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Escaping from negative time/space - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011
Continued from the debt forgiveness thread.
(06-24-2011, 02:10 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-24-2011, 01:59 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-24-2011, 01:51 PM)Oceania Wrote: yes but it must be possible to solve it in space/time by leaving the planet.
How? You'd be the slave of an extremely wise and powerful entity. Your only way out would be to become negative yourself.
In theory, say the opportunity arose for you to steal a ship (the kind using the sling-shot effect Ra talks about)...couldn't you escape to positive space/time? What is it that wouldn't make this possible?
I feel like Ra would have said something about leaving negative space/time physically if it were possible, but I can't think of any reason it isn't.
I'm not sure, but I assume that incarnating into negative space/time means being born to negative parents in a negative social memory complex. In such an environment, it's hard to see how a positive entity could maintain positivity. I'm not sure how it could carry out a plan to steal a ship given that in fourth density and higher all thoughts are known to all members of the social memory complex.
(06-24-2011, 02:11 PM)Oceania Wrote: well i can be wise and positive. and if it's 3D i can still have the option of polarizing positive. even if i am initially feeling crabby there i can remember i want to be positive, and hold onto that as a goal. then i can be as negative as i need to be to escape.
The kind of negative time/space I'm thinking of is 4D, 5D, or 6D.
(06-24-2011, 03:58 PM)kycahi Wrote: Ra said you can switch from STS to STO or vice versa at any old time.
Not in negative time/space, I don't think.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 10:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure how it could carry out a plan to steal a ship given that in fourth density and higher all thoughts are known to all members of the social memory complex.
That's a good point, but it raises another question: aren't negative entities plotting to overthrow their "superiors" all the time? Isn't there constant bidding for power within STS complexes? When all thoughts are known, how is something like that possible?
Also, if the entity is proficient at using the thought type of travel, couldn't they just think themselves out of negative space/time?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Raman - 06-24-2011
It seems negatives know where "their place" is, at least after the initial fights. Then, it could be that advancing takes "owning" 3d's or even positive 4d's if opportunity arises. That is what Orions for example, tried/try to accomplish in earth at times. They could try to own/destroy a 6d if a wanderer in 3d, also.
It seems rules of the game are very different 4d and above. Then there is access to time/space/space time in 4d...and even more control in 5d negative. It seems to me that negative time/space is under strict control, at least by 5d's.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Oceania - 06-25-2011
well i was thinking of mainly 3D because when in 4D 5D or 6D you would get different powers and limitations. how far advanced do you have to be not to be trickable?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - kycahi - 06-25-2011
(06-24-2011, 10:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-24-2011, 03:58 PM)kycahi Wrote: Ra said you can switch from STS to STO or vice versa at any old time.
Not in negative time/space, I don't think.
Well yeah, time/space is where we examine and contemplate and try real hard to memorize our intentions so that when we get to space/time we can act accordingly or, in other words, actually accomplish something.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Oceania - 06-25-2011
in negative ts one would be isolated. so nothing would happen. when you incarnate in st you have to get off the planet. is that possible in 4D 5D or 6D? in 5D you can again be alone, i think, but i'm confused about that. if you're a wanderer from 5D in 3D, would you be tricked into 5D or 3D?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - βαθμιαίος - 06-25-2011
You would be tricked into the negative density most closely matching your home density, so in your example 5D.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - 3DMonkey - 06-25-2011
(06-24-2011, 11:42 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-24-2011, 10:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure how it could carry out a plan to steal a ship given that in fourth density and higher all thoughts are known to all members of the social memory complex.
That's a good point, but it raises another question: aren't negative entities plotting to overthrow their "superiors" all the time? Isn't there constant bidding for power within STS complexes? When all thoughts are known, how is something like that possible?
Also, if the entity is proficient at using the thought type of travel, couldn't they just think themselves out of negative space/time?
Ra does say that sts has a high rate of overturn, or drop outs, because of this. There is a quote somewhere....
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - zenmaster - 06-25-2011
(06-24-2011, 10:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:Yet one out of five 4D-negative polarized entities become positive and graduate to 5D positive, according to http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=47&ss=1#5 .(06-24-2011, 03:58 PM)kycahi Wrote: Ra said you can switch from STS to STO or vice versa at any old time.
Not in negative time/space, I don't think.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - βαθμιαίος - 06-25-2011
Wouldn't the switching happen in space/time?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - zenmaster - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 10:24 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Wouldn't the switching happen in space/time?Yes, incarnation seems to be the way out for 3,4,5 and 6th densities. I look at time/space as analogous to the mind. Time/space is a mind principle. For a positive-polarized being, negative time/space has not yet been created or explored, as that path of discovery of self by self had been rejected. Yet it's your mind - it is completely you that you are exploring - just from an aspect that was innocently ignored or cut off. The self must be known using the opportunities offered by the self.
After a certain point in 6D, all aspects of mind have been created or explored - no polarity. But before that, one does not own or know the self.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - 3DMonkey - 06-25-2011
zen, could you continue that train of thought as it may pertain to the social aspects?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - zenmaster - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 11:17 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: zen, could you continue that train of thought as it may pertain to the social aspects?Once incarnated, from the space/time (local or body) - orientation, that same time/space becomes layered or like a 'tree' that Ra described. One of the layers of your mind is shared - social or cultural. This social layer form the collective biases that are inherited from the local archetypal patterns.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Oceania - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 09:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(06-24-2011, 11:42 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-24-2011, 10:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure how it could carry out a plan to steal a ship given that in fourth density and higher all thoughts are known to all members of the social memory complex.
That's a good point, but it raises another question: aren't negative entities plotting to overthrow their "superiors" all the time? Isn't there constant bidding for power within STS complexes? When all thoughts are known, how is something like that possible?
Also, if the entity is proficient at using the thought type of travel, couldn't they just think themselves out of negative space/time?
Ra does say that sts has a high rate of overturn, or drop outs, because of this. There is a quote somewhere....
find it plz!
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - zenmaster - 06-25-2011
(06-24-2011, 11:42 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, if the entity is proficient at using the thought type of travel, couldn't they just think themselves out of negative space/time?space/time is an exploration of a portion of your time/space mind - its a manifestation of your time/space affinities. Where are you going to go in space that matters?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Bring4th_Austin - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 12:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-24-2011, 11:42 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, if the entity is proficient at using the thought type of travel, couldn't they just think themselves out of negative space/time?space/time is an exploration of a portion of your time/space mind - its a manifestation of your time/space affinities. Where are you going to go in space that matters?
Wouldn't an entity who was tricked into negative time/space, then incarnated into 4/5D space/time have the veil removed? Couldn't they remember a past lifetime of positive space/time, and using the thought-based travel simply travel to the locus of that lifetime?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - native - 06-25-2011
Sesson 70 addresses this
70.23.......I am very interested in knowing, if placed in a negative time/space, why it is necessary to incarnate in negative space/time and learn/teach love of self and develop—I guess—a sixth-density level of polarity before you can release that potential difference. Could you speak on that subject?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.
The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - carrie - 06-25-2011
Hi,
in essence,
you need to build enough polarity to escape. This is a fundamental 'cornerstone' of the Law of One
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Bring4th_Austin - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 02:50 PM)Icaro Wrote: Sesson 70 addresses this
70.23.......I am very interested in knowing, if placed in a negative time/space, why it is necessary to incarnate in negative space/time and learn/teach love of self and develop—I guess—a sixth-density level of polarity before you can release that potential difference. Could you speak on that subject?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.
The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.
I'm still curious as to why they couldn't use thought-based travel to leave the situation.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - βαθμιαίος - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 11:56 AM)Oceania Wrote:(06-25-2011, 09:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ra does say that sts has a high rate of overturn, or drop outs, because of this. There is a quote somewhere....
find it plz!
7.15 Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.
Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.
It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - zenmaster - 06-25-2011
(06-25-2011, 03:49 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:thought-based travel is a function of polarity. Polarity is a function of mind - that which has been actualized or balanced from the logos which provides a learning template or blueprint in the form of archetypal principles. The collective sub-logii refine these principles. This is what is inherited to use for the space/time incarnation.(06-25-2011, 02:50 PM)Icaro Wrote: Sesson 70 addresses this
70.23.......I am very interested in knowing, if placed in a negative time/space, why it is necessary to incarnate in negative space/time and learn/teach love of self and develop—I guess—a sixth-density level of polarity before you can release that potential difference. Could you speak on that subject?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.
The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.
I'm still curious as to why they couldn't use thought-based travel to leave the situation.
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - Bring4th_Austin - 06-25-2011
This is possibly a silly question. How connected are polarity and discipline of personality?
RE: Escaping from negative time/space - spero - 06-26-2011
i'm not sure thought-based or actual travel (e.g with a space ship) helps an incarnate negative entity switch polarity. We know that members of the orion group travel to all parts of the galaxy (e.g. earth) in order to serve and therefore leave the negative planetary influences from which they originally came. Doing so however does not enable them to switch polarity since they are still incarnate in 4th or 5th density bodies of a social memory complex of a negatively polarised nature.