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Do negtive entities get karma - kanonathena - 03-05-2011
Hi, I wonder since entities Hitler did so much wrong, if karma applies wouldn't it serverly hinder his polorization on the negtive path, e.g. some life-long disablity. But LOO says most negtive entity choose to incarnate a wealthy life, so they won't have to endure karma from their previous life.
Or does karma work like cancer, if gain polarity through STS action then karma won't be involved.
That karma is just a catalyst for you to choose polarity? Then what is Karma?
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ocean - 03-05-2011
how would being rich keep them from getting karma? i see karma as something that can get you no matter where you incarnate.
also, i think DW said that - i paraphrase - there isn't any point in drowning someone in karma, like Hitler, cuz it wouldn't do any good for their growth. i think he got the amount that served him. that's just how i see it, at the moment.
i also think DW said karma can be nulled if you learn the lesson before you get the karma. so karma is simply a lesson catalyst, i think.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ankh - 03-05-2011
I think karma is what you make it to. If you believe that you did something wrong and can't forgive yourself then it is your karma. STS entities don't see the world in the same colours as STO do, therefore have perhaps less to forgive the self for?
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Whitefeather - 03-05-2011
Here are a few excerpts from Ra. Apparently, the key here seems to be 'forgiveness'. Why would it be different from positive or negative polarity? In both cases, the catalyst is for learning the lessons of compassion, love and hope!
"18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but also the forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.
34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalysts that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?
Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.
Much Love, Light and ... Forgiveness to all
Whitefeather
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - BlatzAdict - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 12:34 AM)Ocean Wrote: i also think DW said karma can be nulled if you learn the lesson before you get the karma. so karma is simply a lesson catalyst, i think.
very good.. very good..
i think what helps is to take these old words and put them into words we can understand...
karma is action.
when we say the wheel of karma it is the wheel of action.. or the wheel as in the tarot.
there is good and bad karma.. good and bad action.
we repeat actions... when we feel we have not forgiven ourselves or others for whatever it is, so we tend to pay attention for those "actions" or pet peeves.. until we learn to forgive accept, and release.
(03-05-2011, 04:54 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.[/i]
Much Love, Light and ... Forgiveness to all
Whitefeather
funny whitefeather i read this after I wrote my post... and i ended up saying the same exact thing. har har har.
yea... ra only talked like that because don is a super scientist engineer.. i'm sure if Ra were talking with someone else they would sound a lot more down to earth.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ens Entium - 03-05-2011
Yes they accrue karma
Mainly in the form of subsequent limitations of their abilities; in a targeted fashion according what was done and how. Sooner or later.
Ra says that abridgement of free will lessens polarity (you can note the negative greeting Carla experienced). They aslo say that polarity increases the ability to use the will and to do work.
This backlash is lessened to the degree that the receiver of the negative action accepts the treatment by their free will. This is why negative entities attempt to manipulate the reciever to accept that treatment. They tempt. It's also lessened to the degree that both parties understand and transcend the act. Finally, forgiveness releases the entity from direct backlash (as in return of acts and circumstances), but i suppose the soul-self of the negative entity limits the abilities of the incarnational self in current and the subsequent incarnation. Release from this requires realizing the effects, taking responsibilty, understanding of self and act and then self-forgiveness.
The reason for this iself-limitation is that the soul-self seeks to prevent further spoiling of the innate goodness of the soul-self.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - unity100 - 03-05-2011
everything needs to be balanced towards infinity. whatever was done, will need to be balanced.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - kanonathena - 03-05-2011
"Ra says that abridgement of free will lessens polarity"
Thanks for bringing that up, I did not remember that (guess that is why eating human incur more karma than eating animal).
So a man that gains pleasure through killing will find it difficult to polarize? or is there more subtlety in this.
"I think karma is what you make it to. If you believe that you did something wrong and can't forgive yourself then it is your karma. STS entities don't see the world in the same colours as STO do, therefore have perhaps less to forgive the self for?"
That sounds right to me. So cancer is exactly the same as karma. I guess it is fair to say that if a negtive entity get bad karma, it's actually a sign of inefficient use of catalyst in polarizing towards negative.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ens Entium - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 06:08 AM)unity100 Wrote: everything needs to be balanced towards infinity. whatever was done, will need to be balanced.
Indeed. I think this is what a negative entity who graduates into 6d, having shed the negatve orientation, does. One thing i forgot to add in my above post was the limitation of the 5d negative entity to perceive value in others and to communicate and embrace others. From a 6d perspective you can see how this is limiting one's own abilities.
One can see how central balancing towards infinity/unity as 6d approaches and during 6d.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - unity100 - 03-05-2011
i meant balancing of acts done.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ens Entium - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 06:11 AM)kanonathena Wrote: "Ra says that abridgement of free will lessens polarity"
Thanks for bringing that up, I did not remember that (guess that is why eating human incur more karma than eating animal).
Lol.. yes, funny example you chose
(03-05-2011, 06:11 AM)kanonathena Wrote: So a man that gains pleasure through killing will find it difficult to polarize? or is there more subtlety in this.
There is more subtlety.
If, for example, the entity manipulates the entities sufficiently enough to believe they are part of some sacred sacrifice, and so he has their willingness, he will polarize rapidly. As was the case with the 2 5d wanderers that came to Ra. Random, purposeless killing just gives you the backlash. And yes, the entity needs to get pleasure from it to keep his energy body to make use of the first 3 chakras.
Abridgement of free will lessens polarity, not the ability to polarize. It puts obstacles in the way, and so the ability must be exercised more.
(03-05-2011, 06:11 AM)kanonathena Wrote: "I think karma is what you make it to. If you believe that you did something wrong and can't forgive yourself then it is your karma. STS entities don't see the world in the same colours as STO do, therefore have perhaps less to forgive the self for?"
That sounds right to me. So cancer is exactly the same as karma. I guess it is fair to say that if a negtive entity get bad karma, it's actually a sign of inefficient use of catalyst in polarizing towards negative.
Good point!
(03-05-2011, 06:34 AM)unity100 Wrote: i meant balancing of acts done.
Btw, how do you think could be done?
I'd like to know because i'd feel more able to make restitution and take more responsibility for bad things that i've done.. other than self-forgiveness and acceptance.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - unity100 - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 06:39 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: By the way, how do you think could be done?
I'd like to know because i'd feel more able to make restitution and take more responsibility for bad things that i've done.. other than self-forgiveness and acceptance.
if we look at what Ra says about multiple parallel universes that are simultaneous, and combination of all parts of an entity in 6d to 7d (also dropping us the gem that says the more balanced an entity the less need to experience parallel universes), we can say that something that is done here, would be balanced with things that are done in other universes, by the parallel existences of an entity.
that would mean, a more balanced entity, maybe a perfectly balanced entity, manifesting in a universe, would not do anything that would need balancing, all its acts will contain balance, and therefore there wouldnt be anything happening in other universes to balance it. also as a side concept, we could say that this kind of balanced entity would breeze through 6d (and maybe parts of 7d if any balancing is done there) due to already being balanced to good extent.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Ens Entium - 03-05-2011
I like what you've said, i havent considered things in the way you said. I have further questions.
Help me out here if i've misunderstood you..
(03-05-2011, 07:01 AM)unity100 Wrote: that would mean, a more balanced entity, maybe a perfectly balanced entity, manifesting in a universe, would not do anything that would need balancing, all its acts will contain balance, and therefore there wouldnt be anything happening in other universes to balance it. also as a side concept, we could say that this kind of balanced entity would breeze through 6d (and maybe parts of 7d if any balancing is done there) due to already being balanced to good extent.
I understand balancing to be the process of discovering the completeness within the self and then acepting and internalising that. As far as i understand it, it has nothing to do with how the entity is outwardly manifested, or any actions; because the entity
will still have it's predilections towards distortions of being patient, cheerful, open, courteous, etc.. or the opposite.
Given this, i think the (6d) entity would still need to perform some actions that make up for the previous actions caused. The way i'm seeing this is that the inner balance/completeness would express itslef in the 'manner of being' but that that 'character' would still be channeled into positively oriented activities. So, serving with grit, absolute determination and focus, etc.
You said, "would not do anything that would need balancing", doesnt this assume tha the entity is already balanced and that it's been acting in a 'balanced' (the way you used the word here, this implies mixed polarity, not expressing inner balance (since we are discussing positive/negative actions)) way already? Let me know if i'm mistaken there.
So i'm basically saying, how does balance/completeness within the self exempt an entity from making up for its negative/damaging actions?
(03-05-2011, 07:01 AM)unity100 Wrote: if we look at what Ra says about multiple parallel universes that are simultaneous, and combination of all parts of an entity in 6d to 7d (also dropping us the gem that says the more balanced an entity the less need to experience parallel universes), we can say that something that is done here, would be balanced with things that are done in other universes, by the parallel existences of an entity.
An entity, operating in the universe he actively inhabits is still part of the overall scheme of things.. Meaning that there is a goal to this universe that all entities share, so his actions either detract from or support that. What does 'balancing in another universe' mean for his responsibility for his actions in this one..?
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - unity100 - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 07:49 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: I understand balancing to be the process of discovering the completeness within the self and then accepting and internalizing that. As far as i understand it, it has nothing to do with how the entity is outwardly manifested, or any actions; because the entity
will still have it's predilections towards distortions of being patient, cheerful, open, courteous, etc.. or the opposite.
the existence is not that 'internal'. had it been that internal, there would be no need for there to be more than one entity. (finite). everything doesnt depend on self. there are others too. to illustrate, 4d and 6d harvests are strictly society complex nature. doesnt matter how much you balance, how much you internalize in 6d. you will still need all the others in your complex to be ready.
Quote:Given this, i think the (6d) entity would still need to perform some actions that make up for the previous actions caused.
if we look at what Ra says, this wont seem to be necessary, since multiple simultaneous existences will balance the overall
however, i think that, even what the individual nodes of an entity did, will have to get balanced eventually, in other octaves, if not in this octave.
because, even if you take the mind/body/spirit complex in late 6d as a single entity, the fragments that make up that entity, are still finite entities in themselves. philosophically there is no difference in between a finite, or the other finite. all of them are finites. so, each effect/action initiated by a finite, will eventually need to be balanced.
Quote:The way i'm seeing this is that the inner balance/completeness would express itslef in the 'manner of being' but that that 'character' would still be channeled into positively oriented activities. So, serving with grit, absolute determination and focus, etc.
you are still donning positive polarity over unpolarizedness or balancedness.
balance is balance.
Quote:You said, "would not do anything that would need balancing", doesnt this assume tha the entity is already balanced and that it's been acting in a 'balanced' (the way you used the word here, this implies mixed polarity, not expressing inner balance (since we are discussing positive/negative actions)) way already? Let me know if i'm mistaken there.
such an entity would either be quite isolated from the existence that goes around it, or, engaging in interactions with entities complementing its own balance. in these actions, nothing would be lost or gained, and interaction would be complete in its own self as much as it could be. in either of these cases, the interactions of this entity would be minimal. isolated in first case, and in the second, only interacting with entities complementing its particular balance, which would be few since entities balanced to great extent are few.
ultimate balance is infinity. even infinite intelligence, is a distortion. when it balances, it becomes infinite. and that becomes totally irrelevant for anything that exists.
Quote:So i'm basically saying, how does balance/completeness within the self exempt an entity from making up for its negative/damaging actions?
'completeness within the self' -> no such over-exaggerated thing exists. the self cannot exist without others. these are not two totally isolated, separate concepts. any imbalance that exists, will show itself in the inner world of the entity, and also manifest outside of the entity.
think about infinity -> you cant do anything to it. you cant do anything with it. you cant even reach it. because, being entirely balanced, without distortions, it eludes all kinds of interactions. even infinite intelligence is experiencing infinite octaves since infinity, and yet, it is infinite intelligence.
if you were really 'complete within your self', the existence outside you would also be totally complete, and there would be infinity.
(03-05-2011, 07:49 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: An entity, operating in the universe he actively inhabits is still part of the overall scheme of things.. Meaning that there is a goal to this universe that all entities share, so his actions either detract from or support that. What does 'balancing in another universe' mean for his responsibility for his actions in this one..?
multiple infinite universes existing along with this universe, infinite multiple universes in multiple octaves before and after this one, and any other situations and existences throughout infinity that we dont know about, are also part of the overall scheme of things. there is a grouping.
all that matters is, where you draw the line of balance.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Confused - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 06:39 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: I'd like to know because i'd feel more able to make restitution and take more responsibility for bad things that i've done.. other than self-forgiveness and acceptance.
You are a beautiful soul. May the power of the ONE always guide you.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - zenmaster - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 06:19 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Indeed. I think this is what a negative entity who graduates into 6d, having shed the negatve orientation, does. One thing i forgot to add in my above post was the limitation of the 5d negative entity to perceive value in others and to communicate and embrace others. From a 6d perspective you can see how this is limiting one's own abilities.
One can see how central balancing towards infinity/unity as 6d approaches and during 6d.
Quote:36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?One could imagine this info to be harmful because this may actually be a common situation, with many of these types of wanderers in 3D both past and present, due to the balancing opportunities.
Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Whitefeather - 03-21-2011
(03-05-2011, 12:24 AM)kanonathena Wrote: Hi, I wonder since entities Hitler did so much wrong, if karma applies wouldn't it serverly hinder his polorization on the negtive path, e.g. some life-long disablity. But LOO says most negtive entity choose to incarnate a wealthy life, so they won't have to endure karma from their previous life.
Would you be so kind as to find Ra's quote so that we could have the wording and the context where Ra said that.
Quote:Or does karma work like cancer, if gain polarity through STS action then karma won't be involved.
That karma is just a catalyst for you to choose polarity? Then what is Karma?
Good question! I posted a few words above but I 'll elaborate some more.
There are three catalysts for a body/mind/spirit complex such as we human beings are:
1/ 'Compassion' is the catalyst for the body.
2/ 'Love' is the catalyst for the mind or soul.
3/ 'Hope' is the catalyst for the spirit.
If I remember correctly, Ra mentioned the word 'karma' especially when associated with the catalyst of the mind/soul, which is 'love'.
It is helpful to understand that we co-create and co-project events in our life, events which will help us experimenting those three catalysts 'compassion', 'love' and 'hope' and this, not only toward others but also towards the self.
In the mode of 'love', 'forgiveness' works pretty much as a healing balm... hence the reference Ra gives as a healing tool and emotion.
Why those three feelings/emotions/inner experiences?
Because, they have the ability when together, to change/correct/heal our DNA on a personal and societal level. And as this healing of the DNA takes place, a certain light, awareness and information is brought forward within us from these three integrating experiences.
I hope this helps regarding your question.
Love, compassion and hope to everyone
Whitefeather
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Plenum - 03-18-2012
let us just say that regret is a powerful force.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Steppingfeet - 03-20-2012
A certain "G" had this same question a few years back and submitted the question to Q'uo:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2008/2008_1011.aspx
Quote:G: Ra says of karma that an entity that acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved. They also say that the stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. This raises an interesting question considering that in order to polarize, the negative entity is consciously attempting to exclude the energies of the heart chakra from all of its interactions with other selves.
What then is karma to the negative entity? And if the negative entity accumulates such a thing as karma, how does the negative entity alleviate karma?
We are those of Q’uo, my brother. To answer that query we must put you into the negative mindset. To the negative mindset, karma is delicious. The building up of it is delicious. There is joy in creating more karma because this is the by-product of control over others and manipulation of others. Consequently, there is no attempt to alleviate karma in the service-to-self path, but only to hone the edge of rage and anger until it is ever more penetrating and ever more effective.
May we answer you further, my brother?
G: So then, karma operates universally on third-density entities but there are two different attitudes with respect to karma?
We are those of Q’uo. That is precisely correct, my brother.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Bang Kaew - 03-20-2012
my understanding of karma was that it is akin to guilt and that is also how the law of attraction works for karma. Feel guilty then you consciously or unconsciously choose to repay karma. The negative entity does not feel guilty and continues to polarise.
For the positive entity he may not be able to forgive himself and therefore needs to go through something in order to forgive himself and in order to fully understand how it feels to go through that.
For example, a man cheats on his wife. Wife is upset but the man does not, until time/space, fully understand the consequences of his actions. In time/space he is able to see the consequences fully. He then chooses to live a life of either, a. A similar life in the hope that he will not cheat, or, b. a life as a wife who is cheated upon. Option b is repaying karma. repaying of karma has 2 desired results. 1, that he fully understands how it feels to be cheated on and therefore he will be able to forgive himself more easily - as he feels he has paid his dues. And 2. as he knows how it feels to be cheated on, he will hopefully be more compassionate as a man in future.
What I don't know - not that I am saying the above is necessarily accurate, is, when say a 5d- entity switches to 5d+, does he have to do any penance? Or if he understands and forgives his actions is that enough? I have a feeling its the latter.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - spero - 03-20-2012
Karma doesn't operate strictly in the fashion of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Even in Buddhism the exact workings of karma are considered unknowable owing to the complex tapestry of karma accrued from transmigration for countless eons of cosmic expansion and contraction before the creation of our current universe. If I were to use a standard of measure for how karma operates in our current 3d paradigm I might suggest a passage from the new testament:
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
Using such a definition of karma you can begin to see the inherent challenge of operating in a negative mindset. You can never yourself entertain or indulge those attributes which you judge unworthy in others. Each judgment is separation, or a chance for the negative entity to express that which it's not. This then requires a high order of control and repression of the self to remove those traits deemed worthy of judgment. The price of failure to control is loss of polarization or spiritual power and basically constitutes a karmic backlash. The consequences of this can be quite severe If you imagine the kind of crowd a negative entity would be surrounded by.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - oguz - 03-20-2012
they get tremendous karma but since they are on negative orientation, this what you call karma is reflected as progression on their path.
i also can say imo karma is for entities who are on positive orientation but failing to walk with Love/light or Law of One
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Aureus - 03-20-2012
Just had an idea, I'll just write it down..
We have been told we are multidimensional beings.. At night we travel in our Astral/Lightbodies to various places and/or dimensions. Could it be that when our conscious mind sleeps, the unconscious self or Higher Self arranges visits at these places for learning/catalyst, agreed previous to the incarnation.
The Higher Self being something ever-changing, depending on the choices you make (is the higher self mid-sixth or?) so depending on the Karma you chose to clear, or the purpose of this incarnation you will be taken to these places for learning.
Ra said that forgiveness is the eradicator of Karma, thus practicing forgiveness would free you of your incarnational bonds, biases and distortions.
Of course, forgiveness requires intentionality or 'aboutness'. When you realize that you have not done anything wrong, that all things are One and that All is Well you have removed an incredible amount of obstacles on the road to Choice. Instead of dwelling in past pains, you can lay off your guilt and be truly free.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Unbound - 04-21-2012
We seek within.
RE: Do negtive entities get karma - Patrick - 04-21-2012
(04-21-2012, 02:52 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Someone said this in relation to Karma today, I think they may have been kidding, but it kind of struck me as an interesting question about nature.
"i only believe it in terms of good things will happen to me because im a good person. and if youre a bad person like lucifer, everyones gonna hate you because you deserve it."
I'm not even sure what to do with this saying! Aha
Either kidding or it's simply a young soul's perspective.