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What would you do as a Logos? - Unbound - 04-24-2011
Judging from the patterns of evolution, I have a strong feeling that somewhere along the point there will be the experience of the Logos, after obtaining enough 'spiritual mass' perhaps, and the chance to express your own "macrocosmic" system. What do you think of this? In foresight how do you think you would design your system?
I think I put this in the wrong category...
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - turtledude23 - 04-24-2011
I think I'd let 3D entities consciously experience multiple realities simultaneously so they could be aware of what is like to be an inspired artist, STO adept, STS adept, and a suffering orphan, at the same time. It would provide its own unique set of lessons and challenges compared to what we have now. Their life would be more focused on choosing a path but it wouldn't be as easy as pre-veil because they'd never know for sure which reality is "actually" happening to them, so it would build faith too. And if its happening to everyone I assume there wouldn't be any social stigmas about someone acting "crazy".
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 01:43 PM)Azrael Wrote: Judging from the patterns of evolution, I have a strong feeling that somewhere along the point there will be the experience of the Logos, after obtaining enough 'spiritual mass' perhaps, and the chance to express your own "macrocosmic" system. What do you think of this? In foresight how do you think you would design your system?
I think I put this in the wrong category...
as logos, you would only be able to modify the rules/laws/experience that your higher logos created, just like how this particular logos did.
the deal is, first becoming the sublogos of a logos with the distortions you prefer. and that would require first changing yourself, and then things that are probably too wide and deep to discuss here.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - NegaNova - 04-24-2011
Probably discuss and debate with the other trillions of souls that are now part of me as to what we should do lol, kind of like what we're doing right now! Sort of. Haha.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - hogey11 - 04-24-2011
This has me somewhat thinking about our own sub-logos and our own reality...
I don't know if anyone's read Hidden_Hand's account as an STS entity within the illuminati, but in it, they claim that the reason they (being Lucifer) came to this planet was because our own Logos (Yahweh) was not doing a very good job. The Garden of Eden, according to this person, was an example of this imbalance; in the density of confusion, 3D, Yahweh had created no decisions, as everything was perfect. In the most catalyst heavy of densities, things were completely stagnant and zero lessons were being learnt. In turn, the Confederation asked Lucifer to come to our planet and provide that 'other choice', and the serpent was born to offer another choice to Adam & Eve. Yahweh gets pissed off at this and banishes Lucifer to the inner planes, and thus our theological world is spread before us.
If I was to take that testimony as fact, how would one go forward as to not make the same mistakes as our own creator? Our Logos failed to create a 3D environment in which confusion was being created or dealt with, and had to be intruded upon. It seems the key is giving enough confusion as to make it somewhat difficult, but ultimately never undermining your overall progress through unjust or undue punishment. Its almost like teaching children; you have to challenge them, but also encourage and build them up at the same time.
So, for myself, here's my short list (up to 3D, as I can't speak to past that):
1D
- Gravity would be lessened as to not punish the clumsy so terribly (lets say 70% earth gravity thereabouts)
- More water on earth, but less requirements on water for life
- I don't know enough physics to have any more 1D ideas
2D
- 2D entities would have increased capacity to communicate
- As mentioned before, life would be less reliant on water for survival, but it would be required for comfort and relaxation.
- 2D entities would respond to intention much stronger than they do here
3D
- I would use a bipedal land/aquatic being, seeing as my 3D worlds are dominated by water
- They would have an increased influence over the earlier densities; advanced communication with 2D entities, etc.
- I would make it so that a person's strength equaled their true influence. Entities could lend their energies to others to make them more 'powerful' or strong or whatever, but only when the intention is there (cannot share, only donate for whatever time is chosen)
- The mundane aspects of life would be easier than our lives, with food/health/shelter in abundance. The major aspects of confusion would come from the energies aspect; as entities gain more influence and support, how do the personal dynamics play out when power is only granted by a conscious decision?
haha I have no idea if I did this right, but it was fun to think of regardless
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - 3DMonkey - 04-24-2011
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - NeoIcebreaker - 04-24-2011
How awesome! I've also thought of what it would be like to be a logos creating new experiences for the little mini me's lol. What those experiences would be is just too far out there. Though its still fun to think about. I can't help thinking what this logos has planned for us. From what I've read about future technology, we'll either explode out into space and surf the very fabric of space or we'll shrink down and ride ribbons of light on a quantum computer mainframe. !O.O! or perhaps both. Maybe we'll surf through space on a ship thats a giant memory stick that house's trillions of souls and create 3D projections in the same way we create programs and use those to interact with other worlds like aliens do to us and, and, and.... I think I have to sit down lol
I dont mean to double post but my phone isn't working the way i want it to. I don't know to much about aliens or what they do and my comment was a bit off topic from the Law of One, but writing and reading other peoples comments just makes me stand in awe when it comes to the creative spark. I'm new to this forum but I can tell you Im going to love being here.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Bring4th_Austin - 04-24-2011
I would create an environment in which the Lord of the Rings could take place! And then hope it happened...
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - turtledude23 - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 05:41 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I don't know if anyone's read Hidden_Hand's account as an STS entity within the illuminati, but in it, they claim that the reason they (being Lucifer) came to this planet was because our own Logos (Yahweh) was not doing a very good job. The Garden of Eden, according to this person, was an example of this imbalance; in the density of confusion, 3D, Yahweh had created no decisions, as everything was perfect. In the most catalyst heavy of densities, things were completely stagnant and zero lessons were being learnt. In turn, the Confederation asked Lucifer to come to our planet and provide that 'other choice', and the serpent was born to offer another choice to Adam & Eve. Yahweh gets pissed off at this and banishes Lucifer to the inner planes, and thus our theological world is spread before us.
Theres very little publicly available knowledge about the STS path from inside sources because they would rather keep the information to themselves and only give it out as rewards to people who served them, so I doubt there could be a book such as what you described and be legitimate. Furthermore I doubt that account is true since it sounds more like the wishful thinking of someone raised Christian who wants to somehow put their beliefs into a different picture. Yahweh isn't our Logos but a social memory complex and our Logos is one of the post-veil ones so it had the 2 paths in mind well before humans were created.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 07:21 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would create an environment in which the Lord of the Rings could take place! And then hope it happened...
it happened in an alternate universe. and you have observed it without having to incarnate there.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - NegaNova - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 07:21 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would create an environment in which the Lord of the Rings could take place! And then hope it happened...
I'm with you on this one.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 08:05 PM)turtledude23 Wrote:(04-24-2011, 05:41 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I don't know if anyone's read Hidden_Hand's account as an STS entity within the illuminati, but in it, they claim that the reason they (being Lucifer) came to this planet was because our own Logos (Yahweh) was not doing a very good job. The Garden of Eden, according to this person, was an example of this imbalance; in the density of confusion, 3D, Yahweh had created no decisions, as everything was perfect. In the most catalyst heavy of densities, things were completely stagnant and zero lessons were being learnt. In turn, the Confederation asked Lucifer to come to our planet and provide that 'other choice', and the serpent was born to offer another choice to Adam & Eve. Yahweh gets pissed off at this and banishes Lucifer to the inner planes, and thus our theological world is spread before us.
Theres very little publicly available knowledge about the STS path from inside sources because they would rather keep the information to themselves and only give it out as rewards to people who served them, so I doubt there could be a book such as what you described and be legitimate. Furthermore I doubt that account is true since it sounds more like the wishful thinking of someone raised Christian who wants to somehow put their beliefs into a different picture. Yahweh isn't our Logos but a social memory complex and our Logos is one of the post-veil ones so it had the 2 paths in mind well before humans were created.
"service to self lie". this was what Ra said about service to self.
it is appalling that, despite having read these, there are still people believing sources which explicitly call themselves sts.
not to mention that, the hilarious source described has named this logos as 'yahweh'.
as you know, yahweh was a guardian group of the confederation, which has caused quarantine of this planet, and which were quarantined off the planet like any other source.
you cant quarantine a logos, from its planet.
this alone should indicate how unreliable and bogus that source is.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Bring4th_Austin - 04-24-2011
Not to cast doubt nor support the information put forth in the Helping_Hand sessions (referenced by hogey11), but in it Yahweh was described as a "sub-sub-logos," and if I recall the information correctly, the description seemed to fit that of a Guardian group.
I have no opinion or stance on the material, but I remember the description of Yahweh fitting that put forth by Ra and Q'uo. This is if my memory is serving me correctly.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 09:43 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Not to cast doubt nor support the information put forth in the Helping_Hand sessions (referenced by hogey11), but in it Yahweh was described as a "sub-sub-logos," and if I recall the information correctly, the description seemed to fit that of a Guardian group.
I have no opinion or stance on the material, but I remember the description of Yahweh fitting that put forth by Ra and Q'uo. This is if my memory is serving me correctly.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=sub-sub&look_here=answer%2Cquestion&search_type=phrase&row_limit=30&numeric_order=0&ss=1&sc=1
any entity walking on this planet are also named 'sub-sub logos'. with that logic, a 3d entity would also be a guardian. or any group on this planet, or another, a guardian group.
i wasnt able to find the part yahweh being dubbed sub-sub-logos either, as a sidenote.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - AnthroHeart - 04-24-2011
I remember reading on a post that it would be a social memory complex that would form a Logos. That might make more sense, and at least in that situation you wouldn't be alone in your decision making.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Bring4th_Austin - 04-24-2011
(04-24-2011, 10:55 PM)unity100 Wrote:(04-24-2011, 09:43 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Not to cast doubt nor support the information put forth in the Helping_Hand sessions (referenced by hogey11), but in it Yahweh was described as a "sub-sub-logos," and if I recall the information correctly, the description seemed to fit that of a Guardian group.
I have no opinion or stance on the material, but I remember the description of Yahweh fitting that put forth by Ra and Q'uo. This is if my memory is serving me correctly.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=sub-sub&look_here=answer%2Cquestion&search_type=phrase&row_limit=30&numeric_order=0&ss=1&sc=1
any entity walking on this planet are also named 'sub-sub logos'. with that logic, a 3d entity would also be a guardian. or any group on this planet, or another, a guardian group.
i wasnt able to find the part yahweh being dubbed sub-sub-logos either, as a sidenote.
Yes, I understand the term "sub-sub logos" could refer to a 3D entity. Travelling down the logoi chain, we might even call 3D entities sub-sub-sub logoi. Ra pointed out that just adding "sub" as you travel down the logoi chain is a careless use of grammar.
The point being, Yahweh had more of a hand in creating our 3D experience (through the DNA alteration) than other outside sources. Speculating the channeler held slightly different concepts of logoi than presented in the Ra material, applying the label of logos to Yahweh doesn't seem that far of a stretch for me.
Here's the actual quote from the Helping_Hand stuff.
Quote:Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.
Again, speculation that the description of "Planetary Logos" isn't consistent (and isn't meant to be consistent) with the Ra material.
I reassert my neutral stance on this material. I just want to make sure all parties know what is being discussed without misconceptions.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - hogey11 - 04-25-2011
I only mention it because it resonated with me when I read it.
As far as the logos stuff, I don't know if we should be so concrete in our semantics when we discuss what Ra said and did not say. There are multiple cases in the Law of One where Ra and Don get figures mixed up or where Ra uses a different scale than we do to gauge things. I think that is a possibility here; maybe not probable, but possible.
The example given by Ra is a "mind/spirit/body" complex, right? Well, what if Yahweh is an entity himself?
Taking the HH stuff into consideration, they say that Lucifer - being a 6D entity like Ra - is actually higher evolved than Yahweh is. If this is true, does that make Yahweh a 5D entity possibly? After going through the fourth density of love and entering the density of wisdom, is an entity granted 'creative control' of a planet to help develop their wisdom? Wouldn't this idea make sense if Yahweh had been extremely positive through its 3D/4D incarnations and had made things 'too perfect' on earth as a result? Just a thought....
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 12:59 AM)hogey11 Wrote: As far as the logos stuff, I don't know if we should be so concrete in our semantics when we discuss what Ra said and did not say. There are multiple cases in the Law of One where Ra and Don get figures mixed up or where Ra uses a different scale than we do to gauge things. I think that is a possibility here; maybe not probable, but possible.
if we dont check against a reliable source, lies like the mentioned source is perpetrating can easily fool us.
Quote:The example given by Ra is a "mind/spirit/body" complex, right? Well, what if Yahweh is an entity himself?
yahweh has been named as a guardian group by Ra. and the word 'entity' gets used for many things. it is not limited to anything.
Quote:Taking the HH stuff into consideration, they say that Lucifer - being a 6D entity like Ra - is actually higher evolved than Yahweh is. If this is true,
service to self, lie. a service to other source, would never tell you they were service to self. that makes a source telling you that they are service to self, indeed service to self,
and,
i dont know how this can be stressed more - ra has told that service to self, lie.
Quote: does that make Yahweh a 5D entity possibly? After going through the fourth density of love and entering the density of wisdom, is an entity granted 'creative control' of a planet to help develop their wisdom? Wouldn't this idea make sense if Yahweh had been extremely positive through its 3D/4D incarnations and had made things 'too perfect' on earth as a result? Just a thought....
leaving aside nothing has been even proper or working on this planet in 3d experience, at what level guardianship is possible was not hinted or explained in the material. so, its open for debate.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Bring4th_Austin - 04-25-2011
I would like to point out, Unity, that Ra said STS lie to positively oriented channels. Ra explicitly states that when contacting a negatively oriented channel, they do not find it necessary to lie. The supposed channeler of this information is indeed STS.
Quote:12.15 If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 08:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would like to point out, Unity, that Ra said STS lie to positively oriented channels. Ra explicitly states that when contacting a negatively oriented channel, they do not find it necessary to lie. The supposed channeler of this information is indeed STS.
Quote:12.15 If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.
that is not something particular to contacting entities in 3d planets through channeling or other means. there is not an exception there.
lying, withholding/distorting of truth, manipulation have been described as properties of negative path.
the first requirement for honesty comes in early 6th density, and this is one of the reasons why service to self entities end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density - because indigo ray requires a measure of truth.
before that point, blue is missing from the negative model. blue as in communication, honesty.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Confused - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:10 AM)unity100 Wrote: ...this is one of the reasons...end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density...
What are the other salient reasons in your opinion or understanding, unity100?
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - unity100 - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:16 AM)Confused Wrote:(04-25-2011, 09:10 AM)unity100 Wrote: ...this is one of the reasons...end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density...
What are the other salient reasons in your opinion or understanding, unity100?
impossibility of being able to express infinity with the finite self. (expressing unifiedness of all existence in only its own self)
the fact that harming another entity is harming of self due to interconnectedness, and the negative entity is also ending up not able to enjoy/experience what the other entity would experience if not hampered (indigo ray property of co-creation and feel/experiencing) becoming clear.
more can be discerned. naturally most pertain to the properties of indigo ray.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Confused - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:29 AM)unity100 Wrote: impossibility of being able to express infinity with the finite self. (expressing unifiedness of all existence in only its own self)
the fact that harming another entity is harming of self due to interconnectedness, and the negative entity is also ending up not able to enjoy/experience what the other entity would experience if not hampered (indigo ray property of co-creation and feel/experiencing) becoming clear.
more can be discerned. naturally most pertain to the properties of indigo ray.
Thanks, unity100. That was very informative.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Ankh - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:41 AM)Confused Wrote: Thanks, unity100. That was very informative.
unity100 rocks! Once again a discussion about HH (which probably gives unity another allergic reaction), but weariless, he stands forward as the white knight of Confederation fencing with a blue sword of light!
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Confused - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:53 AM)Ankh Wrote: unity100 rocks! Once again a discussion about HH (which probably gives unity another allergic reaction), but weariless, he stands forward as the white knight of Confederation fencing with a blue sword of light!
We have a rock star with us!! That's great
Nice post, A. But what is 'HH'?
White knight with a blue sword!!
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Bring4th_Austin - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:10 AM)unity100 Wrote:(04-25-2011, 08:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would like to point out, Unity, that Ra said STS lie to positively oriented channels. Ra explicitly states that when contacting a negatively oriented channel, they do not find it necessary to lie. The supposed channeler of this information is indeed STS.
Quote:12.15 If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.
that is not something particular to contacting entities in 3d planets through channeling or other means. there is not an exception there.
Actually, it is specifically about channeling. The quote is in specific reference to contacting entities on 3D planets. Maybe I'm not understanding you, but it seems that you are stating the exact opposite of what Ra states.
Quote:lying, withholding/distorting of truth, manipulation have been described as properties of negative path.
Again, Ra explicitly states in my referenced quote that this is not true when contacting negatively oriented channels. "...do not find it necessary to lie..."
Quote:the first requirement for honesty comes in early 6th density, and this is one of the reasons why service to self entities end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density - because indigo ray requires a measure of truth.
before that point, blue is missing from the negative model. blue as in communication, honesty.
Within the Helping_Hand session there are explanations for all of this. I'm not going to continue to point out all of these facts, because you could read the manuscript yourself and realize what you are saying could be explained within it.
I'd like to express a third time my neutral stance on the material. It is obvious to me, though, that many here choose to judge it vehemently, with almost religious fervor, without even reading through the entire manuscript. In my opinion, such strong preconceptions are dangerous.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Ankh - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:55 AM)Confused Wrote: But what is 'HH'?
Hidden Hand, alias Lucifer Social Memory Complex, that states to be a 6D group at the same level as Ra, but who had to "fall", that is to come to 3D astral planes to provide Earth with the choice, ie catalysts, ie negative polarity.
Here is the URL:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html
(I hope that I didn't give my secret love more allergic reactions now...)
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - Confused - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 10:03 AM)Ankh Wrote: Hidden Hand, alias Lucifer Social Memory Complex, that states to be a 6D group at the same level as Ra, but who had to "fall", that is to come to 3D astral planes to provide Earth with the choice, ie catalysts, ie negative polarity.
Do you personally think that that hypothesis has some validity, A?
Thanks for the URL
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - 3DMonkey - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:55 AM)Confused Wrote:(04-25-2011, 09:53 AM)Ankh Wrote: unity100 rocks! Once again a discussion about HH (which probably gives unity another allergic reaction), but weariless, he stands forward as the white knight of Confederation fencing with a blue sword of light!
We have a rock star with us!! That's great
Nice post, A. But what is 'HH'?
White knight with a blue sword!!
What are y'all talking about? Unity100 indicts himself in all his posts. I simply do not understand the praise this one gets.
RE: What would you do as a Logos? - hogey11 - 04-25-2011
(04-25-2011, 09:10 AM)unity100 Wrote:(04-25-2011, 08:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would like to point out, Unity, that Ra said STS lie to positively oriented channels. Ra explicitly states that when contacting a negatively oriented channel, they do not find it necessary to lie. The supposed channeler of this information is indeed STS.
Quote:12.15 If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.
that is not something particular to contacting entities in 3d planets through channeling or other means. there is not an exception there.
lying, withholding/distorting of truth, manipulation have been described as properties of negative path.
the first requirement for honesty comes in early 6th density, and this is one of the reasons why service to self entities end up turning back to positive at the start of 6th density - because indigo ray requires a measure of truth.
before that point, blue is missing from the negative model. blue as in communication, honesty.
Quote:Within the Helping_Hand session there are explanations for all of this. I'm not going to continue to point out all of these facts, because you could read the manuscript yourself and realize what you are saying could be explained within it.
I'd like to express a third time my neutral stance on the material. It is obvious to me, though, that many here choose to judge it vehemently, with almost religious fervor, without even reading through the entire manuscript. In my opinion, such strong preconceptions are dangerous.
First off, i'm totally on board with Austin here. All the 'problems that unity is bringing up are explained in the HH channel, and much of it completely resonates with the LOO material. Are there slight differences? Of course! It's a different channel, with a different experience within their framework. Just like no two humans are alike, I believe no two channels would be alike either.
I'm sorry unity, but you speak as tho you hold some sort of authority over us all, and it bugs me. Let's be frank: we are speaking about channeled sources here, and you are upholding these texts so strictly that it is claustrophobic. Q'uo has stated multiple times that Ra has wrongly predicted and estimated many things; do you contend that the Ra channel is 100% absolutely perfect? I do not. I think there are some inconsistencies, due to the medium in which the information was delivered in that channeling is no easy process. I think we should retain a small amount of humility when we discuss these matters; none of us KNOW.
As far as your points here, where is your proof? Where are Ra's rules for internet forums? What is your proof that HH is a complete lie, other than your personal understanding of the rules and restrictions of 6th density negative?
Here's a thought: what is HH is a 3D entity who was told all this information, and then, as a 3D entity, decided to CHOOSE to share this information, even though it was frowned upon? Yes, it will cause a polarity loss, but hey, we're in 3D, right?
I'm trying to say that 'just because you say so' is never going to be good enough for me, and I will question anything that does not resonate. I hate to say it, but your fact-checking absolute opinions do not resonate with me; much is changing in the world right now and my understanding of everything changes more and more each day. We must know we do not know.
I'm would like to apologize in advance if this seems a little too aggressive (the indigo in me), but i'm kinda fired up i guess... Love y'all, especially you, unity100. I mean this as a well-natured challenge, and I hope you don't take this negatively.