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Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
I've been looking at the mythos of the Stargate series, and it is a little weird to consider. The conspiracy concept of keeping "secrets out in the open", and taking the truth and expressing it as fiction makes me wonder about these things.
The Goa'uld seem to be the spitting image of STS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa%27uld
And something about the Ori and presenting the religion of Origin, which is basically a claim of a process of ascension to enslave, I find very peculiar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ori_(Stargate)
I guess just some interesting food for thought! Aha
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-02-2011
Hiding things out in the open.....hmmmmm.....not a fan of the idea
our minds are of the same galaxy and we have been creating the same dynamic structuring of Mind in everything throughout history.
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-02-2011
It's not a conspiracy and hardly secret. Archetypes in general necessarily find forms of expression in the collective unconscious (i.e. as character traits, struggles, mythos). The better artists know this fact and tend to create more compelling stories by giving these templates social relevance.
Although many conspiracy-oriented people tend to see popular TV and cinema as outlets for 'disclosure' leaks, for example, mythos is more fundamentally about 'self' (as social complex) attempting to recognize self. Similar to our individual minds, as a collective, we 'put out' unconscious questions which are 'answered' by art, war, or some kind of projection. It's undirected potential energy.
RE: Weird Fiction - Kiko - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 08:47 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Although many conspiracy-oriented people tend to see popular TV and cinema as outlets for 'disclosure' leaks, for example, mythos is more fundamentally about 'self' (as social complex) attempting to recognize self. Similar to our individual minds, as a collective, we 'put out' unconscious questions which are 'answered' by art, war, or some kind of projection. It's undirected potential energy.
Your response makes a lot of sense to me. I have been saying to friends and others for some time that the greatest teachers here during this crazy time are the artists, writers, film makers, actors, and so on.
Although most actors say that they do not believe any of what they portray, their mediums and genres certainly expound truths which are recognised by many, if only at a subconscious level. As many could no doubt relate, much of what passes for fiction in the world is reality for us. And beautifully so, too!
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
While I do absolutely agree with you Zenmaster, I always come to the question of manifestation. With the infinite universe in mind it seems to me that all imagination is in fact reality which can be accessed from a reference point. Of course, thinking of the show literally would be misleading, however that doesn't mean that these things do not have realistic parallels.
Simply, because it can exist in the mind, I must also assume it thus must exist in reality. Whether or not it is a part of our current experiential reality, I suppose, is another question in itself.
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-02-2011
But there is no reality BUT what is in the Mind. So, think its real out there and, in the Mind, it is real. The only real thing is the Mind, and like the spectrum of light that we perceive as quantifiable, the Archetypal Mind has the same repeated spectrum of its own. Over and over and over again, the Mind creates the same spectrum that IS the Mind. This religion, that religion; this artistic expression, that artistic expression; this reason to fight, that reason to fact; this drastic change that 'needs' to happen in the world, that drastic change that 'needs' to happen in the world. They all form the same pattern that is the Mind, just like the colors of the rainbow combine together to brighten up any room with Light.
I have this unique 3DMonkey personality because I hate the game. I really, really, really hate the game. When I say hate, I mean I don't want to play the game.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
You are speaking with a solipsist perspective, which is unfortunately rather limiting. There is much more that is real than simply the Mind. The mind is a director, it only provides for perspective. The mind can do no work on its own, it is only an organizer. We use the mind, but it is not the extent of our reach, we are much beyond any simple cognition. I assure you, were you to strip away your mind and all thoughts associated with it, you would still thoroughly exist. We are not just a Mind, we are Mind/Body/Spirit complexes and this is well to remember. These three work in unison and none are without the others.
You are playing the game by hating it, sorry to say. You made the choice to come here, but it is up to you whether or not to accept that choice. You, my friend, have reached indecision about how you wish to play the game... or perhaps you've chosen without even realizing it...
You are the painter who choose the colours to use. We all know that if you do not distinguish your own patterns and colour forms you'll end up with nothing but a black, muddle canvas which is difficult to discern any meaning in. However, at the same time you can find infinite meaning in it, it all depends on what you wish to see.
Do you wish for pain, suffering and the continued playing of this game? Always keep in mind, you have to progress through the game to free yourself from it, because you chose to begin it in the first place. Your hate will keep you in it, that is the nature of hate, it is just another form of love by which you attach yourself.
However, I would say that your continued presence on this forum reveals a deep desire in you to reach out and to open up. You have made the choice, but you fear that it is meaningless. I assure you, the light will not lead you astray should you give it your trust. Let go of your fear, my friend.
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-02-2011
Had to look up "solipsist", Mr. Smarter than the Average Bear
I'm just unable to say what I see. Articulate, if you will. The me that lives in you is the only thing being limited by choosing to view me under a heading of "solipsist."
What I see is that every bit of reasoning used by the Mind fits into a clear construct. We call this construct, the Mind. Archetypes are used to study/explain/learn/express how this Mind "is".
I don't quite believe anymore that I, "I", exist throughout incarnations neither that I have a "me" that carries forth into time/space. I think the very idea is nothing more than a facet of the Mind that is this existence.
Surly, all that science has discovered exists without the "me" construct. It "is". But I have no applicable relation to it, I only perceive it, and in this perceiving, the only thing that "is" is my Mind that perceives it, or Co-creates it, to be whatever I choose it to be.
I don't wish for pain and suffering, and my actual life is quite pleasant and flowering. We do get back what we put out, but this doesn't carry us to new heights in placement. Placement is derived from a collective of Mental constructs acting upon one another, together. We stumble upon new placements within the illusion, we do not create them ourselves. We apply our construct to an other's and the bouncy ball starts flying around.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
Ah, you see here you miss a fundamental point. We DO create them ourselves. Every single aspect of your life, your existence, you have created and decided upon for yourself. You are speaking only of identity, however remember that nothing is lost. Memory is always there, and the memetic imprint of your existence is REAL and will always be present in this universe. All that you perceive is an extension of what you are.
Certainly, what you think of yourself now is limited to this time point reference, in that the "you" that exists now does so in its own individual little "plot" of time.
Notice how your fundamental beliefs about what you believe the nature of your own personality is, dictates your own perception of that reality. You are free to adjust this in any way you so choose.
You give away that control to whatever other forces, and so leave yourself without that capacity. It is always a choice.
Of course, I am only giving you possibilities to work with, in my desire to be of service.
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-02-2011
I thank you for that, honestly.
Quote:Ah, you see here you miss a fundamental point. We DO create them ourselves. Every single aspect of your life, your existence, you have created and decided upon for yourself. You are speaking only of identity, however remember that nothing is lost. Memory is always there, and the memetic imprint of your existence is REAL and will always be present in this universe. All that you perceive is an extension of what you are.
I see this as a facet of the Mind. This that you have written is but a piece of the puzzle of the Kabbalah, the Tarot, the Zodiac, the Tree, modern psychology, the Kundalini, Yoga, energy centers, DENSITIES. They are all the same, they fit into how the human existence and its overall Mind concludes the in-streaming energies. It certainly is Real, and it is the coordinates of our place amongst universal energy flow. But, what I see is that we aren't what we would like to imagine our Self to be.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
We are everything we imagine ourselves to be, and that is the power of being a Creator. It all started with just... one... thought...
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 03:58 PM)Azrael Wrote: While I do absolutely agree with you Zenmaster, I always come to the question of manifestation. With the infinite universe in mind it seems to me that all imagination is in fact reality which can be accessed from a reference point. Of course, thinking of the show literally would be misleading, however that doesn't mean that these things do not have realistic parallels.I'm not sure how what I said negates that imagination has a basis in 'reality'. Of course it does, like any idea, it offers an opportunity for direction. The fewer alternative choices for depicting something relevant to one's interests, the more any single one would have an effect. And it's likely Ra would dismiss the show as a 'children's story' or a 'distraction', although many (such as DW) lap the concepts up as if they had a numinous or transcendent quality or that it even accurately describes current or future events.
Simply, because it can exist in the mind, I must also assume it thus must exist in reality. Whether or not it is a part of our current experiential reality, I suppose, is another question in itself.
To many that would promote a fictional piece to relevance in practical matters, it's as if all of the fictional ideas had equal weight as possibilities in reality. That is, there's little discernment is available as to the relative importance or utility of its 'thematic elements'. But as the child matures, the nature of the mind itself becomes more obvious, there is more 'sophistication' - a broader and deeper awareness from which to contextualize these opportunities for direction.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
Ah, I see, must have misread, what we have here is truly a distinction of forms. In that these fictional ideas present truth clothed in a form that is unique to the individual.
Quote:Questioner: You mentioned the word “Empire” in relation to the Orion group. I have thought for some time that the movie Star Wars was somehow an allegory for what is actually happening. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in the same way that a simple children’s story is an allegory for physical/philosophical/social complex distortion/understanding.
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-02-2011
Different aspects of reality mean different forms of truths. Allegorically, the 'universe' continually plays back answers to those not-quite articulated or elicited questions.
Quote:16.49 Questioner: To make this a little more clear, if I were to daydream strongly about building a ship, would this occur in one of these other densities?
Ra: I am Ra. This would/would have/or shall occur.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
Ah, we are most certainly on the same page!
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 08:57 PM)Azrael Wrote: Ah, we are most certainly on the same page!
Hey! Why didn't I get one of these. I fell like I've been saying the same durn thang
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
I then also refer to the manner by which fourth dimensional thoughts may become third dimensional. There comes a point where you can cross things over the density barriers. I use this in reference to the way Ra supposedly constructed the Great Pyramid from thought-forms and "dropped" it down in to Third Density.
Quote:Questioner: This is rather trivial, but I was wondering why the pyramid was built with many blocks rather than creating the whole thing as one form created at once?
Ra: I am Ra. There is a law which we believe to be one of the more significant primal distortions of the Law of One. That is the Law of Confusion. You have called this the Law of Free Will. We wished to make an healing machine, or time/space ratio complex which was as efficacious as possible. However, we did not desire to allow the mystery to be penetrated by the peoples in such a way that we became worshipped as builders of a miraculous pyramid. Thus it appears to be made, not thought.[/b]
It makes me increasingly curious if it is possible, by learning these techniques and their mechanics, that one in Third Density could also perform the same kind of thought-form manifestation. What do you think?
Aha We are merely having distortions of communication due to wording, I am sure we are also on the same page.
(08-02-2011, 09:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:(08-02-2011, 08:57 PM)Azrael Wrote: Ah, we are most certainly on the same page!
Hey! Why didn't I get one of these. I fell like I've been saying the same durn thang
I would merely exemplify that we are Mind/Body/Spirit complexes, not merely Mind. Even the most basic facets which were the harvest of the previous octave included the Mind/Body/Spirit which was then made complex.
RE: Weird Fiction - Joseph326 - 08-02-2011
Tired of the game? One fun thing about this 'game' is that it is only a game if you want to experience it as such. Simply a perspective to view it through. One could just as easily view it as an ever-changing work of art, a dynamic play with the best actors in the universe, or an advanced school for students of existence.
Maybe I'll play the part of an artist in this game. Perhaps the art of my choosing will be the creation of games. I could teach others how to design their own games, or how to orchestrate their own play, and when I get tired of that I could relax and paint my own interpretation of the dance of colors I see as the other actors/artists/players/whatever go about finding new ways of describing their experience of themselves and the _____________ we have all collectively contributed to.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
Excellent, Joseph, that is very true! I like to think of it as a game, myself, because I love games! And I find it to be the best way to describe something that is FUN. Maybe that's why I'm such a nerd...
You've inspired me, I am a video game designer and I put down my dream a bit, but I think I really should pursue it!
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 09:07 PM)Azrael Wrote: I then also refer to the manner by which fourth dimensional thoughts may become third dimensional. There comes a point where you can cross things over the density barriers. I use this in reference to the way Ra supposedly constructed the Great Pyramid from thought-forms and "dropped" it down in to Third Density.It was dropped down to First Density. 'Third Density' forms are essentially 'body complexes'.
(08-02-2011, 09:07 PM)Azrael Wrote: It makes me increasingly curious if it is possible, by learning these techniques and their mechanics, that one in Third Density could also perform the same kind of thought-form manifestation. What do you think?To that extent, who knows? I'd say no, due to lack of mental capacity. Also, even 4th Density entities must learn how to shield themselves from 3rd density. Presumably, the manifestation of one's own form would be easier to work with than pulling a thought into atomic, structural manifestation.
RE: Weird Fiction - Joseph326 - 08-02-2011
We manifest thought-forms in our reality on a regular basis. We just do not realize it in most cases. Everything around us is a thought-form that you and everyone around you has agreed to experience as 'physical.' In order to provide continuity within all perspectives of this density of experience, a 'physically' manifested thought-form must satisfy the belief systems of each entity that will potentially experience it. Luckily for those of us existing in/as mind/body/spirit complexes on this plane, we have the convenience of simply observing, choosing and setting forth the desires that spirit/higher self will use to conceive and set into motion the appropriate experience.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
Doesn't it say that the stones are alive, though? I suppose this would still be First Density.
Perhaps, I'm not sure. I'm not sure how we would lack mental capacity, I mean humans are building nano-structures, it doesn't seem that far off from atomic construction. Also, the question of whether or not we could get assistance from our Higher Self is something I've pondered. I find the body to be way more complex than an objects, but perhaps that's just me. Hmmm! Food for thought, indeed.
Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking too Joseph! We are already "dropping" down all of our thought-forms, but it happens fairly automatically. Whereas the difference would be in the conscious intention and action, perhaps.
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-02-2011
(08-02-2011, 10:36 PM)Azrael Wrote: Perhaps, I'm not sure. I'm not sure how we would lack mental capacity, I mean humans are building nano-structures, it doesn't seem that far off from atomic construction.If you can envision the completeness of such a structure in your 3D mind, complete with the artisan marks and atomic granularity, that's quite a different feat. I can barely maintain an image of a basic, abstract square pyramid shape.
RE: Weird Fiction - Unbound - 08-02-2011
To be completely honest I'm not sure a precisely literal image in the mind is needed. Naturally you would need to be proficiant as visualization which can take years to train, but there are some people with a very natural ability for such a thing. I've read some things describing the process of "precipitation" by which you work in conjunction with your higher self. Of course, a Pyramid is an incredibly huge, complex object. But lets say you want to make a little pyramid out of only one element. You'd have to know the dimensions, the geometric atomic structure and be able to envision it, but I think the imagination is capable of how shall I say "painting" the details as they need to. You would not need to envision every single little atomic spot but rather trust your creative intuition. Hard to say, really!
RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-03-2011
One thing I'm not getting across here is that the mind is what created the idea of the mind/body/spirit complex to begin with. This is the nature of the mind construct. We do have a body but it wasn't created by thought. No, the thought of what a body is was created by Mind. As is densities. As is color energy rays.
The spirit is the intangible body-like aspects that exist without being able to directly point them out by the mind. We deal with mystery because we can't figure out what else to label it.
The more we place the pieces of our perception into the same mental cubby holes as another individual, the more we come together as a unit. Each individual has a massive grid of cubby holes and I don't think any two individuals' grids have ever matched up. Then we get groups whose grids are so different there is huge static and war breaks out. Within these grids of mental constructs we have an awareness scale- awareness of where we have placed certain archetypes into which cubby hole. The more aware one is of their own grid, the more tolerant they are of every other grid, and sometimes it even works out that they can help someone unaware of their own grid shift and reposition their mental contructs to match the person's who is aware.
All this adds up to what? That we are metaphysical beings here for a ride? In a sense, but not exactly. What we experience is how energy has manifested in our tiny little spot in the universe. This leaves extraterrestrials out there with the possibility to be of a Mind totally, completely different. They wouldnt get us any more than we would get them. But theyre out there, no doubt. They are not angels. They're just different. There is nothing to say they live float out of their body into time/space as a unified entity. There is only the probability that they exist.
RE: Weird Fiction - Aaron - 08-03-2011
(08-03-2011, 12:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: One thing I'm not getting across here is that the mind is what created the idea of the mind/body/spirit complex to begin with. This is the nature of the mind construct. We do have a body but it wasn't created by thought. No, the thought of what a body is was created by Mind. As is densities. As is color energy rays.Can you expand on the mental cubby holes concept?
The spirit is the intangible body-like aspects that exist without being able to directly point them out by the mind. We deal with mystery because we can't figure out what else to label it.
The more we place the pieces of our perception into the same mental cubby holes as another individual, the more we come together as a unit. Each individual has a massive grid of cubby holes and I don't think any two individuals' grids have ever matched up. Then we get groups whose grids are so different there is huge static and war breaks out. Within these grids of mental constructs we have an awareness scale- awareness of where we have placed certain archetypes into which cubby hole. The more aware one is of their own grid, the more tolerant they are of every other grid, and sometimes it even works out that they can help someone unaware of their own grid shift and reposition their mental contructs to match the person's who is aware.
All this adds up to what? That we are metaphysical beings here for a ride? In a sense, but not exactly. What we experience is how energy has manifested in our tiny little spot in the universe. This leaves extraterrestrials out there with the possibility to be of a Mind totally, completely different. They wouldnt get us any more than we would get them. But theyre out there, no doubt. They are not angels. They're just different. There is nothing to say they live float out of their body into time/space as a unified entity. There is only the probability that they exist.
And what does this have to do with Stargate?
(beloved show, by the way)RE: Weird Fiction - 3DMonkey - 08-03-2011
The way I see the complicated expression that is the Archetypical Complex is to take the the 22 archetypes multipied by octaves of each of these and every combination that can be made with each. Cubby holes; available to each entity.
We have certain ones lit up, or color coded; however you want to look at it. The archetypes are user specific, so you'll need to use your imagination. The archetypes are also endless in expression, but we can see which humans we 'resonate' with because we share many of the same highlighted cubby holes (honeycombs) that we have structured with our Mind/Body/Spirit Complex. When our cubby holes line up with another's, or at least a majority, with have some peace and understanding. Of course, in the massive amount of available cubby holes, we can have conflicting alignments, causing disruption and disagreements. (random word choice).
The Mind is such that it can't escape itself. Even enlightenment comes around again to the back door eventually created the same style of structure it thought it had escaped from to begin with.
I also note that their are entities who haven't put much effort into looking at where their cubby holes are placed (or perhaps they desire a rearrangement) and they will allow an other to match up their cubby holes for them.
I don't know what this has to do with this thread :0
I'm not very confident that the cubby holes visual for the complicated way the Mind works will ever be quantifiable in any way, but I am looking into it as a whole. A complicated whole.
RE: Weird Fiction - zenmaster - 08-03-2011
(08-02-2011, 10:55 PM)Azrael Wrote: I've read some things describing the process of "precipitation" by which you work in conjunction with your higher self.The difficulty is that intuition works in conjunction with what is already known and understood. You experience a synchronicity, you think about someone just before they call you.. These are functions of the intuition, but they do nothing to construct or to explain without something made prior to that information. The intuition 'fills in the gaps' only between things which are already known. There is an inherent difficulty with the 3D mind in envisioning anything as it may be understood as a 'thing in itself'. That comes with the next step.
RE: Weird Fiction - drifting pages - 08-04-2011
Solipsism can't be really disproved though ;D (or proved i think)
To me there is consciousness, it creates infinite propositions of what reality is like, its a never ending vortex of thoughts.
that is why there is stuff going on, otherwise it would just be and that is it.
I like infinite experiences thanks
I get to choose what i prefer.