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What did the origin look like? - Nabil Naser - 01-03-2011
Ra said that after infinity became aware, the creation was the same everywhere.
They said that where ever you looked, you could see the same thing.
Am I wrong?
If I am not, then perhaps you will join me in this little experiment.
Close your eyes, and try to think and imagine how things can be the same everywhere.
Remember that infinity became aware, and that finite entities came into existence.
Can you imagine the origin?
RE: What did the origin look like? - turtledude23 - 01-04-2011
I've thought about this topic alot. I think it went like this: there was infinity, it "divided" itself into universes which have space and time. Much more detailed experience can occur in these universes as I think the only possible experience "outside" them is all consuming unity. I don't think you could have looked and seen the same thing because I think perception of any kind only exists in universes with space and time, because perception is only necessary when there is apparent separation.
RE: What did the origin look like? - Nabil Naser - 01-05-2011
I agree with you regarding perception, and the necessity of space/time. I got the impression however, that Ra were trying to describe a geometric pattern, perhaps such as points of light that are equidistant everywhere.
(01-04-2011, 01:40 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: I've thought about this topic alot. I think it went like this: there was infinity, it "divided" itself into universes which have space and time. Much more detailed experience can occur in these universes as I think the only possible experience "outside" them is all consuming unity. I don't think you could have looked and seen the same thing because I think perception of any kind only exists in universes with space and time, because perception is only necessary when there is apparent separation.
RE: What did the origin look like? - turtledude23 - 01-06-2011
Geometric patterns do make sense to be the basis of creation, but I think they can only exist in space/time and maybe time/space, because if the questions "where" and "when" don't make any sense outside a universe then how could there be any kind of geometrical pattern? Geometry only exists in space. Although I do remember Ra said "infinity has a center", which make sense to me intuitively, even though it shouldn't make sense based on what I said above. If infinity has a center then maybe there was a geometrical pattern, or at least some kind of pattern, before the creation of universes. Perhaps there was something going on before the creation of universes which could be considered an experience other than unity, but it would be beyond our comprehension because the thing we're most familiar with is apparent separation in space/time.
To get back to your original question: I think what makes everything the same is some subtle metaphysical quality that we can only perceive in deep states of meditation, on drugs, or as adepts. Looking around us things are clearly not the same, thinking about things also brings the same conclusion, only when you start abstracting to the level of "consciousness is all that exists" would you realize that all things are consciousness, but even then they're not an equal amount of it (2D beings are less conscious than 3D beings), but then that's only when time exists, beyond our experience of non-simultaneous events you could say everything has the same level of consciousness. But for me thats just philosophy right now, I haven't had a mystical experience or realization to confirm that, I have to take Ra's word on it.