Quote:17.19 Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.

Category: People: Jesus

17.20 Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

Quote:I This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the waters that flowed there into pools, and made them straightway clean, and commanded them by his word alone. 2 And having made soft clay, he fashioned thereof twelve sparrows. And it was the Sabbath when he did these things (or made them). And there were also many other little children playing with him.

3 And a certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed straightway and told his father Joseph: Lo, thy child is at the brook, and he hath taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and hath polluted the Sabbath day. 4 And Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Wherefore doest thou these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping. 5 And when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do.

III. 1 But the son of Annas the scribe was standing there with Joseph; and he took a branch of a willow and dispersed the waters which Jesus had gathered together. 2 And when Jesus saw what was done, he was wroth and said unto him: O evil, ungodly, and foolish one, what hurt did the pools and the waters do thee? behold, now also thou shalt be withered like a tree, and shalt not bear leaves, neither root, nor fruit. 3 And straightway that lad withered up wholly, but Jesus departed and went unto Joseph's house. But the parents of him that was withered took him up, bewailing his youth, and brought him to Joseph, and accused him 'for that thou hast such a child which doeth such deeds.'

IV. 1 After that again he went through the village, and a child ran and dashed against his shoulder. And Jesus was provoked and said unto him: Thou shalt not finish thy course (lit. go all thy way). And immediately he fell down and died. But certain when they saw what was done said: Whence was this young child born, for that every word of his is an accomplished work? And the parents of him that was dead came unto Joseph, and blamed him, saying: Thou that hast such a child canst not dwell with us in the village: or do thou teach him to bless and not to curse: for he slayeth our children.

V. 1 And Joseph called the young child apart and admonished him, saying: Wherefore doest thou such things, that these suffer and hate us and persecute us? But Jesus said: I know that these thy words are not thine: nevertheless for thy sake I will hold my peace: but they shall bear their punishment. And straightway they that accused him were smitten with blindness. 2 And they that saw it were sore afraid and perplexed, and said concerning him that every word which he spake whether it were good or bad, was a deed, and became a marvel. And when they (he ?) saw that Jesus had so done, Joseph arose and took hold upon his ear and wrung it sore. 3 And the young child was wroth and said unto him: It sufficeth thee (or them) to seek and not to find, and verily thou hast done unwisely: knowest thou not that I am thine? vex me not.

VI. 1 Now a certain teacher, Zacchaeus by name, stood there and he heard in part when Jesus said these things to his father and he marvelled greatly that being a young child he spake such matters. 2 And after a few days he came near unto Joseph and said unto him: Thou hast a wise child, and he hath understanding. Come, deliver him to me that he may learn letters. And I will teach him with the letters all knowledge and that he salute all the elders and honour them as grandfathers and fathers, and love them of his own years. 3 And he told him all the letters from Alpha even to Omega clearly, with much questioning. But Jesus looked upon Zacchaeus the teacher and saith unto him: Thou that knowest not the Alpha according to its nature, how canst thou teach others the Beta? thou hypocrite, first, if thou knowest it, teach the Alpha, and then will we believe thee concerning the Beta. Then began he to confound the mouth of the teacher concerning the first letter, and he could not prevail to answer him. 4 And in the hearing of many the young child saith to Zacchaeus: Hear, O teacher, the ordinance of the first letter and pay heed to this, how that it hath [what follows is really unintelligible in this and in all the parallel texts: a literal version would run something like this: how that it hath lines, and a middle mark, which thou seest, common to both, going apart; coming together, raised up on high, dancing (a corrupt word), of three signs, like in kind (a corrupt word), balanced, equal in measure]: thou hast the rules of the Alpha.

VII. 1 Now when Zacchaeus the teacher heard such and so many allegories of the first letter spoken by the young child, he was perplexed at his answer and his instruction being so great, and said to them that were there: Woe is me, wretch that I am, I am confounded: I have brought shame to myself by drawing to me this young child. 2 Take him away, therefore I beseech thee, my brother Joseph: I cannot endure the severity of his look, I cannot once make clear my (or his) word. This young child is not earthly born: this is one that can tame even fire: be like this is one begotten before the making of the world. What belly bare this, what womb nurtured it? I know not. Woe is me, O my friend, he putteth me from my sense, I cannot follow his understanding. I have deceived myself, thrice wretched man that I am: I strove to get me a disciple and I am found to have a master. 3 I think, O my friends, upon my shame, for that being old I have been overcome by a young child;- and I am even ready to faint and to die because of the boy, for I am not able at this present hour to look him in the face. And when all men say that I have been overcome by a little child, what have I to say? and what can I tell concerning the lines of the first letter whereof he spake to me? I am ignorant, O my friends, for neither beginning nor end of it (or him) do I know. 4 Wherefore I beseech thee, my brother Joseph, take him away unto thine house: for he is somewhat great, whether god or angel or what I should call him, I know not.

VIII. 1 And as the Jews were counselling Zacchaeus, the young child laughed greatly and said: Now let those bear fruit that were barren (Gr. that are thine) and let them see that were blind in heart. I am come from above that I may curse them, and call them to the things that are above, even as he commanded which hath sent me for your sakes. 2 And when the young child ceased speaking, immediately all they were made whole which had come under his curse. And no man after that durst provoke him, lest he should curse him, and he should be maimed.

IX. 1 Now after certain days Jesus was playing in the upper story of a certain house, and one of the young children that played with him fell down from the house and died. And the other children when they saw it fled, and Jesus remained alone. 2 And the parents of him that was dead came and accused him that he had cast him down. (And Jesus said: I did not cast him down) but they reviled him still. 3 Then Jesus leaped down from the roof and stood by the body of the child and cried with a loud voice and said: Zeno (for so was his name called), arise and tell me, did I cast thee down? And straightway he arose and said: Nay, Lord, thou didst not cast me down, but didst raise me up. And when they saw it they were amazed: and the parents of the child glorified God for the sign which had come to pass, and worshipped Jesus.

(04-20-2011, 06:00 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm still unsure WHY he was here and able to remember...

(04-20-2011, 09:01 AM)Confused Wrote: How do we undergo such powerful meditations, then? I don't know.

(04-20-2011, 09:17 AM)Ankh Wrote: Step by step, my brother. You will discover your true inner call sooner or later, as it is inevitable. The only question is when, as it is a matter of time. If you want to dance further and enjoy flowers along the road, you are welcome to do it. But it comes the time when you get tired, and long to go home, and when that time comes you'll put your whole desire and will to it, my brother. And then you will find that path.

(04-20-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am confident we do, Confused. We start there. Confident we have the same faculties. Believe it.

(04-20-2011, 06:00 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Interesting. And I've not read this gospel.

Ra's version sounds much more tame. Haha. Another short sentence to cover a novel of info.

I'm still unsure WHY he was here and able to remember...

Quote:Good question, 3. If Jesus was able to remember in meditation when the hour had come for his physical departure and his mission on earth prior to that, then probably we too carry the same faculties within. In fact, I am pretty sure we do, for all is ONE.

(04-20-2011, 12:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: are you speaking of his awakening when you say 'remember'?

Quote:This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age.

(04-20-2011, 08:33 PM)Confused Wrote:

Quote:This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age.

I wonder what the 'natural kind of remembering' is and the mechanism behind it.

(04-20-2011, 08:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: To me it begs the question of what an 'unnatural kind of remembering' is, also.

(04-20-2011, 08:58 PM)Confused Wrote:

(04-20-2011, 08:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: To me it begs the question of what an 'unnatural kind of remembering' is, also.

Very much so. I have wondered strongly on similar lines.

It could possibly tie back to Ra's words that intelligent infinity can be either touched by design or accident. May be the accident part is the unnatural kind of knowing. I don't know. Just speculating.

(04-20-2011, 09:11 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I am wondering what kind of 3rd-density environment Jesus was provided for integrating catalyst, and how much that was a factor in polarizing.

Quote:17.11 Questioner: What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth* density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth* density, representing the fifth-density* understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

* This should be fourth. Ra corrects the error in the next answer.

(04-20-2011, 09:21 PM)Confused Wrote: Jesus knew the rules of the game clearly and his role on the playing field. Thus, the entity would have received a strong boost to its determination and will, to play the game well in that incarnation, for it knew its destination, purpose and rewards. All my speculation or educated guesses.

(04-20-2011, 09:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I meant what kind of native 3rd-density life Jesus led, compared to the conditions we enjoy here.

Quote:There were two factions present to greet Jehoshuah, firstly, a small group of those which hoped for an earthly king. However, Jehoshuah rode upon an ass stating by its very demeanor that it was no earthly king and wished no fight with Roman or Sadducee.

The greater number were those which had been instructed by rabbi and elder to make jest of this entity, for those of the hierarchy feared this entity who seemed to be one of them, giving respect to their laws and then, in their eyes, betraying those time-honored laws and taking the people with it.

(04-20-2011, 11:22 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: It is said that Joseph and Mary belonged to the Essenes (or at least Mary's family), which was an organization that followed a very strict and pure way of living, and they were part of long-time scheme to prepare the way for a messiah. Thus, I would assume that the environment Jesus was in during his early life was one to foster STO thinking.

(04-20-2011, 11:42 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I meant native 3rd density planet.

(04-20-2011, 08:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ] To me it begs the question of what an 'unnatural kind of remembering' is, also.

Quote:It is said that Joseph and Mary belonged to the Essenes (or at least Mary's family), which was an organization that followed a very strict and pure way of living, and they were part of long-time scheme to prepare the way for a messiah. Thus, I would assume that the environment Jesus was in during his early life was one to foster STO thinking.

(04-20-2011, 09:21 PM)Confused Wrote: It appears that Jesus had a larger than life mission than most, for the entity received permission for its work on earth. And this was much before the recent wave of high level Wanderers on to our planet, starting from the industrial revolution period in Europe, the founding of USA, etc. And Jesus also knew 'when the hour had come' for its departure, from the description available from the LOO. The entity understood the larger plan of the cosmos, like many of we students of the LOO do, but Jesus also clearly understood its place in that particular scheme with respect to that particular incarnation as well, I think.

Quote:One day he was with his disciples in Judea, and he found them gathered together andseated in pious observance.
When he [approached] his disciples, [34] gathered together and seated and offering a prayer of thanksgiving over the bread, [he] laughed.
The disciples said to [him], “Master, why are you laughing at [our] prayer of thanksgiving? We have done what is right.”
He answered and said to them, “I am not laughing at you. <You> are not doing this because of your own will but because it is through this that your god [will be] praised.”
They said, “Master, you are […] the son of our god.”
Jesus said to them, “How do you know me? Truly [I] say to you, no generation of the people that are among you will know me.”

Quote:THE DISCIPLES BECOME ANGRY
When his disciples heard this, they started getting angry and infuriated and began blaspheming against him in their hearts.
When Jesus observed their lack of [understanding, he said] to them, “Why has this agitation led you to anger? Your god who is within you and […] [35] have provoked you to anger [within] your souls. [Let] any one of you who is [strong enough] among human beings bring out the perfect human and stand before my face.”
They all said, “We have the strength.”
But their spirits did not dare to stand before [him], except for Judas Iscariot.
He was able to stand before him, but he could not look him in the eyes, and he turned his face away.
Judas [said] to him, “I know who you are and where you have come from. You are from the immortal realm of Barbelo. And I am not worthy to utter the name of the one who has sent you.”

Quote:JESUS TEACHES JUDAS ABOUT COSMOLOGY: THE SPIRIT AND THE SELF-GENERATED
Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen.
For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen, [in which] there is [a] great invisible [Spirit],
which no eye of an angel has ever seen,
no thought of the heart has ever comprehended,
and it was never called by any name.
“And a luminous cloud appeared there. He said, ‘Let an angel come into being as my attendant.’
“A great angel, the enlightened divine Self-Generated, emerged from the cloud.
Because of him, four other angels came into being from another cloud, and they became attendants for the angelic Self-Generated.
The Self-Generated said, [48] ‘Let […] come into being […],’ and it came into being […].
And he [created] the first luminary to reign over him.
He said, ‘Let angels come into being to serve [him],’ and myriads without
number came into being.
He said, ‘[Let] an enlightened aeon come into being,’ and he came into being.
He created the second luminary [to] reign over him, together with
myriads of angels without number, to offer service.
That is how he created the rest of the enlightened aeons.
He made them reign over them, and he created for them myriads of angels without number, to assist them.

Quote:ADAMAS AND THE LUMINARIES
“Adamas was in the first luminous cloud that no angel has ever seen among all those called ‘God.’ He [49] […] that […] the image […] and after the likeness of [this] angel. He made the incorruptible [generation] of Seth appear […] the twelve […] the twentyfour […]. He made seventy-two luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in accordance with the will of the Spirit. The seventy-two luminaries themselves made three hundred sixty luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in accordance with the will of the Spirit, that their number should be five for each.
“The twelve aeons of the twelve luminaries constitute their father, with six heavens for each aeon, so that there are seventy-two heavens for the seventy-two luminaries, and for each [50] [of them five] firmaments, [for a total of] three hundred sixty [firmaments …]. They were given authority and a [great] host of angels [without number], for glory and adoration, [and after that also] virgin spirits, for glory and [adoration] of all the aeons and the heavens and their firmaments.

THE COSMOS, CHAOS, AND THE UNDERWORLD
“The multitude of those immortals is called the cosmos— that is, perdition—by the Father and the seventy-two luminaries who are with the Self-Generated and his seventytwo aeons. In him the first human appeared with his incorruptible powers. And the aeon that appeared with his generation, the aeon in whom are the cloud of knowledge and the
angel, is called [51] El. […] aeon […] after that […] said, ‘Let twelve angels come into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld].’ And look, from the cloud there appeared an [angel] whose face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood. His name was Nebro, which means ‘rebel’; others call him Yaldabaoth. Another angel, Saklas, also came from the cloud. So Nebro created six angels—as well as
Saklas—to be assistants, and these produced twelve angels in the heavens, with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.

Quote:JESUS SPEAKS OF THOSE WHO ARE BAPTIZED, AND JUDAS’S BETRAYAL
Judas said to Jesus, “Look, what will those who have been baptized in your name do?”
Jesus said, “Truly I say [to you], this baptism [56] […] my name [—about nine lines missing—] to me.
Truly [I] say to you, Judas, [those who] offer sacrifices to Saklas […] God [—three lines missing—] everything that is evil.
“But you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.

Already your horn has been raised,
your wrath has been kindled,
your star has shown brightly,
and your heart has […]. [57]

“Truly […] your last […] become [—about two and a half lines missing—], grieve [—about two lines missing—] the ruler, since he will be destroyed.
And then the image of the great generation of Adam will be exalted, for prior to heaven, earth, and the angels, that generation, which is from the eternal realms, exists.
Look, you have been told everything.
Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it.
The star that leads the way is your star.”
Judas lifted up his eyes and saw the luminous cloud, and he entered it. Those standing on the ground heard a voice coming from the cloud, saying, [58] […] great generation...

hogey Wrote:This is what partially pissed off the Pharisee's so much; they had seen Jesus as their next great hope on their own side as well. He had a gift in speaking and teaching to people, and they recognized that, but when he started speaking out against them

Quote:Leadbeater and Besant believed Krishnamurti to be the likely vehicle for a messianic entity, the so-called World Teacher. As a young man, he disavowed this idea and dissolved the worldwide organization (the Order of the Star) established to support it. Krishnamurti denounced the concept of saviors, spiritual leaders, or any other intermediaries to reality.

Confused Wrote:How do we undergo such powerful meditations, then? I don't know.

Law of One, Book 5 Wrote:Carla: For those who want to read about meditation, I recommend Joel Goldsmith’s little book, The Art Of Meditation.

(04-22-2011, 03:24 AM)Spectrum Wrote:

Law of One, Book 5 Wrote:Carla: For those who want to read about meditation, I recommend Joel Goldsmith’s little book, The Art Of Meditation.

Quote:JESUS TEACHES JUDAS ABOUT COSMOLOGY: THE SPIRIT AND THE SELF-GENERATED

Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen, [in which] there is [a] great invisible [Spirit], which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.

Quote:“And a luminous cloud appeared there. He said, ‘Let an angel come into being as my attendant.’
“A great angel, the enlightened divine Self-Generated, emerged from the cloud. Because of him, four other angels came into being from another cloud, and they became attendants for the angelic Self-Generated.

Quote:The Self-Generated said, [48] ‘Let […] come into being […],’ and it came into being […]. And he [created] the first luminary to reign over him. He said, ‘Let angels come into being to serve [him],’ and myriads withoutnumber came into being.

Quote:He said, ‘[Let] an enlightened aeon come into being,’ and he came into being. He created the second luminary [to] reign over him, together with myriads of angels without number, to offer service. That is how he created the rest of the enlightened aeons. He made them reign over them, and he created for them myriads of angels without number, to assist them.

Confused Wrote:Thank you very much for the recommendations, Spectrum. Much appreciated.

Confused Wrote:Do you meditate every day?

hogey Wrote:And here it is: Jesus asks for Judas to do the dirty deed.

(04-23-2011, 03:51 AM)Spectrum Wrote:

hogey Wrote:And here it is: Jesus asks for Judas to do the dirty deed.

'Asks' or 'foretells'?

One thing that doesn't make sense to me in the Gospels, was the kiss of Judas. Was it at that point in time still necessary for Judas to have to 'identify' Jesus to the soldiers? Is it possible that Jesus was still unknown to so many, soldiers in this case, that he had to be identified?

Interesting how we talk about this during Easter.

hogey Wrote:It would explain the lack of fight Jesus had in being sent to the cross.

hogey Wrote:Pilate gave him more than enough chances to get out of it, but Jesus held his ground. The kiss may have been a personal thing; a goodbye possibly?

hogey Wrote:I guess the mix up comes with Ra's explanation of what happened, saying that Judas thought that Jesus, if backed into a corner, would wield his power and 'make a difference'. This is possible in either circumstances.

Book I, Session 17, February 3, 1981 Wrote:Questioner: When Jesus of Nazareth incarnated was there an attempt by
the Orion group to discredit him in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to
cause his downfall?

Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was
that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This
information had been given by the one whom your peoples called
“Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and
promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types
of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these
thought-forms.

This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It
eventually led to one, sound vibration complex “Judas,” as you call this
entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing
about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in
the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over
others.

This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus
would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent
infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this
estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not
oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the
bodily complex of the one known as Jesus.

hogey Wrote:Even if Jesus expressly asked Judas to betray him, we can see that even when Jesus tells "the truth", it can be very cryptic. I don't think Judas knew exactly what was going on, but he trusted Jesus and did what he asked of him. He just couldn't take the aftermath once he realized that Jesus intended to die; his personal vision was being shattered before his eyes, so he committed suicide.

Ra Wrote:These two types
of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these
thought-forms.

hogey Wrote:The best argument I could make for 'foretell' is that this conversation may have scared Judas. Here is Jesus - he is mocking the Jewish faith, he is taking responsibility for false teachers, and then he says that Judas' generation isn't even the benefactor of his work; its all for some future people. This may have pushed Judas to try to push Jesus by putting him in a tight spot. Additionally, depending on how truly wise Jesus was, he may have also told these stories on purpose, to push Judas towards the intended circumstance.