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karmically involved wanderer - Youami - 02-02-2012
There is a quote somewhere within the Ra material to the effect of:
"the danger is that the wanderer will forget it's mission and become karmically involved, and swept into the chaos it came here to help avert. The way a wanderer becomes karmically involved is by acting in a negative manner towards other selves"
I also remember reading that if this is the case the karmically involved wanderer risks having to repeat 3D and suffering a serious evolutionary setback.
this is the situation I seem to have have fallen into. I have no doubt in my mind that I am a wanderer and have come here to help others. I was part of an ever growing group of immensely talented positive people whom I felt past life connections to all of them and unfortunately through some basically really selfish actions on my part I alienated myself from all of them. There was a beautiful love story involved and I through breaking off a wedding brought sorrow to a very large extended group of people. It seems like an opportunity of a lifetime, or more likely several lifetimes building up to this, gone wrong. It was really the kind feeling where you felt like you truly belong in a place, but it all got F'd up.
Anyways, I now am living in a place far away where I don't belong, with little to no hope of reconciliation with those people i have mentioned, and I feel like I might be almost totally off my intended life path. When I read about the wanderer who could become karmically involved it really struck me, and I'm not sure what to do now.
So, according to the Ra material, perhaps I might have to repeat 3d again, with a whole new set of souls and lose contact with all those souls whom I have been evolving with lifetime after lifetime, who were my friends and lovers in this life, but no longer. It's a scary thought to say the least. This is far beyond the normal boy/girl breakup story. I really think there was a grander plan because there were so many positive people involved peripherally in the extended group I was a part of.
I'm doing my best everyday where I am at now but I think of all the missed opportunity and I am worried for my/our future. What do I do now? Just be positive, help others and hope for the best? Turn myself as STO as possible to offset the trouble I caused?
I wish I would have found all this information sooner because everything would have made sense at the time and i would have known exactly what to do, which is Love.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - zenmaster - 02-02-2012
Quote:12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? Or what density do they come from?
Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom of which it had incarnated to avert the destruction.
12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give an example of that?
Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.
I'm not sure if I'd call it a serious evolutionary setback. It's all perspective. If a person attempts to become aware, they can use the catalyst in 3D to evolve 100 times faster than is typically possible in the higher densities. Further, that 3D-catalytic evolution will be based on precisely those distortions needing balancing in the higher densities.
If there is karma, just make it conscious and it's gone.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - kycahi - 02-02-2012
From what I have been seeing recently in the Michael Newton books, if you truly have an old bond with those friends, a way to reconnect with them is possible, in fact nearly certain. Further, after you show your sincere contrition, they will welcome you back.
Start doing two things: search for a way to reconnect and prepare yourself for the inevitable.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Plenum - 02-02-2012
(02-02-2012, 01:10 AM)Youami Wrote: some basically really selfish actions on my part I alienated myself from all of them. There was a beautiful love story involved and I through breaking off a wedding brought sorrow to a very large extended group of people. It seems like an opportunity of a lifetime, or more likely several lifetimes building up to this, gone wrong. It was really the kind feeling where you felt like you truly belong in a place, but it all got F'd up.
if I could ask, what led you to this decision? How long before the wedding did you break it off? how old were you?
apologies if this is too much 'digging', but maybe going to the origins of 'what went wrong' might be helpful in resolving this situation. If the original issue has not yet been corrected, then it is hard (in my opinion) to offer true forgiveness to yourself.
again, if this is too senstive, then please ignore this post
blessings friend.
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RE: karmically involved wanderer - Meerie - 02-02-2012
I am sure you had your reasons for breaking off the wedding, maybe it simply was not supposed to be?
I don't think all is lost for you, you might feel down and worry about missed opportunities right now, but for every door that closes there is another one that opens.
And I agree with Kycahi about the possibility of reconnecting with these people.
Forgive yourself for what happened in the past, and if they are true friends they will forgive you also when you reach out to them.
Much love and light to you!
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Ankh - 02-02-2012
Welcome to this forum.
Ra said that most of the senior vibration plan their catalysts and their incarnation in order to learn and grow. Did you consider that you might have planned this situation for yourself? You and your other soul mates? What are the lessons for you in this? This was planned with unconditional love between all of you, and you all believed that you needed this experience, and that *you could handle it*. All is well, my friend. Have faith.
Mind also Ra's choice of words that Wanderers can become karmically involved, which means that it's not necessary that they will. Karma is released as soon as one finds the forgiveness for the self.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - AnthroHeart - 02-02-2012
Being harvestable is being able to accept a certain intensity of Creator's love and light.
As I understand it, we're the only one that determins if we are ready for 4D harvest.
We are always at the perfect place we need to be at, when we need to be there according to Bashar.
I've been pretty crappy to some other people in the past, but I've learned to forgive myself.
Still, sometimes old feelings surface, and I deal with them the best I can.
I do my best now to search out opportunities for being of service to others.
It's all about right now, the everpresent now. As Ra says, this moment contains love.
Even if we can't see it, there is love.
By being here on this site now, and asking the questions you are asking, I don't think you've forgotten your mission. You're conscious of things that many others are not. You consciously are working to get through your karma, and that's a good sign.
When I'm feeling out of it, I ask the angels to come into my heart and help give me that much needed boost of love. It helps me deal with a lot of my anxieties of life.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Parsons - 02-03-2012
You do not have to prepare to make up for any karma. Just think of this. Can you go back and change it so you made the opposite decision? No, you can't change it. And to lay to rest your question on whether to ever try to go back and fix things: ask yourself if you went in with the best of intentions, would you improve all their lives as a whole? If you're a good person, and they could forgive you, then maybe yes. If you will do more harm than good in you're opinion and you would be serving yourself to the detriment of others, then maybe not.
But as for how long it will take you to work off any negative karma from that situation? Zero. Just ask yourself if you would ever do that again, if no, then there is no reason to have any negative karma or guilt. It's a moment past in time, you can't change the past. You can reset your karma to 0 in this way at will. I use this when people try to guilt me when the feeling of guilt doesn't serve me, so I choose to ignore it.
Seriousness aside, welcome to the forums! The more people that join, the more insight and information is gained by all of us.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Aureus - 02-03-2012
I wrote a blog entry about this a while ago, perhaps it could be of use
http://yourfriendamicus.blogspot.com/2011/10/regret.html
Also I'd like to share a quote from the LOO:
Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but also the forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
Much Love
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Oceania - 02-04-2012
can you forgive yourself without asking others for forgiveness?
i'm also afraid of not making the grade... even if i had no karma, i'd be afraid to accept the "intensity". sometimes it sounds so scary to go 4D as they make it sound so intense. i doubt not marrying someone counts though.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Listener - 02-06-2012
Despare not. Things happen for a reason.
Everything is as it should be my friend. You will see. Love and light to you
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Plenum - 02-06-2012
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did this guy ever come back and read the answers that we lovingly crafted for him??
(02-02-2012, 01:10 AM)Youami Wrote: I wish I would have found all this information sooner because everything would have made sense at the time and i would have known exactly what to do, which is Love.
there's so much more information and help that is to be had here youami!
cool name btw. Very clever. I thought you were Japanese at first lol
RE: karmically involved wanderer - AnthroHeart - 02-06-2012
(02-04-2012, 12:09 AM)Oceania Wrote: can you forgive yourself without asking others for forgiveness?
i'm also afraid of not making the grade... even if i had no karma, i'd be afraid to accept the "intensity". sometimes it sounds so scary to go 4D as they make it sound so intense. i doubt not marrying someone counts though.
Indeed. Ra refers to 4D as a denser illusion. The intensity though is of love and light. We go where we are most comfortable. I don't know, sometimes I feel like I'm in a hurry to get back to Creator.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Oceania - 02-07-2012
want to go back to heaven.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Youami - 02-08-2012
Hey all,
Thanks for all the answers you so lovingly crafted for me. I appreciate your insights. Yes, it comes down to forgiving others and myself.
RE: karmically involved wanderer - Pablísimo - 02-08-2012
I remember the quote you are referring to in this thread. I believe it is this one:
Quote:12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give an example of that?
Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.
Did you notice the parts I bolded? This has always tickled the very back of my mind. I realize that this was just AN example and this does not necessarily mean it is the only way a wanderer can become karmically involved. However, Ra are very wise, and I suspect that this particular example was chosen for a reason and has multiple layers of meaning yet undiscovered. When I read it, I sense there are at least three clear distinctions being made that I would do well to ponder. 1) Acting unlovingly rather than merely feeling or thinking unloving thoughts. 2) Acting unlovingly consciously as opposed to accidentally or out of ignorance (pre-awakening, perhaps!). And 3) A distinction between acting consciously unloving alone and on your own... and acting unloving in concert with other beings. Things like organized war or bullying someone as a part of a group of bullies. But only THEN if it was done with some awareness/consciousness -- not if you're brainwashed by patriotism or just confused.
The reason I offer all this to you now is because I feel it might help you to ponder the finer points of what karmic involvement actually entails. Maybe you haven't condemned yourself to another 26k - 76k years of 3D insanity. Maybe you're just being a tad harsh with yourself? Maybe just a BIT???
Your post really made my heart throb. Because I sense myself in your words. I have recently had a major inner transformation regarding self judgement and forgiveness. I finally realized that despite great outward love to others, I had been harshly judging myself for a very long time. I lacked forgiveness of my own mistakes and transgressions and I was just too hard on myself. It always seemed so easy to forgive those who hurt me, but forgiving MYSELF and not unfairly judging MYSELF is something that eluded me for many years. Morality, kindness, and love are so important to me that I held myself -- a silly 3D human like the rest of us -- to an UNREASONABLE standard. We don't have all the picture here in this density, we cannot see the hearts and minds of everyone around us, and there is such deep confusion. We owe ourselves every bit as much kindness and compassion as we so freely bestow on others.
When I read your post, I recognized the energy. I recognized it because I've done it myself. You seem so hard on yourself, so judgemental of you -- you who are me, you who are the very Creator. You are a wonderful, beautiful divine expression of Infinite Love and Light! I'm sure you've done bad things in your life -- we all have. Me included. But even though it might be hard, please try to open your heart for yourself and forgive. I know it's easier said than done, but YOU are just as worthy of forgiveness as every Other-self. This is true no matter WHAT you've done to others. The heck with your mistakes, you are worthy of forgiveness.
If it helps to hear it from an Other-Self, then please hear it now. HEAR -- HERE IN THE ETERNAL NOW. Hear it please:
I FORGIVE YOU!!! I LOVE YOU!! WE ALL DO!!I am those people you hurt. I am you. And I forgive you and love you anyway, no matter what bad choices you made. Please know that.
I can tell you already know that forgiveness of Self and Other-Self is the key to dissolving the karma. I knew it too, intellectually. But I struggled with actual practice until one day I finally made the connection. We truly ARE ONE. To judge yourself is to judge everyone else. To withhold forgiveness of yourself is to withhold forgiveness of everyone else.
You may or may not need to do more action in the world to right this situation. Maybe you should make a phone call. Maybe you should just leave it be. I don't know what is best for you -- this is your own unique Path. What I do know is that if you go within and meditate with an open mind and heart, the answers you seek for what right action, if any, that is required to put it right will come to you. In my experience a clear mind and open heart are all that's required to receive the guidance we so desperately need.
But regarding the Karma itself...if you wish to dissolve it, you know what road to take. The road of forgiveness of self and others. You have already stated you understand this, and I totally believe you. Your destiny is not written in stone -- your future in this density and beyond are yours to Author. You don't have to be karmically involved unless you Choose to be.
Brother, Sister, Other-Self, whatever you are and wherever you are -- we love you. We forgive you. May the karma melt away in the Light of Awareness and in the Love of Forgiveness... of Self and Other-Self.
I leave you with a few quotes from Ra that have inspired me when contemplating this topic.
Quote:17.20 ....The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in the last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.
Quote:18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but also the forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
Love to all
RE: karmically involved wanderer - native - 03-03-2012
Very well said Pablisimo. I agree with all of it in its entirety, and I appreciate your loving words.
As an addition, several times when Ra was speaking about the higher-self and its relationship towards providing catalyst for the current self we find ourselves in, they seem to refer to the experience of the present self as other-self. Simply stated, from the higher-self's perspective which is always looking backwards, the here and now is the other-self.
They seem to be imparting yet another metaphor. What are we always doing? Looking backwards at our past and feeling guilty about it. The other-self seems to be a reference to the non-accepted aspects of self (past mistakes..and of course, our separated perceptions of other people), and we channel our higher-selves in the present by learning to forgive that other-self. That's healing!