellow-ray, chemical vehicle of the questioner is aging and has more difficulty in the absorption of needed minerals such as iron and other substances such as papain, potassium, and calcium.

Quote:The yellow-ray, physical body has been experiencing that which is called lupoid changes in much tissue of muscle and some of the organs as well. The exercise regains the wasting physical muscular strength. In some ways the walking is the more appropriate exercise due to the proximity of the entity to second-density creatures, particularly your trees.

(04-26-2012, 10:59 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: It did seem sort of odd that we were simply using 2D bodies, but then I remembered Ra stating that the Earth herself is actually a 2d body, which actually make MORE sense to me since that would make us and the Earth shoulder to shoulder instead of us being 3D and Earth being 2D.

Quote:Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

Quote:Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on it become so invested?

Ra: There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

(04-28-2012, 04:16 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Is it then that the consciousness, or rather that essence of the being which allows for abstract thought, self-awareness, sentience, birthing of intelligence, the calculative, inquisitive, perpetually learning mind is the being which is considered the 3rd Density aspect of ourselves which acts as the control panel for the physical vehicle? If what is characteristic of the 2D is that those entities are only aware, and the predominate distinguishing factor is its functioning which relies upon purely instinctive processes (which perhaps then would be considered a 2D mind) then I am beginning to see how the symbiotic relationship between a 2D entity and a 3D entity are taking place.

As per the definition of 2D this entity is still wholly instinctual, however, given that its essence is now 'linked' to that of an entity capable of rational and conceptual thought then those instincts become not impulsive but solely at the behest of what the 3D being wishes for. The body is at the mind's command. Whereas a 2D entity is primarily reactionary and driven by base needs and usually do not act outside this scope of action the 3D entity has the capability to have better steering of itself in manners correlated to conceptual formations within the mind. The 2D entity will eat because it feels itself growing hungry. Cause A will lead to Effect B.

This is not so for a 3D entity. Being endowed with abstract thought, Cause A will lead to an Effect governed by the vastly varying circumstances of the self-created personality which is forged by mental biases accumulated from experiences undergone which the 3D entity may extract some idea from and assimilate it into itself, something which the 2D entity cannot do to this extent. Not to say that 2D entities do not 'learn', but their learning is instinctive, whereas we may excogitate and formulate much more comprehensive mental formations. Thus Cause A for a 3D entity will branch off into thousands of different corresponding Effects.

The symbiosis between these two entities within us is greatly beneficial, especially for the 2D entity whose horizon of experience has opened up tremendously. For instance, the 2D entity may now do energy work and 'internal alchemy', because the 3D entity cognizes the concept of "chakras" or "developing telepathic and psychic prowess", incorporates this concept into the paradigm which regulates their particular experience of reality, and effectively manifests this concept into existence. The reality of "chakras" is only a reality to those who empower this concept through the power of thought and wholehearted subscription to its being a 'thing', thus it becomes a true thing in the reality of the one whom invests effort and energy into the belief of it. This mental processing becomes available only when one achieves 3D evolution of consciousness, thus the 2D entity is afforded the opportunity to experience the entire spectrum of abilities inherent to us while in exchange it serves every single one of our wishes. If the 2D entity/body did not serve us, it would never stay still while the 3D entity/intelligent mind executes the program of "meditation". As one "does work" on the chakra system (which is now a real thing to be experienced once integrated into one's particular conceptual map of reality) the resulting effects are felt within the plateau of physical experience, the body, the 2D entity.

(04-29-2012, 11:26 AM)Siren Wrote: I do not disagree with what you've presented here. However, you're delineating functions and aspects of the mind, not the body.

I completely agree that this thing we've called abstract thought (which is sort of the melding of intellect + intuition) and the inquisitive mind, as you call it, are characteristic of yellow-ray experience; which is something that distinguishes the 3D entity from 2D.

But we're talking about bodies.

It appears to me that not many seem to grasp the fact that physical bodies are used throughout all the densities (though I admit, the red-ray and violet-ray bodies are the ones that baffle me the most). So, physicality itself, is not a thing of 3D or 2D experience only—physical bodies range from denser to finer, and the material/matter of all bodies is Light.

Certainly, a 3D entity's physical vehicle would be derived from that which was brought up from orange-ray experience; which in turn is derived from the red-ray vibratory spectrum, or density. Indeed, there is a "linkage" between bodies. And in a manner of speaking, bodies "stack up" as entities progress up the evolutionary spiral; the previous body being refined/transmuted alchemically as one achieves/accesses/transitions into the next density of consciousness. So yes, there is a symbiosis, and of course one carries all bodies within itself.

So I am not saying 3D human's physical body has no 2D "element/material" to it; but the 3D yellow-ray physical vehicle is not the 2D orange-ray physical vehicle. I think there is a misunderstanding here. And it's OK if no one here wishes to pursue this further.

Understand, godwide_void, that I am not talking about the mind or the entity's mind/body/spirit complex. I am specifically referring to the various physical vehicle/shells used through the densities to move about space/time configurations throughout the Creation.

(04-28-2012, 04:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: GV, in any of the realities I've shared with you, you've never ceased to amaze me with your insight.

(04-30-2012, 03:23 PM)godwide_void Wrote: if the 3D make-up is that of a 3D entity inhabiting a 2D body,

Quote:Another factor is, what exactly characterizes the various levels of physical vehicles native to higher densities? A 2D body is fairly easy to comprehend, but what is a specific 3D body?

Quote:in the event that this linking is exclusive only to the 3D and no other density beyond ours, which would make sense given that those beings of 2D and 3D co-exist with one another and thus conceiving that we (3D) were designed to be the final plateau of experience for 2D beings who reached a high level of evolution and act in mutual assistance with one another

Quote:then this would entail that in densities which make use of a physical vehicle, the density level of each being is set at one particular density; 4D beings have 4D bodies, 5D beings have 5D bodies, etc.

Quote:If this is so, then herein lies a key question necessary to further grasp all of this:

What defines a 4D/5D/6D body? There also exists one crucial anomaly: what defines a 3D body, and does such a thing even exist, and if so, when and where does it become implemented?

Quote:If 3D beings do not actually have 3D bodies but reside within a 2D being,

Quote:then is there a point where we develop 3D bodies?

Quote:Yet I do recall reading in Ra's discourse that the 3D being is completely incompatible with the energetic field of 4D;

Quote:is he referring to the 3D consciousness or is there a chance that a 3D physical vehicle would be able to exist in 4D only in the case that it was imbued with a 4D consciousness?

Quote:If a 3D vehicle is used, what would set it apart from a 2D vehicle beyond its self-awareness,

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1993/1993_0926_1_draft.aspx Wrote:How does this organ of reason you call the brain work, which you are so desiring to work to your spiritual benefit? We have described the birth of consciousness of light within as the little Christ child, nurtured in the manger of your heart. Now let us describe this same situation using other ways of description.

The analogy of the computer is also fruitful. You see, you are not one but two life forms which cooperate to offer this rich experience you call the incarnation. The first creature is your physical vehicle. This instinctually-driven creature is at one with all that there is, for it is a second-density being. Each cell within your physical vehicle vibrates with the love and light of the infinite One, and its instinctual desires are for all energies to harmonize.

The intellectual organ of this creature is driven by distinctions, the basic program being very much the 0:1 [of binary operations], the dynamics betwixt the characteristics. The mind which you could realize as biocomputer has its priorities. These priorities are fixed by the computer within, based upon experience. Of the complete range of catalyst which assaults the physical senses, perhaps 2% of these sense impressions are used first. These sense impressions which have been given priority have to do with survival, comfort and finally what may loosely be called preferences or happiness. As you gain experience, these priorities may settle and change somewhat; however, they remain logic-driven.

You carry within you what could be called an operating system which works only with expanded memory. Its programs are deeper than the programs of the biocomputer operating system of your second-density creature. Within the programs of this operating system lie archetypical structures which only flash into the normal biocomputer like the haunting, with a melody which can so easily be missed. Yet within this expanded operating system’s programs lie truth and virtual reprogramming aids which do far more to reprioritize the biocomputer than all the earnest study and effort you can galvanize to life within your increasingly reluctant self.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1994/1994_0925_2.aspx Wrote:We are those of Q’uo. Within that glowing sense of spiritual self does lie a divine folly. Its first and hardest choice of entities to love is the Earth-bound personality of self, that second-density creature that carries consciousness about for you, your body and that mind that was furnished with that body, the biocomputer, if you will, which thinks in either/or terms, yes or no, hot or cold, good or bad, right or wrong. Consciousness has little to say to this self, this surface of self, for there is the strong feeling within, quixotic as it may be, that this is not the correct solution, that there is more to the creation than either/or, that the creation is both/and rather than either/or.

Quote:19.9 Questioner: Where did the second-density beings get physical vehicles of third-density type to incarnate into?

Ra: I am Ra. There were among those upon this second-density plane those forms which when exposed to third-density vibrations became the third-density, as you would call sound vibration “human,” entities.

That is, there was loss of the body hair, as you call it, the clothing of the body to protect it, the changing of the structure of the neck, the jaw, and forehead in order to allow the easier vocalization, and the larger cranial development characteristic of third-density needs. This was a normal transfiguration.

(05-23-2012, 01:17 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: But I'm curious if these quotes don't resonate with you, you would then argue against them?

Quote:These quotes are all after the Ra contact, by Ra (reminder that Q'uo is Ra+Latwii).

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0930.aspx Q'uo Wrote:So, that creature which you are is quite often confused with being a single being, but is actually made up of all that your consciousness is plus all that the physical vehicle is (which you think of as yourself but which is in actuality a highly developed second-density animal).