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The Decline of Don Elkins - Plenum - 03-14-2012
this has already been discussed in a couple of other threads, so I hope it is not being too DISRESPECTFUL to bring it up once more.
I thought that it would be instructive to examine some of the Answers that Ra gave in the LAST SESSION.
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first up, Don knew something was up. He was self-aware enough of his mind/body/spirit complex to know when something was dysfunctional.
here is his Question:
Quote:106.12 Questioner: I want to come back to a couple of points here, but I want to get in a question about myself. It seems to be critical at this point. Could Ra tell me what is physically wrong with me, what’s causing it, and what I could do to alleviate it?
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Ra then replies with a tri-fold answer:
1) Don is undergoing further Initiation, the consequence of which might be a derangement of the mind. (Ra essentially sees the future and reads an occurate outcome).
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The questioner is one also in the midst of further initiation. During this space/time the possibility for mental/emotional distortion approaching that which causes the entity to become dysfunctional is marked.
2) Don is aging, and his body is having difficulties processing trace minerals the way they are intended. The accumulation of aluminium in the colon is causing damage there. (the specificity of this information is mind-boggling. Ra essentially can ask anything of our 3d time/space, and get a true answer)
Quote:Further, the yellow-ray, chemical vehicle of the questioner is aging and has more difficulty in the absorption of needed minerals such as iron and other substances such as papain, potassium, and calcium.
At the same time the body of yellow-ray begins to have more difficulty eliminating trace elements such as aluminum. The energizing effect has occurred in the colon of the questioner and the distortions in that area are increasingly substantial.
3) Don has a mouth infection.
Lastly, there is a small area of infection in the mouth of the questioner which needs attention.
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the next question then REVEALS even more about the workings of our Universe.
Don initiates the process with a seemingly innocent question regards taking appropriate action regards his health:
Quote:106.13 Questioner: Could Ra recommend what I should do to improve my state of health?
the following answer then again reveals 3 things:
1) The Importance of the Law of Confusion, also known as Free Will. Information leads to action, and we are not here to tell others what course of action to take. The nature of Information and how it is to be shared is one for weighty self consideration, even for a 6d entity
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We tread most close to the Law of Confusion in this instance but feel the appropriateness of speaking due to potentially fatal results for the instrument. We pause to give the questioner and the scribe a few moments of space/time to aid us by stepping away from those distortions which cause us to invoke the Law of Confusion. This would be helpful.
(A few moments pause.)
I am Ra. We appreciate your attempts. Even confusion on your behalves is helpful
2) Carla took on Don's pain, as part of an energy transfer. One of the consequences was this incident described later in the session. http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=106&ss=1#22
Quote:The questioner has, in the recent past, allowed a complete transfer of mental/emotional pain from the questioner to the instrument. The key to this deleterious working was when the instrument said words to the effect of the meaning that it would be the questioner and be the strong one. The questioner could be as the instrument, small and foolish. The questioner, in full ignorance of the firm intent of the instrument and not grasping the possibility of any such energy transfer, agreed.
3) The CONFIRMATION of Soul Mates, or even Twin Flames?
Quote:These two entities have been as one for a timeless period and have manifested this in your space/time. Thusly, the deleterious working occurred. By agreement in care and caution it may be undone. We urge the attention to thanksgiving and harmony on the part of the questioner. We may affirm the previous recommendation in general of the skills and the purity of intention of the one known as Bob, and may note the sympathetic illness which has occurred due to the instrument’s sensitivitie
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namaste
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Diana - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 01:58 PM)plenum Wrote: 2) Don is aging, and his body is having difficulties processing trace minerals the way they are intended. The accumulation of aluminium in the colon is causing damage there. (the specificity of this information is mind-boggling. Ra essentially can ask anything of our 3d time/space, and get a true answer)
The reason is because Ra was in a higher dimension than us.
Imagine a 2D world, which is like a world on a piece of thin paper. There are 2D beings living there--squares, circles, polygons. If a sphere, living in 3D space floating somewhere outside this world, observes this 2D world, the sphere would see inside of everything--inside the 2D bodies, inside their houses, inside their minds possibly.
As a thought experiment, you can extrapolate, and imagine a higher-dimension entity being able to see inside of our 3D world, inside our bodies, etc.
But since this is our 3D world, which we have chosen to live in, it makes sense that a higher entity would not want to upset the conditions we have "signed up for," as they may be integral to our life plans.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - BrownEye - 03-14-2012
Good post!
Indium is very helpful for improved mineral assimilation.
On top of that, the diet that Diana, Monica, and myself promote is very efficient at removing the minerals not needed.
I have no idea what his diet was like, but diet today is even more important than it was in the 80s with the increased amount of aluminum in our air.
(03-14-2012, 02:20 PM)Diana Wrote: they may be integral to our life plans.
Integral to us "facing a choice", and many choices have what my friends calls "ramifications".
(I personally don't enjoy negative ramifications) LoL!
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - βαθμιαίος - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 01:58 PM)plenum Wrote: (the specificity of this information is mind-boggling. Ra essentially can ask anything of our 3d time/space, and get a true answer)
I agree. It reads a lot like an Edgar Cayce health reading.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Tenet Nosce - 03-14-2012
Fascinating! Thanks for bringing my attention to this. I notice I haven't read Session 106 for quite some time and had forgotten about these.
Here is an interesting quote, where they are talking about Carla, but perhaps with the energy transfer phenomenon going on this could have affected him as well.
106.2 Wrote:Questioner: What would the instrument do to make the marginal condition much better?
Ra: I am Ra. The instrument is proceeding through a portion of the incarnational experience during which the potential for mortal distortion of the left renal system is great. Less important, but adding to the marginality of distortion towards viability, are severe allergic reactions and the energizing of this and other distortions towards weakness/strength. The mental/emotional complex is engaged in what may best be termed inappropriate compassion.
I wonder what they mean by "inappropriate compassion".
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - βαθμιαίος - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 05:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I wonder what they mean by "inappropriate compassion".
Taking on Don's burdens?
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Tenet Nosce - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 05:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(03-14-2012, 05:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I wonder what they mean by "inappropriate compassion".
Taking on Don's burdens?
Yes- that was also my take. But beyond this I wonder what about compassion makes it "inappropriate". For example, in the Aaron/Q'uo Dialogues there is quite a bit of discussion about the potential setbacks involved if one focuses on developing compassion and wisdom without a solid foundation of love and faith. I wonder how this might apply.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Bring4th_Austin - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 06:39 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But beyond this I wonder what about compassion makes it "inappropriate".
Martyrdom comes to mind. Ra said they had an abnormally long 5th density cycle in order to balance the compassion they had reveled in through 4th density, which they claim sometimes brought them to martyrdom.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - native - 03-14-2012
If the body is a result of the mind, I see all of Ra's comments as ultimately pointing towards imbalances in consciousness. For instance, Ra mentioning the infection in Don's mouth points towards his lack of communication with the group, and vice versa with Carla's strep throat. Carla's potential kidney failure could correspond to the second energy center, and not guarding the self with enough care.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - zenmaster - 03-14-2012
(03-14-2012, 02:20 PM)Diana Wrote: The reason is because Ra was in a higher dimension than us.Someone should write a book about that idea!
Imagine a 2D world, which is like a world on a piece of thin paper. There are 2D beings living there--squares, circles, polygons. If a sphere, living in 3D space floating somewhere outside this world, observes this 2D world, the sphere would see inside of everything--inside the 2D bodies, inside their houses, inside their minds possibly.
As a thought experiment, you can extrapolate, and imagine a higher-dimension entity being able to see inside of our 3D world, inside our bodies, etc.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Unbound - 03-15-2012
Aha, Flatland!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8oiwnNlyE4
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Diana - 03-15-2012
(03-14-2012, 11:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Someone should write a book about that idea!
Someone has: "Flatland" by Edwin Abbot. But maybe you already knew that?
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - kycahi - 03-15-2012
My over-simplified interpretation of the 4th level Compassion consciousness is, "Oh, you poor thing, let me do that for you." Of the 5th level Compassion Tempered with Wisdom consciousness it is, "Oh, you're in a bit of a mess; here are some ideas to ponder for making things better."
So inappropriate compassion could be trying to take on a burden best left to the one with the problem. Carla would/will forever defer to the wishes of another instead of just saying, "Well, I want this..." She exasperated me one time when she refused to answer my simple question, "Would you like me to turn this [awfully loud] music down?"
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - zenmaster - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 03:10 AM)kycahi Wrote: My over-simplified interpretation of the 4th level Compassion consciousness is, "Oh, you poor thing, let me do that for you." Of the 5th level Compassion Tempered with Wisdom consciousness it is, "Oh, you're in a bit of a mess; here are some ideas to ponder for making things better."
So inappropriate compassion could be trying to take on a burden best left to the one with the problem. Carla would/will forever defer to the wishes of another instead of just saying, "Well, I want this..." She exasperated me one time when she refused to answer my simple question, "Would you like me to turn this [awfully loud] music down?"
But what is a 'burden', really? Is catalyst a burden? Given that grocery-store analogy, who knows if she was merely "deferring" (is that possible)? Depending on subjective perception of the actual experience, it could have involved an exercise in patience. Or maybe humility? So, what was the subjective desire, or combo of desires?
Is 'innapropriate compassion' a denial of self (as actual desires) to the extent of repression? Ra said "...overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming, thus, creates the further environment for holding on to that which apparently has been overcome." To me that says 'ignored catalyst' and attachment to some distortion perceived to be ideal, when it's actually an impediment to consciousness (for all).
Indulgence can lead to slavery, as in:
"83.11 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are of a service-to-others orientation are using techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?
Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the conditions of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.
83.12 Questioner: Then for a service-to-others oriented entity at this time meditation upon the nature of these little-expected forms of slavery might be productive in polarization I would think. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are quite correct."
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - Diana - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 09:12 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Is 'innapropriate compassion' a denial of self (as actual desires) to the extent of repression?
This is how I see it. The self is as important as the other-self. This is the balance. If one martyrs themselves (and I don't mean that derogatorily) for the sake of others, one denies one's own sacred life. By putting all energy into helping others but excluding the self (or having the self be "second"), one denies a prime responsibility in this chosen life--to care for self. And in denying self (and the self's needs), one inadvertently puts negative things into the collective such as pain, ill health, lack of total well-being, stagnation from not responding to self's catalyst.
It may be done from a place of love, but the imbalance still exists.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - zenmaster - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 11:34 AM)Diana Wrote:This gets to the point also. That is, Ra said it is not possible to help others (learning for them). And once survival needs are met, what are we truly denying or providing another through 'compassionate' intention with respect to this help?(03-15-2012, 09:12 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Is 'innapropriate compassion' a denial of self (as actual desires) to the extent of repression?
This is how I see it. The self is as important as the other-self. This is the balance. If one martyrs themselves (and I don't mean that derogatorily) for the sake of others, one denies one's own sacred life. By putting all energy into helping others but excluding the self (or having the self be "second"), one denies a prime responsibility in this chosen life--to care for self. And in denying self (and the self's needs), one inadvertently puts negative things into the collective such as pain, ill health, lack of total well-being, stagnation from not responding to self's catalyst.
It may be done from a place of love, but the imbalance still exists.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - godwide_void - 03-16-2012
What has always bothered me in regards to Don Elkins is how one who had been bestowed upon him such divine gnosis would have him meet his end the way he did. Yes, we're all aware that the factor of 'negative psychic greeting' apparently played a huge role in his eventual decline, but what boggles my mind is what were his thought processes like in those last few days? His intellect, abilities of discernment and keen insight are truly astounding, and I have no doubts that integration of the divine guidelines given by Ra were of little trouble to him... and yet the decision was made on his part regardless (though it most likely wasn't "him" who executed the action).
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - βαθμιαίος - 03-16-2012
I think he was offering himself in order to save Carla. Ra mentioned potentially fatal results for her, and, judging by the frequency of his questions about her condition, he had been worried about her for a long time.
Have you read Esmerelda Sweetwater? I think he saw events proceeding as they did in that book and decided that it would be he who offered the sacrifice this time.
However, it's been a while since I read that book and may be misremembering/conflating.
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - godwide_void - 03-16-2012
Nope, I haven't read that book before, but the name is familiar. Did Carla or Don have a hand in writing it?
RE: The Decline of Don Elkins - βαθμιαίος - 03-16-2012
Yes, they wrote it together. Some of the questions in the Ra sessions are about it, in particular
Quote:68.13 Questioner: We have been speaking almost precisely of a portion of the Esmerelda Sweetwater book which we wrote having to do with the character Trostrick’s misplacement of the space girl’s mind/body/spirit complex. What is the significance of that work which we did with respect to our lives? It has been confusing to me for some time as to how it meshes in. Can you tell me that?
Ra: I am Ra. We scan each and find we may speak.
68.14 Questioner: Would you please do so now?
Ra: I am Ra. We confirm the following which is already, shall we say, supposed or hypothesized.
When the commitment was made between two of this group to work for the betterment of the planetary sphere, this commitment activated a possibility/probability vortex of some strength. The experience of generating this volume was unusual in that it was visualized as if watching the moving picture.
Time had become available in its present-moment form. The scenario of the volume went smoothly until the ending of the volume. You could not end the volume, and the ending was not visualized as the entire body of the material but was written or authored.
This is due to the action of free will in all of the creation. However, the volume contains a view of significant events, both symbolically and specifically, which you saw under the influence of the magnetic attraction which was released when the commitment was made and full memory of the dedication of this, what you may call, mission restored.
It's been some years since I read it, but I remember being pleasantly surprised that its plot pulled me in and I found it hard to put down, just because I wanted to find out what happened next.