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UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-01-2012
A lot of good work went into this Outpost Forum thread: UFO misperceptions. Which basically shows how easily people can be fooled into seeing something they want to see. Some of these photos may be familiar.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Oceania - 01-01-2012
yep, the cloud punch is familiar. and norway spiral. do you think DW was wrong?
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-01-2012
(01-01-2012, 09:52 PM)Oceania Wrote: yep, the cloud punch is familiar. and norway spiral. do you think DW was wrong?Sorry, about what?
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Oceania - 01-02-2012
them made by haarp
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-02-2012
The Norwegian blue spiral missile explanation has been opposed by some in the 'industry'. People will believe anything they are fed (both ways, of course).
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Oceania - 01-03-2012
it wasn't a missile. it's a perfect spiral.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-03-2012
(01-03-2012, 06:46 AM)Oceania Wrote: it wasn't a missile. it's a perfect spiral.
Just to clarify, that's what I was pointing towards.
Missiles do not produce vivid blue contrails (especially combined with a discrete white contrail), or create perfect spiral geometry.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - BrownEye - 01-03-2012
I remember the video of that spiral. It created a perfect circular field of color spiral. Depending on which video you watch, you will also see a black pinpoint in the center grow to almost the size of the circle. That dark center was actually darker than the backdrop of the sky.
The spiral wasn't super interesting to me. But the darkness that opened up at the center was pretty spooky. Obama didn't bat an eyebrow on his trip there, so it had to be a known test going on.
I also remember a beam of light coming out of a hillside. So first impression was a hologram of some sort.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - jacrob - 01-04-2012
The writer was basically debunking anything he could lay his hands on. Although I must admit to being alarmed at the products available to the public to enable large scale hoaxing; intentionally or not.
Some trite reasons were given for UFOs (getting bored of the missile excuse.....). And to the lucid of mind a floating balloon/lantern cannot equate to the intelligent movement of a craft.
It would have been a nice balance if he'd included some pics of UFOs that experts agree are intelligent craft/thoughtforms. The myriad examples of these easily procurable to someone actively researching the topic.
Having seen numerous UFOs that defied the laws of gravity (my memory of a bright, opaque and fluorescent orange ball 5x the size of the moon, bouncing in the sky like a basketball then stopping suddenly and dematerialising slowly comes sharply to mind) I prefer to see a mixture of the 'proven' legitimate photographs and the hoaxers versions. Definitely helps with one's future discernment.
For those of us who have photographed orbs moving the powder thesis was flimsy. Again there is vast research available on these interesting apparitions.
The Norway spiral continues to have question marks all over it. Intuition tells me it's definitely NOT related to man made ballistics. However with all the disinformation surrounding this topic I haven't made up my mind. But it does have the positive aspect of keeping one on the search for the truth.
Unfortunately I think a huge side-effect of his theories will be to put the brakes on those just beginning their search for truth and understanding.
Basically I would question his motives for the thread.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-04-2012
People who have not had UFO experiences can wear the skeptics hat to the point of ignorance/arrogance, forcing their view onto another's experience, for example.
I've seen many myself, and if I had taken pictures or videos they would have been easily replicated with today's software.
When someone turns around and says "Ah, it was probably a helicopter or a satellite", one has to simply laugh.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Oceania - 01-04-2012
he seemed to believe in UFOs. we have to allow for skepticism. a believer needs to study these things from both sides to come to a balance.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-05-2012
(01-04-2012, 04:55 AM)jacrob Wrote: The writer was basically debunking anything he could lay his hands on.He was/is doing a service and a lot of work went into it. I participated in a few of those 'debunkings' personally. The Brazillian ballon, for example, was championed by adamant 'believers' as proof of ET craft. It really goes both ways, with the believers usually being wrong (on the forums).
The self-proclaimed, open-minded, fanatics typically ridicule the 'debunkers' for their efforts at determine the usually mundane explanation. Actually, a member of this forum posted a youtube video depicting what he thought were UFOs flying around a volcano - was actually stars. But he was certain of it. With lack of discernment, broken intuition, and wish-fulfillment, conspiracies are thus born (with DW, et al. propagating their utter nonsense).
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - BrownEye - 01-06-2012
(01-04-2012, 08:14 AM)Namaste Wrote: People who have not had UFO experiences can wear the skeptics hat to the point of ignorance/arrogance, forcing their view onto another's experience, for example.
I've seen many myself, and if I had taken pictures or videos they would have been easily replicated with today's software.
When someone turns around and says "Ah, it was probably a helicopter or a satellite", one has to simply laugh.
I am going to call a UFO sometime soon. Or interdimensional vehicle, whatever you want to call it. It will be a new area of experimentation for me. (The wife is adamantly against it)
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - jacrob - 01-07-2012
Pickle have you seen a UFO in the flesh? A wonderful, life altering experience to say the least. I hope whatever comes from your 'calling' it's positive.
Namaste you are correct. I find it's water off a ducks back when someone doesn't believe me. No one I know personally has seen a UFO.
With all the hoaxers out there I wouldn't waste my time on most of these vids....although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good. Check out his vids with Santiago Garza (I'll try to find some links in a minute) at the UFO conferences. Some of the footage he presents are things that I've seen myself in the flesh and for me personally there's an instinctual ring of truth to what he says.
I'm sure in one of his videos he speaks of the Norway spiral but I can't remember which one.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good.Probably, but he's not the most discerning guy. He doesn't really care.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - BrownEye - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: Pickle have you seen a UFO in the flesh?
Yeah. Funny but this pic showed up on Rense right after what I saw. This is pretty much the exact vantage point I had, but it was darker for me. This pic has a red light on it which was not on what I saw.
![[Image: p2003_0201_weyauwega1.jpg]](http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk7/VibratingPickIe/p2003_0201_weyauwega1.jpg)
I had seen something shoot across the horizon, and by the time I had felt the shock of realization, the light suddenly vanished. Directly after that I noticed movement in front above me. It was dark enough that all I could see well is the three lights that looked exactly like recessed ceiling lights. It came from the direction of the light that vanished, just slowed right over me, turned and went back the way it came.
Previous to that all I have seen is distance stuff doing the 90 degree hyperspace moves.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - jacrob - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 03:29 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good.Probably, but he's not the most discerning guy. He doesn't really care.
My impression is exactly the opposite! Amazing how differently people see the world!
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Oceania - 01-07-2012
Pickle you should obey your wife.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - AnthroHeart - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 03:36 AM)Pickle Wrote: Previous to that all I have seen is distance stuff doing the 90 degree hyperspace moves.
They must have solved the problem of inertia. Maybe something like inertia-dampeners.
(01-07-2012, 03:39 AM)jacrob Wrote: My impression is exactly the opposite! Amazing how differently people see the world!
Yeah, I tend to see people as anthros, which resonates very well with me. And the sky is often a cartoon blue.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 03:39 AM)jacrob Wrote:It's 'selective open-mindedness' at work, where one will indiscriminately promote 'evidence' brought to their attention. For example, a video showing a party balloon will be labeled as ET controlled craft. Considering that he always has a choice when constructing presentations, I say he doesn't care (to bother to discriminate). What does that mean? If UFOlogy is supposedly research oriented, presentations on the subject which waste people's time and regress understanding are not exactly of benefit.(01-07-2012, 03:29 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good.Probably, but he's not the most discerning guy. He doesn't really care.
My impression is exactly the opposite! Amazing how differently people see the world!
Four years ago, Nick Pope thought someone's (obvious) picture of a bird was the best UFO picture he'd ever seen (in all seriousness). Pope used run the British Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defense, now he's a UFO 'entertainer' like Maussan.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-07-2012
(01-06-2012, 10:15 PM)Pickle Wrote: I am going to call a UFO sometime soon. Or interdimensional vehicle, whatever you want to call it. It will be a new area of experimentation for me. (The wife is adamantly against it)
Post 2012 winter solstice (the quarantine lifts according to Bashar), I'll be doing the same.
I also followed Steven Greer's 'protocol' in which to contact ETs, and have had consistent success, with various people accompanying me. Each time they have gone to bed that night with a new, more open mindset about what is possible (and out there).
(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: Pickle have you seen a UFO in the flesh? A wonderful, life altering experience to say the least. I hope whatever comes from your 'calling' it's positive.
Namaste you are correct. I find it's water off a ducks back when someone doesn't believe me. No one I know personally has seen a UFO.
With all the hoaxers out there I wouldn't waste my time on most of these vids....although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good. Check out his vids with Santiago Garza (I'll try to find some links in a minute) at the UFO conferences. Some of the footage he presents are things that I've seen myself in the flesh and for me personally there's an instinctual ring of truth to what he says.
Agreed on all points. I too do not care if another ridicules or does not believe me, it's their choice. I also ignore video's on youtube, as I see no added value in them (once you've seen one yourself of course).
My 'best friend' (a twin flame, actually), had a close encounter when very young. He was with his mother at the time, late one night. She went in to his room to find him starting out the window, with bright light shining in through it. The craft was about 20 feet away, hovering outside and over their house. It slowly moved over the house, and hovered the other side of it (they ran to the back windows to watch), for it only to return to the front a few minutes later. They watched it for a while before it 'zipped' up, instantly, disappearing in under a second.
He can only share it with a few people, as most laugh and think he's just joking. Some people have also tred to convince him that it was a dream. Others tell him to stop telling lies. One even tried to convince him that it was a helicopter.
The people in question are genuine, honest people. In fact, the mother would rather not talk about it :¬)
(01-07-2012, 10:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote: It's 'selective open-mindedness' at work, where one will indiscriminately promote 'evidence' brought to their attention. For example, a video showing a party balloon will be labeled as ET controlled craft. Considering that he always has a choice when constructing presentations, I say he doesn't care (to bother to discriminate). What does that mean? If UFOlogy is supposedly research oriented, presentations on the subject which waste people's time and regress understanding are not exactly of benefit.
The opposite is also true, skeptics employ 'selective closed-mindedness' for things that do not fit with their own paradigms and understanding. Even those in the research field. The door swings both ways, equally :¬)
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - zenmaster - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 11:22 AM)Namaste Wrote: The opposite is also true, skeptics employ 'selective closed-mindedness' for things that do not fit with their own paradigms and understanding. Even those in the research field. The door swings both ways, equallyIt should be obvious that 'the opposite' is also true. Although from what I've seen the ardent 'believers', on the whole, tend to be more fantasy prone, less methodical, and more given to wish-fulfillment when promoting their 'belief'. It's dishonesty when a limited worldview is not accounted for (zealotry betrays honesty) when information is shared. If you over-extend or fabricate a claim, you are lying to yourself and others - as Ra said 'not teaching what you are learning'.
When we talk about skeptics and believers, we are always talking about how unfalsifiable, not generally understood, yet some how compelling, information is created and shared. The dishonest skeptic will tend to think they posses the knowledge necessary to explain the subject, where they don't. Whether that is due to reductionism, materialism, denial, or whatever. OTOH, the dishonest believer will promote possibilities (as historical reality) only if they like what the implications of an idea suggest to them.
So with the dishonest believer you often have some claim being promoted because it is unconsciously associated with some higher-guiding belief, suspicion, or ideal. The claim (conspiracy, would-be historical fact, personal experience) is used (mostly unconsciously) as a support, vehicle, or delivery mechanism for the (more important) belief, suspicion, or ideal.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - BrownEye - 01-07-2012
Quote: Post 2012 winter solstice (the quarantine lifts according to Bashar), I'll be doing the same.
I also followed Steven Greer's 'protocol' in which to contact ETs, and have had consistent success, with various people accompanying me. Each time they have gone to bed that night with a new, more open mindset about what is possible (and out there).
Im just using a broadcaster. Looking into it last night, it appears I need to send to a specific type or species.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Bring4th_Austin - 01-07-2012
The whole "quarantine ending in 2012" is congruent with Q'uo as well. Don't have time to find the source sessions, but if you look up sessions regarding the "time lateral," Q'uo associates the lateral with the quarantine and suggests that the time lateral will end on the Winter solstice in 2012.
I don't think this means that individuals will be able to just "call on UFO's" willy-nilly, even in personal settings. The free will implications are probably deeper than we can really understand. Q'uo has suggested such calls are often answered by Orion entities anyways.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-07-2012
(01-07-2012, 12:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote: When we talk about skeptics and believers, we are always talking about how unfalsifiable, not generally understood, yet some how compelling, information is created and shared. The dishonest skeptic will tend to think they posses the knowledge necessary to explain the subject, where they don't. Whether that is due to reductionism, materialism, denial, or whatever. OTOH, the dishonest believer will promote possibilities (as historical reality) only if they like what the implications of an idea suggest to them.
So with the dishonest believer you often have some claim being promoted because it is unconsciously associated with some higher-guiding belief, suspicion, or ideal. The claim (conspiracy, would-be historical fact, personal experience) is used (mostly unconsciously) as a support, vehicle, or delivery mechanism for the (more important) belief, suspicion, or ideal.
(01-07-2012, 03:08 PM)Pickle Wrote: Im just using a broadcaster. Looking into it last night, it appears I need to send to a specific type or species.
Which species might that be? :¬)
(01-07-2012, 05:06 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The whole "quarantine ending in 2012" is congruent with Q'uo as well. Don't have time to find the source sessions, but if you look up sessions regarding the "time lateral," Q'uo associates the lateral with the quarantine and suggests that the time lateral will end on the Winter solstice in 2012.
I don't think this means that individuals will be able to just "call on UFO's" willy-nilly, even in personal settings. The free will implications are probably deeper than we can really understand. Q'uo has suggested such calls are often answered by Orion entities anyways.
Excellent, thanks. I'll do some research in the L/L library.
Bashar mentioned that 'contact' may not be what people expect (i.e. physical), and, at least to start, will be of telepathic nature. Following that, individuated contact will begin with those wh are open and ready.
He predicts (as it stands) 'mass landings' in about 20 years in the future.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - AnthroHeart - 01-08-2012
Wow, a lot can happen in 20 years. I've only known about the Ra material for about 2 years.
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - BrownEye - 01-08-2012
(01-07-2012, 08:56 PM)Namaste Wrote: Which species might that be? :¬)
This morning I looked at a list, got Arcturians and Tau Cetians.
Looking them up I found these, which seem very connected to the direction I have taken, especially the Arcturians.
The Arcturians’ main activity therefore appears to be one of,
-integrating spiritual values with advanced technologies
-providing strategic advice in transforming planetary systems
In conclusion, the Tau Cetians main activities lies in,
-raising awareness of how to deal with the subversion of societies by extraterrestrial races
-identifying corrupt elites and institutions
-uplifting human consciousness
-developing strategies for negating advanced mind control techniques
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Namaste - 01-08-2012
Interesting stuff Pickle. Do share your experiences!
Tom - I know, it's incredible to think what can happen in such a time-span. Can't wait!
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - Parsons - 01-11-2012
Pickle, considering if you believe that distance can be an illusion, might I help aid this effort somehow? I dont have any practical knowledge, but I can make up for this with enthusiasm for either one of us successfully calling one(which wouldnt be a UFO technically since it wouldnt be "unidentified"). =O)
There are miles of city around me, so you may have better luck than me coaxing one out unless I know a specific time when to go drive out into the desert...
RE: UFO misperceptions - samples - jacrob - 01-13-2012
(01-07-2012, 10:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-07-2012, 03:39 AM)jacrob Wrote:It's 'selective open-mindedness' at work, where one will indiscriminately promote 'evidence' brought to their attention. For example, a video showing a party balloon will be labeled as ET controlled craft. Considering that he always has a choice when constructing presentations, I say he doesn't care (to bother to discriminate). What does that mean? If UFOlogy is supposedly research oriented, presentations on the subject which waste people's time and regress understanding are not exactly of benefit.(01-07-2012, 03:29 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-07-2012, 01:37 AM)jacrob Wrote: although instinct tells me Jaime Maussan is presenting videos for the greater good.Probably, but he's not the most discerning guy. He doesn't really care.
My impression is exactly the opposite! Amazing how differently people see the world!
Four years ago, Nick Pope thought someone's (obvious) picture of a bird was the best UFO picture he'd ever seen (in all seriousness). Pope used run the British Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defense, now he's a UFO 'entertainer' like Maussan.
You certainly cannot lump Nick Pope in with Jaime Maussan. I loved the talk Colin Andrews gave on Crop Circles whereby goes into some detail on Nick Pope's activities.....suspicious to say the least.
In Jaime Maussan's defence I could say alot however this may be then be interpreted as 'selective open-mindedness'. I can only suggest that those who have seen UFOs watch his UFO conference talks with Santiago Gauza and compare the footage with their actual experience. I'd like to hear other's opinions. Sometimes things strike a powerful chord and reasonate powerfully. I must admit also my selective open-mindedness is thoroughly enjoying a Bashar moment right now! "I bid you good-day!!!" Just love it when he says that!
(01-08-2012, 04:39 PM)Pickle Wrote:(01-07-2012, 08:56 PM)Namaste Wrote: Which species might that be? :¬)
This morning I looked at a list, got Arcturians and Tau Cetians.
Looking them up I found these, which seem very connected to the direction I have taken, especially the Arcturians.
The Arcturians’ main activity therefore appears to be one of,
-integrating spiritual values with advanced technologies
-providing strategic advice in transforming planetary systems
In conclusion, the Tau Cetians main activities lies in,
-raising awareness of how to deal with the subversion of societies by extraterrestrial races
-identifying corrupt elites and institutions
-uplifting human consciousness
-developing strategies for negating advanced mind control techniques
Pickle can you clarify what sort of 'call' you wish to make. Initially I was thinking you might have wanted some sort of distant, visual experience. On further reading it sounds like you are attempting a more interpersonal interaction. Facinating. But whatever you do please protect yourself! abridgetoofar's comments on Orion contact is apt.....maybe you should listen to your wife.