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What is true, lasting forgiveness? - Plenum - 01-26-2012
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some relevant quotes:
18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but also the forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
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34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalysts that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?
Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.
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I am thinking that true forgiveness is an indigo ray activity. ie:
forgiveness = acceptance (green ray) + understanding (blue ray)
have you ever come across situations where you thought you forgave yourself/other-selves, and then realised the action was incomplete (there was still karma owing). That might be forgiveness that is just on the green ray level (acceptance of the situation, embracing it) but not fully understanding how it came to be or why it existed in the first place (blue ray or understanding). Or vice-versa, with blue ray only forgiveness, without the acceptance and complete love.
what's your take on Total Forgiveness?
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RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - zenmaster - 01-26-2012
Usually the things that are eradicated through forgiveness were attachments. No need to forgive if there is no attachment.
RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - kycahi - 01-26-2012
We who have the privilege of knowing the Ra material and these forums might think, "I forgive them for treating me that way," but bear some lingering burden of resentment or other negative emotion. If so, we have to notice that in ourselves and forgive it away too.
We can discuss which color each of them is but, of course, the main goal is to achieve full forgiveness of all the selves.
If anyone disagrees with what I just wrote above, know that I already forgive you.
RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - Aureus - 01-27-2012
I think the best way to achieve true forgiveness is to meditate on it. If one has the Law of One in mind, it is through forgiveness of self you learn forgiveness of other. Also to practice the act of forgiveness silently will dicipline the mind to let go of attachments.
Project the self upon others, stand in his/her shoes, let go and bathe in relief from realizing unity or connectedness.
RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - Diana - 01-27-2012
(01-26-2012, 10:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Usually the things that are eradicated through forgiveness were attachments. No need to forgive if there is no attachment.
I agree with Zenmaster. Many confuse an emotional religious-like forgiveness with the simple act of detachment. Detachment in the sense that you are no longer attached to the issue. Attachment can take many forms. Many therapies successfully deal with "forgiveness" by removing the emotional charge in the issue (the attachment).
RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - Peregrinus - 01-28-2012
"Living without attachment". Is that not the state which is referred to as enlightenment?
Forgiveness of self or other-self requires the will to begin. It matters not only how many times one thinks or says "I forgive you" to self or other-self, but that the effort towards forgiveness is made to begin with. As Ra would say, "It is The cornerstone attempt". Each successive reaffirmation will yield a result, like going from skeleton closet to skeleton closet, through door after door, and eventually one will have come to the last door, and then through it.
RE: What is true, lasting forgiveness? - abstrktion - 01-29-2012
Dear Plenum -- Loved your post and your take on forgiveness. I think you are spot on. I would add one thing that I just experienced last week. Sometimes hurtful situations cause a deep and genuine despair--but that despair seems to me of a similar emotional hue/intensity to joy. It was a very odd experience when the despair sort of "flipped over" with understanding and quite suddenly turned into joy and gratitude. The trouble is holding onto that moment of transcendence as the thoughts turn occasionally back to the situation...of course, that's where Will and Faith come in! (The Will that is the control of thought and the Faith that all really is according to my own "plan" and that all is well). I love that you use quotes here. Seems very solid that way.