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Up/Down or Down/Up - ncging - 12-07-2011
In a linear sense was it the Infinite Creator first, and then 1D, then 2D, etc... Or was it 1D first and moved up in densities and eventually became the Infinite Creator?
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-07-2011
" QUESTIONER: Can you tell me the first known thing in creation?
RA: The first known thing in creation is infinity.
QUESTIONER: What is the next step?
RA: Infinity became aware."
"RA: Step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know (or experience) Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified."
Hope this helps!
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - ncging - 12-07-2011
So the "entropy" moved upwards in an evolution-ish fashion that that grew into the world around us and beyond?
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-07-2011
In my opinion id say it all sprouted down from the creator, because the creator made individualized portions of itself (you and me) as described in my last post. Perhaps the next excerpt will answer your query.
"As the Creator decides to experience Itself It generates into that plenum (nothingness that has the potential for being) full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifest to your perceptions as space or outer space"
"RA: The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware conscious principle called intelligent infinity. (NOTE: When infinity focuses itself, then creation occurs.)"
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - ncging - 12-07-2011
So, to make sure I understand this correctly. Nothing became everything (infinity). This everything became more and more complex until eventually re-becoming the everything it once was. (possibly affected by learning)
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-07-2011
I'm not positive on this, i'll look into it and if someone doesn't answer it before I do, i'll see what I can do.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Oceania - 12-07-2011
there is no time. so really, that's a chicken egg paradox. i try to explain this. i see it only visually. but i can't make heads or tails of it.
if it's infinity, densities, then it's for our benefit. but really, it's like saying, there's an atom, which came first, the atom or an electron, and then a proton, and then that other stuff in the atom, and the emptiness, and whatnot, when probably the atom just was what it was. because you can't have infinity without all it contains can you? there is no time. or is there? is there time outside time?
lets say, you branch out into this infinity, take a boat. you form your adventures, as if nothing has existed before you. and the future is empty and white as canvas.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-08-2011
What I was coming up with reasonably corresponds with Oceania's post. I will continue developing and let you know what my opinion is, anyone else please feel free to assist me!
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Oceania - 12-08-2011
it also means, nothing exists. as there is room for that to be true. the question is, how do you get there?
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - kycahi - 12-09-2011
My simplistic answer is The One "came first," or always was. It created Light (i.e. energy), which it used to make particles, which became Stuff. It also created logoi with whom it evolved the Densities.
All is One and a single word accurately identifies the relationship of The One to the all. In this language, that word has four letters.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-09-2011
Love?
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Oldern - 12-09-2011
There is no such thing as "nothing became everything".
The concept of infinite is very, very tricky. As someone who studied mathematics (not that I was particularly good at it, as I might not get that degree but anyway), mathematicians can easily deal with the concept of "infinity" because they made up some rules about it (to every x in N: x+infinity = infinity. Same goes for negative infinity and any number), but that wont make the infinity a grounded concept.
What I always imagined though is this: Infinity is the Creator. The Creator (or Creation, whatever) is Infinity. Then it suddenly (or gradually, does not matter) becomes "aware", and starts to fall into infinite(!) pieces. Imagine those as 6th density beings, or 5th denstiy. Imagine that as a water spill coming out of the ocean. Now, what is really interesting here is this: THIS universe, I think, is just ONE suitable place for experiencing being the Creator for all 3th, 4th, 5th density beings. Therefore for THIS universe, first, there was the Word. There was the light. This universe or this plane (out of all the other infinite planes, where other-selves are going through the same, yet different motions than we do) was created by giving it enough love (energy) to sustain itself and a set of unique laws that later allowed all the planets, stars to form "naturally".
Therefore I would always think that while the Creation itself is always infinite, this plane of existence DOES have a beginning, although that concept of "beginning" is flawed after all. But you get my point anyway
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Observer - 12-09-2011
I like the way you put that, its quite like what I was thinking but I couldn't exactly find the words to say it, perhaps its the mathematics studies.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - zenmaster - 12-09-2011
Session #28 addresses this question.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - ncging - 12-09-2011
Thanks everybody
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - fr33d0m - 12-09-2011
(12-07-2011, 04:26 PM)ncging Wrote: In a linear sense was it the Infinite Creator first, and then 1D, then 2D, etc... Or was it 1D first and moved up in densities and eventually became the Infinite Creator?
In a linear sense, I think you're right. Creator first, then consciousness evolving up through the densities 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc eventually back to Creator again.
Now once you remove "in a linear sense" from the discussion, it gets crazy.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - kycahi - 12-10-2011
(12-09-2011, 07:17 AM)Observer Wrote: Love?
Yes, of course. The only two things that make the Universe as we know it are Love and Light. That's why Don and Carla named their organization L/L Research.
& :idea:
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - βαθμιαίος - 12-10-2011
(12-10-2011, 12:02 AM)kycahi Wrote: Yes, of course. The only two things that make the Universe as we know it are Love and Light. That's why Don and Carla named their organization L/L Research.
Also free will.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Tenet Nosce - 12-10-2011
This isn't an endorsement of everything in the video... but the visual effects of creating the Flower of Life explains it better than words, I think.
The next one in the series talks about it again at 3:08.
Also... I think the most correct framework is inside/out.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - AnthroHeart - 12-10-2011
Thanks Tenet. I liked the 2nd video. The presenter was rather entertaining.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Oldern - 12-10-2011
Tenet Nosce, I could not help but watch all the spirit science videos...currently at no.7. Oh god, I need to get this thing on as many online sites as possible. Things really are changing
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Tenet Nosce - 12-10-2011
(12-10-2011, 02:53 PM)Oldern Wrote: Tenet Nosce, I could not help but watch all the spirit science videos...currently at no.7. Oh god, I need to get this thing on as many online sites as possible. Things really are changing
Yes! I didn't even know anything like this was out there at all. Actually I was searching YouTube for an old video that showed the geometric progression of the Flower of Life, but this one came up first.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - ncging - 12-11-2011
I just watched the entire series, thank you. They were very educating.
RE: Up/Down or Down/Up - Diana - 12-11-2011
Awesome videos TN. Thank you! I'm sharing them with friends. My boyfriend did a piece of art on the computer years ago, and said he was channeling it--it was exactly the flower of life which he created with circles in the exact way it showed here.