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Exceptions to the Rule - solitary - 02-20-2011
Many people, regardless of gene pool or environment, experience a reaction when they see a human or animal that is an exception to the rule of normal, so-called, birth and/or development. I'm talking about all kinds of anomalies, be they two-headed calves, human conjoined twins, thalidomide babies, savants, geniuses, murderers, schizophrenics, autistics, Down's syndrome people, pedophiles, the criminally insane, etc. Any deviation from the norm on any level, of whatever degree. The reactions can be anything from absolute revulsion to uncompromised love, and everything in between.
The spectrum of humanity in particular is huge, and that is my main interest in posting this thread. When one looks at a map or globe of this planet and ponders just what all is going on, and imagines the constant stream of births and deaths and the qualities of life between, it boggles the mind. As Father Guido Sarducci (Don Novello) said once on SNL, it's a-comin and a-goin planet. The behaviors and abilities of all the diverse individuals living here at any given time is beyond the understanding, even beyond the imagination of most of us. Usually we relate to people similar to us in tribal and philosophical matters with caring and empathy and commiseration. But what of the *others* with the lowest common denominator of being human, regardless of which star or planet or lump of who knows what, from which they originated?
I would really like to learn from some of you on this message board who have had real life experience with this issue. Speculation can go anywhere, but I'm interested in what followers of the Ra materials have actually learned and what, if any, changes have occurred in the ways they react, interact, feel and think about *different* individuals and their place in the scheme of things. It doesn't matter how you think you would probably deal with any given situation, it's about the been there, done that aspect.
This probably won't go anywhere, but at least it will be out there.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-20-2011
(02-20-2011, 10:53 AM)solitary Wrote: Many people, regardless of gene pool or environment, experience a reaction when they see a human or animal that is an exception to the rule of normal, so-called, birth and/or development. I'm talking about all kinds of anomalies, be they two-headed calves, human conjoined twins, thalidomide babies, savants, geniuses, murderers, schizophrenics, autistics, Down's syndrome people, pedophiles, the criminally insane, etc. Any deviation from the norm on any level, of whatever degree. The reactions can be anything from absolute revulsion to uncompromised love, and everything in between.
The spectrum of humanity in particular is huge, and that is my main interest in posting this thread. When one looks at a map or globe of this planet and ponders just what all is going on, and imagines the constant stream of births and deaths and the qualities of life between, it boggles the mind. As Father Guido Sarducci (Don Novello) said once on SNL, it's a-comin and a-goin planet. The behaviors and abilities of all the diverse individuals living here at any given time is beyond the understanding, even beyond the imagination of most of us. Usually we relate to people similar to us in tribal and philosophical matters with caring and empathy and commiseration. But what of the *others* with the lowest common denominator of being human, regardless of which star or planet or lump of who knows what, from which they originated?
I would really like to learn from some of you on this message board who have had real life experience with this issue. Speculation can go anywhere, but I'm interested in what followers of the Ra materials have actually learned and what, if any, changes have occurred in the ways they react, interact, feel and think about *different* individuals and their place in the scheme of things. It doesn't matter how you think you would probably deal with any given situation, it's about the been there, done that aspect.
This probably won't go anywhere, but at least it will be out there.
I feel terrible anger at the creator for allowing much pain on many individuals on this planet, most of whom fall under the lowest common denominator (in the parlance that was used). I wonder what is the sustained learning behind all this for the creator, for have not all the pains that individuals experience now been repeated ad nauseam by countless individuals gone before? It looks like some of the higher powers care more for the letter of the law rather than the spirit. The evolutionary cycle is what counts, I think, rather than individual pain and abridgment of freewill.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Brittany - 02-20-2011
I used to see myself as superior to most people. I couldn't stand how people just didn't seem to care, how they herded around like cattle, blindly being led around by propaganda and the beliefs of others. I found 90% of the people I knew positively repulsive.
Obviously, the Ra Material changed my views quite a bit. I was hunting in that vein before I ever found the books, seeing how hating everyone wasn't making me very happy, but learning to work with the heart chakra kind of springboarded me, almost instantly, into a new type of love. I used to think love was something you felt for family and friends. Now I feel love for every molecule of stuff out there. I have the deepest of love for my companions, the pedophile sitting in prison, the bird outside the window and the couch under my butt. Once that chakra springs open it isn't just a mild warm and fuzzy feeling...you FEEL it. It hits hard, and once you've been there, the concept of love can never be the same.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Etude in B Minor - 02-20-2011
Sometimes people are born different to make it easier to teach lessons to others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc4HGQHgeFE
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Derek - 02-21-2011
(02-20-2011, 11:33 AM)Confused Wrote: I feel terrible anger at the creator for allowing much pain on many individuals on this planet, most of whom fall under the lowest common denominator (in the parlance that was used). I wonder what is the sustained learning behind all this for the creator, for have not all the pains that individuals experience now been repeated ad nauseam by countless individuals gone before? It looks like some of the higher powers care more for the letter of the law rather than the spirit. The evolutionary cycle is what counts, I think, rather than individual pain and abridgment of freewill.
The individuals experiencing that CHOSE to experience that before they were born. Ususally either to learn alot really fast, or to burn off karma, or both. It's a great gift to them. It's all happening like it's supposed to.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 12:28 AM)Derek Wrote: The individuals experiencing that CHOSE to experience that before they were born. Ususally either to learn alot really fast, or to burn off karma, or both. It's a great gift to them. It's all happening like it's supposed to.
Thank you for the words of hope, Derek. It does bring peace to think this way.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Ankh - 02-21-2011
I tell you a little story. I was sitting on a subway once when two men came inside. The first one had some kind of CP (central pares) damage. It means that they think and feel like everybody else, but they look different. They cannot coordinate their movements and need to sit in a wheelchair looking very odd. People might think that they are retarded but they are not. The other man was his helper and escort. When they came inside the escort sat down and took his mobile phone from a pocket and started to use it, while the man in the wheelchair was clearly abandoned and was sitting by himself and trying to look around (they have difficulties to move their head, arms, legs etc). Our eyes met and I was pierced by a feeling that I had to look down in deepest and humble respect. The feeling that I got, the notion, was that this man is in a very advanced state and he felt like Jesus or someone descended to this Earth. This man provided catalysts to all of us at the expence of his self, suffering and feeling pain, but he took on that voluntarily in order to teach (and learn, but mostly to teach). It is difficult for me to describe the notion that I got from his clear eyes. But I literally wanted to walk up to him and kneel before him in deepest respect and ask for his blessings. He made a sacrifice in order to help people. He agreed to that. And we don't even see it. That's was sad.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - solitary - 02-21-2011
Thank you all so much for your responses.
One of the reasons I'm interested in this subject is a pivotal thing that I experienced many years ago, in the late 1950s, back before Civil Rights, before the influx of wanderers, before a sensitivity of caring for those not like *us* had fully developed in the little Tennessee town where I was born and grew up.
A cousin and I were at the annual carnival, which was a major event to everyone in town. I was about 12, he was 13 or so. We were best friends back then. Neither of us liked the rides much, so we were just wandering around taking in the sights. There was a big sign with a barker advertising a sideshow featuring *Siamese twins*. We paid our dimes and went behind the curtain. There in a trailer with a glass wall were two little boys sitting on the floor and playing with some toys, always facing each other because they were joined at the front from sternum to groin. At one point, they started slapping each other.
My cousin said that he could not believe the parents had put their kids on display. So he was angry with the parents. I said I couldn't believe God would do something so awful to babies. I was mad at God. Then we were both ashamed of ourselves for paying the dimes and gawking.
My cousin went on to become a well-known biochemist, married another biochemist from then-Czechoslovakia, travels the world and has done some pretty awesome things in the world of medicine.
I went on to college, agonized over Civil Rights and Viet Nam with my peers, played on the fringes of the hippie movement, and with the passage of years and the deaths of most of my family and friends, became a hermit. I always worked, but never had a career as such. Enough is enough, was and still is my little mantra. Just pay the bills, eat something, etc. I'm retired now, living off a tiny bit of savings and Social Security, in full-blown contemplative mode with my rescue dogs.
A couple of months ago there was tv program about the world's oldest living conjoined twins. As I watched, I realized these guys were the same little boys my cousin and I had seen so long ago in a carnival sideshow. I haven't seen my cousin in decades, but I thought about him, and the very different paths we chose in life.
Here's a link to an article about the twins, and there are several others available on Google:
http://www.phreeque.com/galyon_brothers.html
We've come a long way, but the road still winds ahead of us.
Thank you all again. It's very heartening to me to see the changes in attitude from my generation to yours, and the technological innovations that have provided us with satellite television and the internet and availability of information and instant communication.
There are many other aspects to this topic of exceptions, which is one of my main areas of interest at this point in my life, and they can't all be explored here, but I really appreciate your willingness to share your thoughts and feelings.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 06:25 AM)Ankh Wrote: I tell you a little story. I was sitting on a subway once when two men came inside. The first one had some kind of CP (central pares) damage. It means that they think and feel like everybody else, but they look different. They cannot coordinate their movements and need to sit in a wheelchair looking very odd. People might think that they are retarded but they are not. The other man was his helper and escort. When they came inside the escort sat down and took his mobile phone from a pocket and started to use it, while the man in the wheelchair was clearly abandoned and was sitting by himself and trying to look around (they have difficulties to move their head, arms, legs etc). Our eyes met and I was pierced by a feeling that I had to look down in deepest and humble respect. The feeling that I got, the notion, was that this man is in a very advanced state and he felt like Jesus or someone descended to this Earth. This man provided catalysts to all of us at the expence of his self, suffering and feeling pain, but he took on that voluntarily in order to teach (and learn, but mostly to teach). It is difficult for me to describe the notion that I got from his clear eyes. But I literally wanted to walk up to him and kneel before him in deepest respect and ask for his blessings. He made a sacrifice in order to help people. He agreed to that. And we don't even see it. That's was sad.
Simply beautiful.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - solitary - 02-21-2011
I just wanted to add an observation. You younger ones are rather amazing to some of us that are neither young nor very amazing. When I was in my second and third decades, there was a really large problem with hypocrisy. Vote dry, drink wet type stuff. Lie about everything, don't ever admit to anything, keep that facade up. You guys are in-your-face honest to a point that is often very uncomfortable for your elders. That's ok, we're learning from you. You all are the WD40 for our parts that don't move so well and often squeak loudly in protest to your feisty behavior and words.
For instance, I love Lady Gaga. That kid has a message. It's not what my generation wants to hear, generally speaking, but I'm so glad she has the chutzpah to put it out there.
Listen to your elders, especially the ones who are indigenous to a particular place. The natives, the aborigines, whatever you want to call them. But trust your own instincts and intuitions. You all are special. You are the ones that can stop the suicidal and malignant tendencies of the power hungry. You are the ones that can shift the past and present into a whole new paradigm. Just don't write us off as useless or obsolete or unnecessary or senile. Those of us that can make the changes will be right there with you.
I have only met a few wanderers from my own generation, but then I was one of the early pioneer types and haven't traveled much. There sure weren't many around when I was growing up. So I'm glad I've lived to see this time, and hope to make it through to the next phase, or grade, or world. We can do this.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 11:54 AM)solitary Wrote: That's ok, we're learning from you.
That is a wonderful spirit to possess. I will learn that attitude from you
It would do me much good.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - kycahi - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 12:05 PM)Confused Wrote:(02-21-2011, 11:54 AM)solitary Wrote: That's ok, we're learning from you.
That is a wonderful spirit to possess. I will learn that attitude from you
YES! I think I'll call it the Gratitude Attitude. Corny, but if I keep it in mind I'll stay on track toward the One.
So thanks (of course
)!
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 12:55 PM)kycahi Wrote:(02-21-2011, 12:05 PM)Confused Wrote:(02-21-2011, 11:54 AM)solitary Wrote: That's ok, we're learning from you.
That is a wonderful spirit to possess. I will learn that attitude from you
YES! I think I'll call it the Gratitude Attitude. Corny, but if I keep it in mind I'll stay on track toward the One.
So thanks (of course
Great point, Lee. In many ways, gratitude is the sacrifice/merger into the fire of the ONE, I think. In many traditions, it may be called devotion.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - kycahi - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 06:25 AM)Ankh Wrote: I literally wanted to walk up to him and kneel before him in deepest respect and ask for his blessings. He made a sacrifice in order to help people. He agreed to that. And we don't even see it. That was sad.
You noticed it, Ankh, and told about it here. That's two STO deeds, IMO. He very likely caught your realization of his service, which heartened him. Now we're up to three at least!
(02-21-2011, 12:28 AM)Derek Wrote:(02-20-2011, 11:33 AM)Confused Wrote: I feel terrible anger at the creator for allowing much pain on many individuals on this planet...
The individuals experiencing it CHOSE to experience that before they were born. Usually either to learn a lot really fast, or to burn off karma, or both. It's a great gift to them. It's all happening like it's supposed to.
I agree and add the ones noticing it. They experience
- Humor (young & not knowing better)
- Sadness
- Compassion
- Anger
- Gratitude
- Respect
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Lavazza - 02-22-2011
They deserve nothing less than the world for their willingness to serve in such a fashion.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Ocean - 02-24-2011
(02-21-2011, 06:25 AM)Ankh Wrote: He made a sacrifice in order to help people. He agreed to that. And we don't even see it. That's was sad.
you saw it. and i'm sure he teaches all that are ready. and i'm sure he wouldn't want your bows. since i think the lessons point towards equality.
there are people who think furniture is sexy, i've had my mind broadened by so many freaks. i love diversity, i respect people's bravery to be different, they are true artists creating so much beauty. sometimes someone pushes my boundaries and i feel uncomfortable, but that's another learning experience. i've seen some weird people, but i just feel weirder. and i'm accepting myself slowly. the hardest thing is to accept oneself. i think it's a big lesson. i dunno if i teach anyone else but i try to teach myself, or it's just a big waste. and that would be sad. there's been incredible pain in my life, all due to my difference, and incredible indescribable joy and beauty, all due to my difference. so it's not possible to regret, i think, i just boggle myself, as does life.
someone said it's not your beeswax what someone else thinks of you. that's really hard to remember, when i wonder how many pity me, pity is the most painful to the ego in that regard i think. pity says you are not even worthy of great expectations. pity says i'll never be where you are you lowly cretin. pity makes me angry, but my lesson is in learning not to care what others think of me. if i can accept me and not be ashamed or embarassed by me, pigs can fly. i think i was too ambitious when i came here.:-/ but i take babysteps. it's hard to see the future from afar. i wouldn't have believed the progress i could make 10 years ago, i proved myself wrong.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Ankh - 02-25-2011
(02-24-2011, 08:49 PM)Ocean Wrote: pity makes me angry, but my lesson is in learning not to care what others think of me. if i can accept me and not be ashamed or embarassed by me, pigs can fly. i think i was too ambitious when i came here.:-/ but i take babysteps.
I don't know what your lessons are, my brother, or what your physical condition is, but the lessons I found essential in this life is humility. And I don't think that we were too ambitious coming here. IMHO, I think that we knew exactly what we were about to face, and that we also knew that we needed exactly that. Babysteps are the greatest teachers.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - BlatzAdict - 02-26-2011
i spent some time looking at these individuals with deformities after reading everything on this thread.
It makes me think of when Ra talks about how negative souls tend to incarnate in the more wealthy or powerful families, or in bodies that are more physically attractive.
These brave souls who chose such extremely deformed containers possibly, wanted the most amount of catalyst possible to polarize STO?
The opposite can be said about STS.
then again i've met seemingly good hearted attractive individuals and not so good hearted not so attractive individuals.. it's all good in the hood lol.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - zenmaster - 02-26-2011
We know that most people here aren't conscious enough to choose their own catalysts. For those that are, why wouldn't the body be part of the chosen design? For those that aren't, many things, both body and mind related, would seem to be chosen for them. My guess would be the automatic or unconscious design, just as the conscious design, would be for some form of experience that provide compensation for any overly distorted biases. The available automatic design choices would seem to be heavily waited towards what biases are provided by logos, sub-logos, racial-mind and parents.
As far as those that aren't yet choosing, I don't see how polarizing, with respect to service, would even be a part of the incarnation. After all, they would still be exploring the the lower sub-densities, and what it means to be 'human'. The higher-self may have made provisions for particular catalysts in case, by some miraculous chance, there was incredible progress in a lifetime. But the gradual development of experience is the common method that ultimately provides the will and desire.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Confused - 02-26-2011
(02-26-2011, 09:57 AM)zenmaster Wrote: We know that most people here aren't conscious enough to choose their own catalysts. For those that are, why wouldn't the body be part of the chosen design? For those that aren't, many things, both body and mind related, would seem to be chosen for them. My guess would be the automatic or unconscious design, just as the conscious design, would be for some form of experience that provide compensation for any overly distorted biases. The available automatic design choices would seem to be heavily waited towards what biases are provided by logos, sub-logos, racial-mind and parents.
As far as those that aren't yet choosing, I don't see how polarizing, with respect to service, would even be a part of the incarnation. After all, they would still be exploring the the lower sub-densities, and what it means to be 'human'. The higher-self may have made provisions for particular catalysts in case, by some miraculous chance, there was incredible progress in a lifetime. But the gradual development of experience is the common method that ultimately provides the will and desire.
Informative post, Zenmaster.
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Lavazza - 02-28-2011
(02-26-2011, 02:55 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: It makes me think of when Ra talks about how negative souls tend to incarnate in the more wealthy or powerful families, or in bodies that are more physically attractive.
Could be- then again I am reminded of people like Princess Diana who was both physically attractive and bent towards the STO path. I've also read things about Angelina Jolie's passion of charitable work. Although I'm not extremely well read on these people and their work, it seems they are / were both wealthy and beautiful. It should give us pause at making quick conclusions on appearances. Also- I'm sure there are really ugly nasties out there too. Gaddafi anyone?
L&L, ~E
RE: Exceptions to the Rule - Infinite Unity - 11-16-2018
(02-20-2011, 11:33 AM)Confused Wrote:(02-20-2011, 10:53 AM)solitary Wrote: Many people, regardless of gene pool or environment, experience a reaction when they see a human or animal that is an exception to the rule of normal, so-called, birth and/or development. I'm talking about all kinds of anomalies, be they two-headed calves, human conjoined twins, thalidomide babies, savants, geniuses, murderers, schizophrenics, autistics, Down's syndrome people, pedophiles, the criminally insane, etc. Any deviation from the norm on any level, of whatever degree. The reactions can be anything from absolute revulsion to uncompromised love, and everything in between.
The spectrum of humanity in particular is huge, and that is my main interest in posting this thread. When one looks at a map or globe of this planet and ponders just what all is going on, and imagines the constant stream of births and deaths and the qualities of life between, it boggles the mind. As Father Guido Sarducci (Don Novello) said once on SNL, it's a-comin and a-goin planet. The behaviors and abilities of all the diverse individuals living here at any given time is beyond the understanding, even beyond the imagination of most of us. Usually we relate to people similar to us in tribal and philosophical matters with caring and empathy and commiseration. But what of the *others* with the lowest common denominator of being human, regardless of which star or planet or lump of who knows what, from which they originated?
I would really like to learn from some of you on this message board who have had real life experience with this issue. Speculation can go anywhere, but I'm interested in what followers of the Ra materials have actually learned and what, if any, changes have occurred in the ways they react, interact, feel and think about *different* individuals and their place in the scheme of things. It doesn't matter how you think you would probably deal with any given situation, it's about the been there, done that aspect.
This probably won't go anywhere, but at least it will be out there.
I feel terrible anger at the creator for allowing much pain on many individuals on this planet, most of whom fall under the lowest common denominator (in the parlance that was used). I wonder what is the sustained learning behind all this for the creator, for have not all the pains that individuals experience now been repeated ad nauseam by countless individuals gone before? It looks like some of the higher powers care more for the letter of the law rather than the spirit. The evolutionary cycle is what counts, I think, rather than individual pain and abridgment of freewill.
The power of you co-creator is that pain, that terrible depression. That's not "yours", that's The Creators, The real yours. The power of this place, the power of creation. Is the ability to transmute these feelings, these essence of our beings. This is The Creators all of it. Nothing is owned.
The cycle after cycle of that same pain, is because its not been transmuted, it still is with in all of us. Who do you think the creator is? who are you? what are you? human?