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Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 08-17-2009
Like many Wanderers, I had a difficult time acclimating to this planet, and suffered from various health challenges throughout my life. About 28 years ago, I experienced a spiritual awakening which coincided with an awareness of the state of our environment, as well as how toxic drugs and corrupted 'foods' impact our health. I became a crusader for a return to a natural lifestyle, and was rewarded with vibrant health!
During this time, I had boundless energy, and was on a perpetual high! Unfortunately, however, it didn't last, and it wasn't due to normal aging. During the last decade, my health deteriorated to the point that I seriously thought I would die in my sleep, and I began to wonder, "So is this it? My work is done? Time to just succumb to degenerative diseases like everyone else?"
I then read the session in which Q'uo stated that many of us would be tasked with helping to heal the planet. This actually added to my distress, because I felt strongly that I wanted to participate in this important task, but how could I, if I couldn't even heal my own body?
I began to pray in earnest for answers, and found a few pieces of the puzzle along the way. But, I still suffered from the serious conditions that threatened my life. Then, suddenly, just when I thought I'd seen and done it all, the simplest and most obvious piece of the puzzle appeared before me. Within a matter of a few weeks, my health and my life were transformed!
Unless you happen to have a glacier in your back yard, whatever water you are drinking now is oxidizing and likely acidic. This is true whether it's bottled, filtered, reverse osmosis, or whatever. No matter how wonderful the source water is, the properties are lost when it's bottled. In addition, the bottled water industry is polluting the Earth!
We are working together to get a machine for Carla! As you know, Carla has had many severe health challenges. If anyone would like to be a benefactor for Carla's machine, please let us know! We also have more info available about the differences between this medical grade machine and other machines on the market. We invite everyone to get educated before buying anything!
RE: Crystal Waters - ayadew - 08-18-2009
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2933349021550318008
Water, with all it's unique features, changes it's molecular structure depending all outside influence.
If it's sent love, it will form to a more into an ordered crystaline structure, if it's sent hate and destruction it will become chaotic and random. It records everything around it, and thus is records all the metal pipes it's forcibly and not very lovingly pushed through..
We are blessed with good water in Sweden, but I know there's a lot of countries which has really bad. If Monica's machine helps the water into a formed crystalline structure, then I'm sure it can be very helpful if you program the water with love
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Memorandem - 08-21-2009
Skeptic attack:
http://www.kangenscam.com/
The "KYK Genesis Water Ionizer" is supposed to be a cheaper equivalent. True, electronics are as a marketing rule, usually sold for about 5 times the price of the actual construction (more or less depending on the effectiveness of hype).
Knowing what I do about electronics, I might be able to make one if I knew how it worked.
What I am curious about is the said hexagonal formation of the water. All the molecules would have to have the same polarization to have this affect (This is what ionization does). Also of interest is whether an impurity causes a rift in the entire crystal structure, or whether the hexagons simply work around impurities.
- Memorandem
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 08-21-2009
Hi Memorandum! Thanks for your interest! I encounter those skeptic/competitor websites all the time. I have info that will very effectively counter any and all of them, available by email to anyone who asks.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - ayadew - 08-22-2009
(08-21-2009, 07:03 AM)Memorandem Wrote: Skeptic attack:
http://www.kangenscam.com/
I feel this person has a hidden agenda, possibly trying to sell another brand... but if you genuinely feel this machine helps people Monica, then I commend your work.
I'll go check the ORP and acidic levels of my tap water with the chemistry apparatus at my university soon (I study geology). I've heard Sweden's water is quite 'good' compared to many other countries, but we shall see.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 08-22-2009
(08-22-2009, 04:27 AM)ayadew Wrote: I feel this person has a hidden agenda, possibly trying to sell another brand
Yes, they are trying to sell another brand (that is not medical-grade).
(08-22-2009, 04:27 AM)ayadew Wrote: I'll go check the ORP and acidic levels of my tap water with the chemistry apparatus at my university soon (I study geology). I've heard Sweden's water is quite 'good' compared to many other countries, but we shall see.
Great! Tap water here in the US is usually neutral pH (around 7), and the ORP is typicall around +350-400, which is highly oxidizing. A positive number on the ORP meter means oxidizing (contributing to cancer & aging) whereas a negative number indicates antioxidant. The lower the negative number, the stronger the antioxidant it is, ie. -800 is more powerful antioxidant than -200. Every tap, bottled, filtered, or reverse osmosis I've ever tested have all been oxidizing, even the ones that supposedly have added antioxidants! Most bottled waters test acidic, and RO water is very acidic. Please let me know what kind of results you get! (You might also check to see if the ORP probes are calibrated for the negative numbers...with our portable devices, they have to be conditioned in a solution to be accurate on the negative ORP values.)
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - βαθμιαίος - 08-22-2009
Has Carla asked for one of these machines?
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 08-22-2009
(08-22-2009, 12:25 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Has Carla asked for one of these machines?
Yes. I offered it to her, if we can get enough people to either pitch in, or from proceeds from sales to anyone from Bring4th, and she agreed.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Memorandem - 08-29-2009
Sorry for being late getting back here.
If those machines require such things as platinum and titanium, there is no hope of me building one. What I would have is an improvised machine using probably some plastic tub and sub-optimal systems.
If you could, monica, I would certainly be interested in the information on electrolysis. There may be hope for me yet.
Thanks,
- memorandem
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 08-30-2009
(08-29-2009, 05:49 PM)Memorandem Wrote: If those machines require such things as platinum and titanium, there is no hope of me building one. What I would have is an improvised machine using probably some plastic tub and sub-optimal systems.
If you could, monica, I would certainly be interested in the information on electrolysis.
Yes, the machine is a work of sophisticated engineering. I'd be happy to send a free dvd that explains how the electrolysis process works, along with some amazing testimonials, Japanese hospital footage, the full demonstration, interviews with doctors, and much more. Just send me a pm with your address and I'll send it. This offer is open to everyone.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Phoenix - 09-27-2009
The website is lacking a certain important thing called the price.
I'm intrigued. My process of buying most things is to memorise the price and come back to whatever it is when it occurs to me.
It is interesting though. I'm a type 1 diabetic and so I know all about the acidification of the body.
I loved the soft drinks in that video.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 09-29-2009
(09-27-2009, 09:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote: The website is lacking a certain important thing called the price.
I'm intrigued. My process of buying most things is to memorise the price and come back to whatever it is when it occurs to me.
It is interesting though. I'm a type 1 diabetic and so I know all about the acidification of the body.
I loved the soft drinks in that video.
Hi Phoenix!
The reason the price is not listed on the website is because this is an item that has functions that are new and unfamiliar to most people. Therefore, no matter what the price is, it would be impossible to assess a value without understanding exactly what the machine does.
For example, suppose I told you that my grandfather invented a new machine that could dramatically impact your life, and then I told you the price without telling you what the machine did. Whether that price was $50, $500, $5000, or $500,000, how could you possibly make a decision as to its value, if you didn't know what it did?
So it is with this water ionizer machine. We actually have a line of machines with varying prices, and I am happy to discuss price, once the person has seen the full demonstration. That way, they are in a better position to decide whether the price is reasonable or not, based on what the machine could actually do for them.
For this reason, I am happy to send a free dvd to whoever requests it. I also invite those who have seen the demo to pm or call me. We have many options available that are not only affordable, but very cost-effective and even much cheaper than buying bottled water. The potential to reduce medical costs is also something to take into consideration, and this possibility is conveyed in the dvd.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - jmf_tracy - 10-04-2009
sorry, but the kangen water machine is a MLM (multi level marketing) scam. the machine works, that is not the scam. the price is the scam. it is so priced so all the different levels can get paid. think pyramid scam. but the good news is that you can buy a jupiter science melody water ionizer for about $1300. i have used one for the past year and absolutely love it. please check into it. i do my due dilligence and i checked out all the water ionizers.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 10-06-2009
(10-04-2009, 04:20 PM)jmf_tracy Wrote: sorry, but the water machine is a MLM (multi level marketing) scam. the machine works, that is not the scam. the price is the scam. it is so priced so all the different levels can get paid. think pyramid scam. but the good news is that you can buy a jupiter science melody water ionizer for about $1300. i have used one for the past year and absolutely love it. please check into it. i do my due dilligence and i checked out all the water ionizers.
Hi jmf! Welcome to Bring4th!
I appreciate your concern, jmf, and I truly am happy to hear you are pleased with your Jupiter. However, I would like to suggest that you test the water with pH drops and an ORP meter, to see what you are actually getting. There are also some tests you can do to assess the microclustering. (pm me and I'll send you the instructions if you like).
What is driving me right now is that I really want to get a machine for Carla. If anyone knows someone who might benefit from alkaline water, even if you aren't interested yourself, please pass on this info. Proceeds will go towards a machine for her.
peace
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - jmf_tracy - 10-07-2009
hi bring4th_monica,
thank you for your well thought and written reply. it was awhile ago when i did my research and made my purchase beleiving that there was no difference between the machines. your post is motivating me to take another look and research again. i am not in the market for a new machine nor can i afford one as i have been unemployed all year, but i am curios now and will do the research. maybe my MLM scam was off base and if so i am sorry, also i did not realize that you were selling them. i have a horrible memory, but from what i remember i was excited about kangen and then put off by the price. i ended up with the jupiter melody and have been perfectly happy with it. when i set it up i calibrated the PH and it was right on. i have not checked it since, but i will now that you brought it up. as far as health benefits, i have not noticed any because i was healthy and continue to be so. i just try to do what is right for my body within reason because i am a bit lazy and i know myself. so i make lifestlye choices based on that to include alkaline water, using real sea salt instead of table salt, using raw unfiltered honey instead of sugar, etc. i also use supplements like royal jelly, raw apricot seeds, vitamin C & D3, and bionaid & zeoheal. thanks again for your reply it has given me food for thought.
jmf_tracy
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 10-07-2009
And thank you for your gracious reply! I'm relieved and appreciate it very much.
I didn't start out selling them, but walked away from my other job because I found myself talking about the water anyway, so I welcomed the opportunity for 'right livelihood' which was my dream.
I do many of the same things you do, though I don't recognize those last 2 items you mentioned.
What I've seen happen quite often is that people have one of those machines and just assume that it is doing what it is supposed to be doing, ie producing the water with the designated pH and ORP. I would suggest to you the same thing I suggest to others: test both pH and ORP. I have tested various brands of machines in people's homes in which they set the machine to 9.5 pH but when I tested the water with the drops it was only 8.5 or even just 7.5! This is highly significant because it's not just a one-point difference; pH is measured on an exponential scale - ie. 9.5 is 100 times more alkaline than 7.5.
Likewise, with the ORP, what often happens is that the machine is no longer producing the antioxidant water as it did right out of the box. And this is where the difference in quality really comes in. Most machines work when they're new, but will they continue to work 6 months later, 6 years later?
I would be happy to send you info on where you can order the testing device and drops (I don't sell those but can tell you where to get them), as well as how to test for microclustering. There are some tests you can do without the devices (ie without spending $$). I can also send you some technical data regarding the plates, how they are electroplated, cost to manufacture vs markup, etc. Just send me a pm with email address if you would like that info.
If you've had your machine for 5 years, I would definitely suggest testing it, just to see what you are actually getting. What it says on the machine does not necessarily mean that is what's coming out the hose. My company has only been in the US for a little over 5 years. I had not heard of them at the time I bought my Jupiter, as they weren't very well known here in the US at that time, though they have been the #1 seller in Japan ever since they introduced their home units.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Bring4th_Steve - 10-18-2009
jmf_tracy,
I'm glad to see that Monica's information helped you to reconsider that the Enagic machines are truly remarkable and are on their own level of quality.
I actually bought a Kangen water machine from Monica after seeing the DVD and doing my due diligence on the benefits of ionized and alkaline water. I drink about a gallon of water a day, and it is one of the best decisions I have made for my family and me.
Outside of drinking the alkaline/ionized water, I use the machine's acid water, as well. I have a form of psoriasis that I've been hammering with corticosteroids for nearly 15 years. If anyone takes these topical steroids to battle inflammation, then you know that corticosteroids thins your skin and eventually causes severe nerve pain whenever treated areas are touched.
But after seeing the Japanese water footage on the DVD and spraying the acid water on my skin at home, I am now completely off corticosteroids, and my skin feels a LOT better. I'm getting calls from my dermatologist asking why I haven't been in to see her in so long. No more medical bills, prescriptions, or lost time at the doctor! Don't get me wrong, I still get inflammation, but when I spray myself with the acidic 2.5pH water, within hours the inflammation is significantly reduced and the itchiness and skin tightness go away.
I also use the 2.5 acid water to disinfect my house. Just spraying this water on household surfaces will kill any micro organisms within 30 seconds. And that is a clinical fact that Monica will happily validate upon request (thanks for "volunteering", Monica!)
Anyway. That's my story with the machine. It does work, and you can finance the machines through Enagic now starting at $50/month. If any of you have any ailments, you NEED to step up and do yourself a favor. Ask Monica for a DVD and watch the video, like I did. You have nothing to lose, and if nothing else, the demonstrations are VERY cool to watch. It quickly makes you realize just how bad commercial waters, tap water, and soft drinks are for our bodies.
I'll get off my soapbox, but I at least wanted to give some personal feedback on the water machine. The unit I bought at the beginning of 2009 is the SD501.
Feel free to message me if you have any questions about it, as well.
Take care,
Steve
(10-07-2009, 12:34 AM)jmf_tracy Wrote: hi bring4th_monica,
thank you for your well thought and written reply. it was awhile ago when i did my research and made my purchase beleiving that there was no difference between the machines. your post is motivating me to take another look and research again....
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - jmf_tracy - 10-18-2009
hi steve,
thanks for the post. well i looked into it again, but i could not find anything that changed my mind. ionized alkaline water is ionized alkaline water. you can choose from several different machines from different manufacturers. google 'enagic' and will see several websites/articles that claim ionized alkaline water is ionized alkaline water and enagic has a ridiculous price (MLM). i don't want to debate this and i don't want to step on monica's toes as she is trying to sell these, but i am not buying it.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 10-18-2009
(10-18-2009, 03:48 PM)jmf_tracy Wrote: hi steve,
thanks for the post. well i looked into it again, but i could not find anything that changed my mind. ionized alkaline water is ionized alkaline water. you can choose from several different machines from different manufacturers. ...has a ridiculous price (MLM). i don't want to debate this and i don't want to step on monica's toes as she is trying to sell these, but i am not buying it.
jmf,
That's ok. We are just trying to provide info, not debate. If you are satisfied with what you read on the competitor websites, that is your choice! We respect your choice and aren't trying to convince you of anything. Just offer info.
I would just like to make a few comments in response to what you said, though, only for the purpose of accuracy.
All companies have a markup and earn profit. Our machines cost more because they cost more to make, due to larger amounts of surgical-grade titanium and platinum, and because they do more. Competitor machines use small amounts of food-grade metals and do not produce the 'strong' cleaning and disinfectant waters.
And, respectfully, those other websites are either mistaken or are being misleading when they say that there is no difference between ionized waters. This is tangible. We can demonstrate this. (Technical data about the possible toxicity of water from assembly-line-produced machines available upon request.)
peace
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 10-19-2009
(10-18-2009, 03:48 PM)jmf_tracy Wrote: google...and will see several websites/articles that claim ionized alkaline water is ionized alkaline water
By the way, it is illegal and unethical for Brand X to use the trademark or company name of Brand Y to market their own products.
Those other brands pop up first on a google search. As you just stated, if you search for our brand, competitor websites pop up. That is illegal and unethical! They also have websites appearing to be unbiased, Consumer Reports type review sites which is also misleading and unethical. They claim to 'rate' the different machines in an unbiased way, without disclosing that they are selling a competitor machine and are therefore biased.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - ubergud - 10-21-2009
Wow, this topic poses a philosophic quandary ...
If I accept that the system provides water that could cure diseases, I would wonder at why it was being provided as it is (i.e. sold rather than freely given). If I had the knowledge to build one, I wouldn't sell it, I would provide instructions on how to build it freely to anyone who desired it. The same is true if I had the conscious knowledge of how to to make a zero-point energy system (i.e. free energy). It may not be wise, but it would be what my heart would advise.
I think that is what seems so odd about topics surrounding 'miracle' systems. My intention is not to show skepticism related to the machine or its effects (I do believe that being conscientious regarding what we take into our bodies, hearts and minds is a good thing), but to raise philosophic questions regarding our treatment of anything considered to be of potential benefit to everyone. I also do not intend to suggest that I believe it is wrong for Monica making a living in this culture by selling something that provides benefit. There are plenty of people making a living selling things that provide little or no benefit. I'm sure I use many of them. Heck, if it works, how else would you make people aware of it but by word of mouth (or internet).
That said, in my opinion, if it provides the stated benefit, why is it held as a corporate secret to be sold for profit rather than given freely. Also my opinion, but if something should be illegal and unethical it should be to believe water that could do this can be produced and not be provided by general consensus to every living being that desires it rather than to just those who can afford it. I also know that in a capitalist system, the more people who can afford it that buy it, will make it cheaper (potentially) for those who cannot ... I just disagree with the system ... unless we just need more catalyst I guess ... hmmm cattleist ... mooo ... question everything that doesn't resonate.
Peace, joy and happiness as you desire it ...
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 10-21-2009
(10-21-2009, 04:48 PM)ubergud Wrote: If I accept that the system provides water that could cure diseases, I would wonder at why it was being provided as it is (i.e. sold rather than freely given). If I had the knowledge to build one, I wouldn't sell it, I would provide instructions on how to build it freely to anyone who desired it. The same is true if I had the conscious knowledge of how to to make a zero-point energy system (i.e. free energy). It may not be wise, but it would be what my heart would advise.
Hi ubergud!
No claims for any 'cures' are being made here in the US.
I agree that it would be nice to freely give away everything. Perhaps when we go 4D we will have such a society! Food would be freely given...clothing...cars...whatever we need.
In the meantime, it is a fact that the materials used to manufacture our machine cost money. The main cost of the machine is primarily for the platinum and titanium, both of which are surgical-grade and very expensive.
So, the machine costs money...and we sell it. It's an honest business that helps people.
However, even though we don't give the actual machines away, we DO give away the water for free! All distributors are encouraged to give away the water freely!
Our home office has about a dozen machines set up in the lobby, and the machines run water all day long, day after day. People line up with their jugs to get water. The water is given FREELY to the tune of thousands of gallons each day! I don't know of any other water machine company that gives away water. For that matter, I don't know of any other company, period, that gives away unlimited amounts of any product.
We have many doctors all over the country who give away hundreds of gallons per day to their patients and friends and families of their patients.
We don't give away our machines because that would be impossible, because of the cost. But we do the next best thing - we give away the water!
(10-21-2009, 04:48 PM)ubergud Wrote: I think that is what seems so odd about topics surrounding 'miracle' systems.
Not sure what you mean here. There is nothing miraculous about this machine. It is chemistry. What could be considered miraculous is that our bodies were designed to heal themselves (within pre-incarnational programming of course), given the right tools. What might be considered miraculous is the life-giving properties of freshly melted glacier water, which has been shown to be a key factor in the longevity of the longest-lived people of the world, the Hunzas (who live to be 100-120 typically). What might be considered miraculous is the crystalline structure of freshly melted glacier water the waters found in 'sacred springs' such as Lourdes, Fatima, etc.
The fact that our machine produces water like that water isn't miraculous. It's technology.
(10-21-2009, 04:48 PM)ubergud Wrote: My intention is not to show skepticism related to the machine or its effects (I do believe that being conscientious regarding what we take into our bodies, hearts and minds is a good thing), but to raise philosophic questions regarding our treatment of anything considered to be of potential benefit to everyone. I also do not intend to suggest that I believe it is wrong for Monica making a living in this culture by selling something that provides benefit. There are plenty of people making a living selling things that provide little or no benefit. I'm sure I use many of them. Heck, if it works, how else would you make people aware of it but by word of mouth (or internet).
You are welcome to start a new thread regarding the topic of whether we should ever earn income by having a business.
(10-21-2009, 04:48 PM)ubergud Wrote: That said, in my opinion, if it provides the stated benefit, why is it held as a corporate secret to be sold for profit rather than given freely. Also my opinion, but if something should be illegal and unethical it should be to believe water that could do this can be produced and not be provided by general consensus to every living being that desires it rather than to just those who can afford it.
Respectfully, ubergud, it's not like we have a river of ionized water flowing freely and we're withholding it! It's important to understand that the water loses some of its properties over time. So it's important to get the water fresh from the machine. It's the same with glacier water. No matter how wonderful the freshly melted glacier water is, as soon as it's bottled, it loses its life force and most of its life-giving properties. If we all had glaciers in our back yard, we wouldn't need this machine! If it were possible to bottle glacier water and preserve its crystalline, antioxidant properties, we wouldn't need this machine! But as of right now, bottled waters are all oxidizing (regardless of their source). Our ionized water, fresh from the machine, is antioxidant.
It's the next best thing to having a glacier in your back yard!
The machine has a large amount of platinum and titanium in it. Until the financial system of the planet changes, it's simply not feasible to give away machines. So, we do the next best thing: we give away the water! That's not as good as having your own machine. Optimal results are obtained when you drink the water fresh from the machine. So, we help people find ways to afford the machine. We have several financing options available that are affordable for most average people, not just the wealthy!
Furthermore, the company has structured its compensation plan in such a way that's it's relatively easy to recoup your investment. This is done by referring others. That part is optional, but think about it: If you found something that had a dramatic impact on your life, you would tell others, right?
So that's what I'm doing.
RE: Crystal Waters...and Project to Help Carla - Monica - 02-25-2012
Easy financing.
Contact me privately for details.