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eating - a different thread - xlsander - 01-20-2011
hi guys,
I have a question regarding sharing your experiences.
I have been obese basically all my life that i was able to recall - since mid 2008 i worked on reducing this mostly by low carb eating meat and cheese but since my wake up in december 2008 I have been trying to find a more §friendly" way of low carb with salads etc
i sure did loose about a 60 pounds since then - but I would like to loose another 60 though to be "fully normal" - I keep getting below this first thirty pounds to then bounce back up
and i am seeking ideas.
Normaly I eat a green salad with tomatos and red onions, and salami and mozzarella and feta cheese - you get the picture
it appears my blood pressure has increased since 2008 - which is a riddle to me for I am overly much more in a state of well being and lost that weight too and move much more
I read that salt can be a big factor in blood pressure - and i do eat salt when i eat salami or feta cheese so i seek to replace these in my diet.
I am not sure i am able to move to a full vegetarian diet - but i certainly want to try - but i lack the ideas. I have these youtube videos monica posted of this "eating DVD" - I have not seen the DVD just some interviews of the guy - sounded pretty interesting but he cancels out meat and fish completely.
I do take ratfishoil on a daily basis some drops which is supposed to clean your venes and increase your decalcifying process of your third eye
and i have felt much increase in dream activity
I would like to hear suggestions from you of as little as possible meat and also as little as possible carbs but still kinda tasty and saturating
thanks
RE: eating - a different thread - Meerie - 01-20-2011
Sounds like you could be the kapha type, according to Ayurveda:
http://www.brainyweightloss.com/kapha-type.html
do you like spicy foods? This will boost your metabolism and help lose weight.
Do you drink enough water during the day? Not drinking enough could also cause high blood pressure.
you could try mistletoe tea too, it helps adjust blood pressure. My parents have successfully done it.
http://www.misteltee.de/
RE: eating - a different thread - Derek - 01-20-2011
Hey There,
I really think the best thing is to switch to a raw food diet for a little while. Ive been on this diet for awhile and I feel way better physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually then I ever thought was possible. It's very powerful. It also works absolute wonders for weight loss. I'd try to slowly add things in, add in more raw foods, and most importantly add in superfoods. I highly reccomend you research David Wolfe on youtube.
Btw, that ratfish oil is amazing. To really feel the full effects though you've got to get off tap water, conventional toothpaste, junk food, processed factory farmed meat, and try to get a cheap shower filter (less important). It still works regardless though.
Here are some links
http://www.sunfood.com/pages/weight-loss-and-detoxification (steer clear of products from sunfood which are promoted in this article. Although, I highly reccomend them from other sources. It was subtlely taken over through fine print and lies by the son of the former president of monsanto roy harbison and no longer has quality products. It used to be Daivd Wolfes company. This is a great and highly informative article though)
http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/before_after/
http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/pictures/beforeafters_main.html
RE: eating - a different thread - Lorna - 01-20-2011
hey xlsander
i'm slowly trying to shed the pounds too and i've found that my pattern of eating is a big factor. i am quite a bingey eater by nature, i have noticed my son is the same - eating large amounts and then eating very little. i came to the conclusion myself that following a normal eating pattern just didn't suit me and then i read up on alternate day dieting and the whole science behind it. the idea is to heavily restrict calories on alternate days and then to eat normally on the other days, so you're keeping your metabolism high and basically shocking your system every other day to start releasing fat stores. some of the info i've read suggests this pattern of eating can be very beneficial for controlling blood sugar and blood pressure, and it suggests that doing it over a longer term can also have anti inflammatory effects for people with chronic illnesses
it made a difference to me, i'm off it for the winter but will go back on it in the spring
RE: eating - a different thread - xlsander - 01-20-2011
thank you everyone for the suggestions
I do believe that carbs make fat and that if we can exchange it with protein
without increasing fat too - that would be the most healthy way to live - at least for my body in my experience
but what non meat food does provide that...
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: By the way, that ratfish oil is amazing.
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: To really feel the full effects though you've got to get off tap water,
check i only drin bottled water - however mostly from plastic bottles since its hardly available in other forms - mostly vittel water (anything bad known about it?)
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: conventional toothpaste, junk food,
check use non flouride toothpaste and maybe eat twice a year a burger
or pizza from the junk food stores etc
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: processed factory farmed meat,
now thats something i have to work on because as i said
i often eat pork salami - i should exchange with
chicken or so - but getting non factory meat is the key here
in a big city as berlin
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: and try to get a cheap shower filter (less important).
whats that?
(01-20-2011, 08:32 AM)Derek Wrote: It still works regardless though.
yes absolutely? which one are you referring to btw?
ratfishoil.com?
or the greenpasture skate fish stuff?
(01-20-2011, 08:38 AM)Lorna Wrote: hey xlsander
i'm slowly trying to shed the pounds too and i've found that my pattern of eating is a big factor. i am quite a bingey eater by nature, i have noticed my son is the same - eating large amounts and then eating very little. i came to the conclusion myself that following a normal eating pattern just didn't suit me and then i read up on alternate day dieting and the whole science behind it. the idea is to heavily restrict calories on alternate days and then to eat normally on the other days, so you're keeping your metabolism high and basically shocking your system every other day to start releasing fat stores. some of the info i've read suggests this pattern of eating can be very beneficial for controlling blood sugar and blood pressure, and it suggests that doing it over a longer term can also have anti inflammatory effects for people with chronic illnesses
it made a difference to me, i'm off it for the winter but will go back on it in the spring
any idea where to read more about this?
I heard of refeed days in a low carb diet where you shock your body with sudden carbs so your metabolism gets a wake up ring
would like to learn more about this metabolizm shock thing
RE: eating - a different thread - fairyfarmgirl - 01-20-2011
There are several factors in obsesity. Since the advent of genetic engineered foods and the chemical additives of MSG and Cornsyrup as well as plastic toxcity, restriction of calories and exercise is simply not enough.
Here is what is working for my family and I.
Changing Eating styles:
Restriction of all wheat and gluten products
Restriction of all GMO foods (as best as one can they are in everything)
Restriction of all Canola (rapeseed) oils [GMO's again]
Restriction of all lactose products
Restriction of all high arginine foods
Restriction of all sugars, artificial sweetners
Avoidance of all products packaged in clear plastic (plastic bottles, salad trays, take away trays)
Restriction of all salts.
Avoidance of all soy products[ almost all soy currently in food is a GMO and Soy is not digestable unless it is fermented such as naturally made and fermented tofu, tamari soy sauce and tempeh)
Avoidance of all MSG, Corn Syrups, Food Additives. Anything with any type of chemical or artificial additives.
Switch to small plates that are not made from a for food arranging. Avoid plastic utensils, bowls, plates, and cutting boards. Switch to small portions. A rule that we go by is what ever we think is a portion cut it in half and see if still hungry. Eat only when truly hungry.
Increase high alkaline foods eaten especially raw. Such as raw and fresh fruits and vegetables, leafy greens. Organic is best but not always possible.
Increase in using herbs and spices to flavor foods
lean proteins that are naturally derived and additive free.
Small amounts of hard cheeses
Braise foods in water. After cooking use raw fats such as raw butter, olive oil or ghee to flavor foods.
Gluten Free grains and breads and seeds
Use only coconut milk for cooking
Increase Vitamin B2-12 and Zinc and mineral sources. Such as Kobutcha tea and taking a quality whole foods derived vitamin
1000 Mg of high quality independently tested and deemed mercury and heavy metal free fish oil.
Drink more water from the tap or bought in a glass container. Avoid all plastics
Exercise at least 20 minutes a day to the point of heart rate increasing.
Diets do not work. What does work is changing the relationship that one has with food. This often involves changing life habits and adopting a new style of eating and relating to one's environment.
I bless you all with Love--
fairyfarmgirl
RE: eating - a different thread - Joseph326 - 01-20-2011
Looks like everyone covered this topic quite extensively, my only suggestions would be:
-do not microwave your food. Use stove or oven if at all possible, as the radiations alters and destroys the structure of nutrients.
-have you tried fasting? A 24 hour water fast or a juice fast (should be easier to go longer with that) may help cleanse toxins and maybe some fat reserves for you. Could help stimulate the metabolism as mentioned above if you eat more some days as well.
-get organic produce when possible. Its a sure way of knowing there is no GMO or pesticides in what you eat. Also has been proven to be more nutritious than conventional because the farming practices emphasize healthy soil.
RE: eating - a different thread - Monica - 01-20-2011
Xlsander, the subject of weight loss is highly controversial, with as many opinions as there are 'experts'! So many different diets out there, each one claiming to be the one that works!
I realize you are following the low-carb diet, but from what you have shared with us, that hasn't completely worked for you. The high blood pressure is a sure sign the diet isn't altogether healthy. So, I will now add my own opinion to the list.
I strongly disagree with the high-protein, low-carb diet. Yes, it can trigger weight loss initially, but it's not healthy long-term. The heavy animal protein and fats contribute to high blood pressure, cancer, heart diseases, and an acidic, mucoid condition that clogs up the colon and makes it nearly impossible to lose the rest of the weight permanently.
Being a vegetarian doesn't guarantee weight loss. There are fat vegetarians, usually those who eat a lot of dairy products.
But there are no fat vegans (unless maybe they live on junk food, I guess it's possible, but I've never met any).
However, there are NO fat raw vegans! Period. NONE.
It is impossible to be fat on a raw vegan diet.
Raw vegan is defined as unlimited raw fruits and vegetables, with moderate amounts of nuts, seeds, and sprouted grains and legumes. You can eat as much as you want, the weight will drop off, and you will feel fabulous! Oh and you probably won't ever catch colds and flus anymore.
I know these sound like bold promises but it's true. There is no question that the raw vegan diet works, for virtually everyone. In my opinion, the whole blood type thing is a myth. There isn't a question whether the raw vegan diet works or not. The question is only whether people are educated enough about it to do it properly, and stick with it. It's hard in the beginning, but once you feel so fantastic, it becomes easier!
I have done it before and am in the transition from vegan to raw vegan, and wow, the weight just drops off, energy increases, and I feel amazing! I don't have much weight to lose but there are plenty of people who have lost massive amounts of weight, very rapidly, following a raw vegan diet. Just do a search on youtube for 'raw vegan weight loss' and you will find lots.
The reason the raw vegan diet works is that the diet is no longer mucoid. Animal foods are very mucous-producing which clogs up the colon and when the colon is mucoid, it's nearly impossible to lose weight long-term. Another reason is that the raw vegan diet is very alkalizing. When the body is slightly alkaline, the body releases its stored acidic waste, which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells are no longer needed, so they drop away.
If this diet doesn't appeal to you, then you might consider drinking alkaline water. Many people see the weight drop off when they get a water ionizer machine. Not always, though. Diet still comes into play. And you cannot drink sodas at all if you want alkaline water to work, because they cancel each other out. Soda is the most acidic thing in the world and very deadly. Once I learned what sodas do, I put them in the same category as cigarettes. I would definitely recommend eliminating sodas 100%, whatever you do.
Getting the body alkaline causes weight to drop off. It's almost impossible for it not to. Raw vegan diet and/or alkaline water are 2 ways to accomplish this, and they work even better together. For many people one works without the other, but add them together, and it's pretty much a sure thing.
Another suggestion is a Cellerciser. It's an amazingly easy exercise method that works out all the cells. The Cellerciser works 1000 times better than the cheapie rebounders you can get at the store. I resisted buying one for 2 years because I already had a cheap one, and wow, I sure wish I had gotten the good one sooner! It's amazing! You can contact one of our members, feibelal, for info on this. He's the one who told me about it and I love mine! (You can ask feibelal about raw vegan diet and alkaline water also.)
I can provide lots of resources, if you decide to pursue this. For now, I suggest just doing a youtube search on raw vegan to see all the wonderful weight loss and vibrant health testimonials. They are very inspiring!
Good luck!
RE: eating - a different thread - Ankh - 01-20-2011
Hi brother,
My contribute would be of another aspect.
First of all, this matter is adressed in A Wanderer's Handbook by Carla, ie when she was overweight and how she managed it. The way she used to approach this matter is by working with desire, if I am not mistaken. This subject is also illuminated in LOO "Behind the veil", where you can read how people could control their bodies before the veil experiment. It will give you an idea of what I am talking about.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Before+the+Veil&sc=1&ss=1
I have also very fantastic experiencies with that, in my case regarding physical pain. But the food matter is also hidden in the mind. I read one book once called "Messages from Down Under". At the time I read it I thought that this book was true, and when I discovered that it wasn't, it was allready interpreted in my mind. I don't need to eat if I don't feel it is the "right time" to eat. I don't care what everybody else say about metabolism and how we need breakfast, lunch and this and that, ie constant intake of foodstuff in order to maintain good physical condition. Nobody knows my body better than me. And nobody knows your body better than you. Today, just to take as an example, I woke up at 06:30 and the first time that I felt that my body needed intake of foodstuff was 16:04. I've just finished my first meal of the day, and I feel great, and I've felt great all day. And you know what I ate? Hamburgers! Yea, from McDonald's. The chemical, industrial meat and what's not in those. But you know what - I don't care what everybody say about it. What I want to illuminate by that, is that free your spirit and take contact with your unconscious mind behind the veil. It is just behind the veil, they are still part of you, they are still you. You just need to get to know them, if it is your desire, and how to work with them in order for them to help you to live your life in a more pleasant, and easier, way. If it loss of weight you want, then it is a loss of weight you get. Etc etc. Good luck!
RE: eating - a different thread - Brittany - 01-20-2011
Some people need meat to stay healthy, but I'd axe the salami. It's one of the most fattening meats there is. If you want to eat meat, you're better off with turkey, chicken or lean beef. I'd avoid pre-packaged meats, as they have all kinds of additives in them, and even when it comes to fresh, in-store meats it's good to read the label and see if anything has been added to it.
My main advice is to not totally starve or deprive yourself, as this will almost ALWAYS lead you to binge. If you want a food really bad, have it, but just a small portion of it- about a third of what you would usually eat. Or try healthier alternatives- if you're craving something sweet, try fruit or pure dark chocolate over a snickers bar. Try to have a balanced diet- eating nothing but lettuce is going to make you sick. Plenty of whole grains, fruits, vegetables and lean meats and/or beans and other proteins is the way to go in my book. Also, eating several small meals a day instead of trying to cram it all into three meals really helps me. Eat whenever you get hungry (actually hungry, not just bored) and eat only until you're full. After eating one serving, if you want seconds, wait about 20 minutes for your stomach to catch up. A lot of times I'll realize I'm already full when I do this.
Just simple stuff, but it's what has worked for me in the past. Good luck!
RE: eating - a different thread - Meerie - 01-21-2011
http://lightworker.com/beacons/2010/2010_12-RealityShow.php
scroll down to "what to expect when releasing the template"
They talk about being overweight and that instead of increasing the energy field, some people have expanded their body.
I found this interesting.
RE: eating - a different thread - JoshC - 01-21-2011
I don't claim to know a lot about body types and how food affects different people - I can only share from experience. 4 years ago I weighed, at 5'10, 256 pounds. By changing my eating habits a little and exercising a lot (joining high school football), I dropped to 235 pounds. In August of 2009, 2 friends and I decided to each get on a very strict diet and exercise plan, because we could motivate each other and we all had the will power. I now weigh about 190 pounds (still 5'10), but most of it is muscle weight, since I like lifting weights. Though I would still be healthy if I were to lose another 10 pounds of fat, I'm very healthy and fairly slim.
One of the main things that I think you should do is to start exercising. Whatever you like and works best for you and your body is the most preferable form of exercise for you to do at this point. "Cardio" is the way to go for you - cardio consistently. Brisk walking and jogging are very easy to do since they require no equipment, though things like jumping rope and biking are also really cool
. If your body isn't as spry as it once was, try low-impact exercises: biking, swimming, etc.The low-carb thing works for a while (I secretly like using it to cut fat hehehe)... The problem with the low carb diets is that once you get off them, the weight comes back. Permanently losing weight comes along with permanent lifestyle changes. If you really need to lose weight, and I'm no doctor so take this with a grain of salt and a bit of research for yourself, the low-carb thing can temporarily cut fat, but a real, sustainable lifestyle change is needed.
As for food, cut out a lot of that salt. Cheese and salami are really tasty, but salt-wise they're not so good for ya
. What I'd suggest for you to permanently change to is something that fits your tastes, desires, body and its needs, spirituality, etc. Personally, I always eat at least 5 vegetables a day and 3 fruits per day as my basic necessities and voluntary requirements of myself. I'm not personally against eating meat, so that's an option for you too - I love meat .A basic diet I'd say for you to try out for cutting would be something medium to high in protein, low to medium in carbs, high in vegetables, medium in fruits, and low to medium in dairy (preferably low). Though this is of course something that would work for me, since these fit my taste preferences and body needs.
One way I sort of cheated the system, so to speak, was to eat large quantities of low-calorie foods as fillers. For example, I used to eat 1 - 1.5 cups of cottage cheese with nuts and blueberries mixed into it as a sort of meal, and it only provided me with 300-400ish calories, but definitely filled me up
.Things to remember: Drink more water. Eat more fruits and vegetables. Nuts are a good snack as the fat fills you for a while. Drink more water!! Leaner and whiter meats, such as fish, turkey, pheasant, and chicken are much better for you than red meats. Drink more water. Eat 4 to 6 reduced-from-what-you-normally-eat-per-meal (lol) meals per day. Cut out all high fructose corn syrup. Drink more water
PLUR
RE: eating - a different thread - daniel90 - 01-23-2011
Hey xlsander,
I was vegetarian for about a year and did not notest any difference in my weight ,however I did notests a huge change in counsciusness for the positive side. I am currently in the intent to go from vegan to raw vegan and reading a book called "timeless secrets of health and rejuvenation" by Andrea Moritz which I highly recommend you since from what I have read about Andrea he has the same perspective about oness as the LOO having similar if not exactly the same points of view about health ranging from the value of pain/desease and dualities to the effect of mind over emotion and so physical body.
To make a lot of information short the point is that I did a liver flush and in 2 days I was feeling years younger with out the exercise and eating normal and also lost a lot of ponds wich did not seem to vanish with exercise or healthy food! ...in other words I highly recommend you to do a research about liver flush! (links described in the bottom). From what i have learned many emotions materialize directly into the liver creating and obstrution that makes us don't burn fats,filter toxins and maintain the metabolic system normal adding to this Gmo's , stress and electromagnetic signals we end up with many chronic deceases
The Liver is in charge of about 500 functions and It is believed by many cultures to be the purifier of the bodies needed for this experience in 3d. Also a colon cleanse and some enemas could help a Ton! Since we have many waste of all kind in the colon and belly we can't absorb nutrients and we can't have the "normal" process in which we trow out the material not necessary for the body.
As for my experience with the liver cleanse,during the cleanse I felt anger and frustration being liberated and Images that caused me anger ,pain and frustration emerged, as I began to understand the value of the events and started to develop compassion and understanding towards the people and situations from which I had the problems that generated the stones and so many cronic deseases I have.
However as the many authors about this liver flush said in about 3-5 days period my liver became obstructed again with more stones that moved to be liberated from the back of my liver from where they accumulated over the years ,that is why it is important that for anybody doing the cleanse to do it at least 6 times to clean completely the liver... Anyways I agree with the information many of the brothers/sisters here have presented about veganism ,to avoiding GMOS chlorinated tap water ,to much electromagnetic influences etc.Also I recommend you to look which kind of body type you have according to the ayur-veda healing system and then try to discern what kind of food is in harmony with you, since a banana as healthy as described can be very healthy for someone and hard to digest or have side effects for some gibing an example of how each body needs specific food that tolerates better.
About vegetarians being fat, I have seen many,and vegans being fat no unless they are starting the diet..which can be a very tuff experience for the body because during the transition to become raw vegan a detoxification and breaking up and re-nourishing of each cell of the body can be uncomfortable for some because of the many toxins and waste that is being cleaned up manifests as diarrea ,headaches,or other expressions of years of intoxication , that is why I highly recommend you do do some research primarily about the liver flush and then about other forms of detox which I think are jump starts to any diet ,even any kind of fasting. So after the detox your body will absorb much more nutrients from plants and so your transition to vegerarianism will be much more better and many waste will be also cleared including in the emotional body.
Basically my experience with vegetaniarism and veganism have really helped me in my "path" ,however dont be disappointed(in the case you decide to start the vegetarian diet) if you feel tired or feel that this type of alimentation is not for you since sometimes the first weeks or months as in my case can be some what difficult because mental conditioning from family and society that we needed meat to survive or due to many other factors.
So other from the other responses to your inquiry I can only add my recomendation about searching information about the liver flush and other types of soft detox.
the links
http://www.ener-chi.com/liverarticle.htm
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/
Sorry for any grammatical mistake or coherence in my writing since I am not a perfect writer in English yet
much love!!!!
P.S: amazing music , love it!
RE: eating - a different thread - Monica - 01-23-2011
(01-23-2011, 08:18 AM)daniel90 Wrote: To make a lot of information short the point is that I did a liver flush and in 2 days I was feeling years younger with out the exercise and eating normal and also lost a lot of ponds wich did not seem to vanish with exercise or healthy food!
Hi Daniel and welcome to Bring4th!
I agree 100%! According to Chinese medicine, different emotions are stored in different organs, and anger is stored in the liver. I too have experience with the liver flush and other various detox methods. I actually felt different emotions surface to be expressed and healed, as I did the various cleanses. I agree completely that they can kick-start a new, healthy lifestyle. Highly recommended!
There are many excellent sources of info on the subject.
RE: eating - a different thread - Joe6 - 01-27-2011
Hi all,
today companies have made it quite difficult to get healthy life. People also varies so much that someone can eat those burgers and pizzas decades and get nothing health issues and some struggle with those whole life. There is some very basic techniques which affects dramatically to health in positive way. Above are veery good advices and heres couple more I have learned to have life changing effects.
1. Breath! Yes, sounds weird what breathing is something to do with eating but you need more air than food. Breath deeply 5-10 times each set and atleast 5-10 times a day. You can expand when get used to it.
2. Drink Water! Yes, we need more frequently water than food. Drink between meals if you eat a lot of watery foods like fruits and vegetables, and drink even more if you have dried foods in your diet like meats, bread etc.
3. Eat whole foods as much as you can, vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds. Buy organic as much as you can.
4. Eat less but dont starve yourself. Dont watch clock, time has nothing to do with hunger. Eat when you really are hungry. Really-Hungry?-Check-Up -technique is that when you feel that you could eat something, drink a big glass of water and wait an hour. If youre still hungry then eat something but slowly and chew througly then your stomach can have time to settle the meal.
5. Exercise --- no its no pain, its just gain! Do anything you like but sitting inside the house. Atleast an hour a day, two is better than actually there is no limit. You cant get wrong on this bet. Anything what keeps you moving is good. If not like the gym, you can buy a bouncer and do a 30min power work out few times a week will sky rocket your fat storages to the deep space. Btw. in recent studies have shown that combined with 30min post-work-out going to infrared sauna will boost fat burning dramatically.
DONT OVER DO anything. It can be challenging loose a weight due to detoxing effects some get (like me) but it will ease up but remember that breathing and drinking water will help a lot. Most headaches I now rarely get will vanish with just deep-breathing exercise. Even my kids have headaches a lot and just a glass of water usually helps in 5-10mins.
Those basic things are so simple and effective but doctors and similar authors will ever tell you the truth since they dont make money with it so kids are learned to take a pill to every little ache they got.