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The horror........ - sillypumpkins - 05-01-2022
Hi all, I just want to share an experience I've been having and see if anyone can relate.
First time this happened was last Christmas. I was drinking all day, and at the end of the night I went to bed. As I laid in bed, I began to feel this feeling utter terror. It was as though I was looking at an HP Lovecraft monster with my minds eye. Or if there was another human trapped in me, screaming. In between feeling absolutely horrified, I would occasionally hear little voices telling me to kill myself, that I'm no good, etc. Or the voices would just be screaming.
Along with all of that, I entered a catatonic state. Couldn't move. My face was frozen in horror.
Definitely felt very uhh... schizophrenic in that way. I feel as though the thoughts and feelings were my own, and yet I was so detached from my self that it felt like I was hearing 'others' voices.
So that was last December. Flashforward to last night. I am almost 2 months clean from drinking, I get back home from a long day, lay down and the same thing happens. However, this time I invoke a white light and just greeted it all as such. Which helped. It was somewhat exhausting though.
Now it's the morning.... it lingers. I'm ok, but it's lingering.
Has anyone experienced this before?
RE: The horror........ - Quincunx - 05-02-2022
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RE: The horror........ - LeiwoUnion - 05-02-2022
Service can come in so many ways other than, shall I say, formulating graffitos on the so called bring4th wall. Experiences are always unique to the viewer, thus sharing is not always useful.
That being said, I've contemplated the role of alcohol many times, especially when I'm meditating in the humid/dry hotness of sauna (well, in my view just being in sauna is meditation but I digress..). I always conciously/unconsciously share a blessing when 'wetting the stones' - "In a place of EARTH (wooden sauna), transformed by FIRE (sauna stove), carried by AIR (steam rising and sliding through air everywhere), blessed by WATER (steam, aka transformed water)". This seems to provide a very grounding connection with the planet, thus contemplations about alcohol drinks. Beer and cider, and perhaps wine (also why not even stronger beverages?) to me feel very connected to the primal elements of the first density: they are all present and vital parts of these types of alcoholic beverages and very connected to the planet Earth and its cycles. We can greet and pay homage to our primal roots in first density.
Then, the way I see alcohol societally is that it seems almost like a springboard for crossing the energetic border between the lower (chakras) and The Heart. If you think about it, a balanced use of alcohol dampens higher chakra activity (blue and up) while (in an ideal case) practically removes lower triad chakra blockages (existential fears, self insecurities, societal anxiety etc.) offering a chance for jumping into acceptance and unconditional experiencing of other selves, or in other words the opening/activating of the heart center. Those who have it already activated (which is likely most people by now; an assumption from the protocol of so called seniority of vibration) will not find alcohol too useful except perhaps as a sacrament to Earth which requires certain specific state of mind and will. This is how I see it, and this is my understanding.
RE: The horror........ - aWanderer91 - 05-02-2022
I realise your post wasn't necessarily about alcohol, but I'll offer what I can.
Talking from experience, alcohol really doesn't agree with the energy body, the energy body is the time/space version of ourselves that intermingles with our physical body. The more awake one becomes, the less tolerance one will have for alcohol and will find the side effects and consequences for drinking getting worse. So well done for your 2 month break.
Hearing voices and having negative thoughts really comes down to your discernment, on whether they are from your ego or negative entities. Either way, try not to panic and know help is at hand. You said you invoked a white light last time and it helped, so you found some coping mechanism to deal with this already. If you have the strength to see this out in terms of being willing to see if it happens again before going to see a healer of some sort, then you have the white light visualisation as protection it seems.
The ego can be very dark and cunning, and when we feel we are getting attacked by negative entities, really we are being attacked by our own ego. Q'uo does mention that to be attacked by a negative entity is quite rare but it shouldn't be ruled out and I'm not downsizing your experience. There are crystal healers and of course doctors out there who can help, so know you're not alone in the sense that there's lots of help available.
RE: The horror........ - aWanderer91 - 05-02-2022
p.s I don't want to derail your post sillypumpkins, but after reading your response LeiwoUnion I feel I would like to address the heaviness of the advice you gave. There's many who could read this and take that information on board, and in my view it's way off.
Alcohol removes no blockages, it's a temporary plaster that places you unconscious (in the spiritual sense and sometimes physical), I feel it could be quite a damaging view to feel that alcohol has spiritual benefits. There's a reason that it's legal, and that's to keep everyone unconscious and give them a crutch and a way from not looking at and working with their deeper issues.
There's no shortcuts to the heart chakra, to keep using alcohol is a sheer sign of needing something "out there" to make one happy, but I completely understand that alcohol helps quiet the mind (placing oneself spiritually unconscious) and that people have there ways of coping.
I hope I didn't come across as judgemental and this is all I will say on the matter
RE: The horror........ - YinYang - 05-03-2022
Rumi's poems are full of wine drinking and taverns, and I think many would consider him quite enlightened. I would. The same goes for many of the wise sages.
If an enlightened person uses alcohol he stays enlightened, and if an unconscious person uses alcohol, he stays unconscious. Alcohol is simply something to be enjoyed, and not something to be thought of as either spiritually advantageous or disadvantageous.
Latwii Wrote:This is not an easy polarization and that teacher named Jesus would never have promised that it was easy. For he said, “If you would be my disciple, take up your cross and follow me.” Did he mean, my friends, that all of you must go through life in some kind of terrible martyrdom, suffering in order to be wholesome? No, my friends. Your teacher laughed at weddings and changed water into wine so that his friends might make merry and rejoice. He had a very deep sense of humor and rarely felt sorry for himself. He knew the ways of love and he knew that the path involved is a stony path. The path of evolution is a rocky path.
If someone has a genetic disposition towards alcoholism, I might tell them to be careful, otherwise have fun and enjoy it.
As Carl Jung said, "the shoe that fits one person pinches another; there is no recipe for living that suits all cases."
RE: The horror........ - LeiwoUnion - 05-03-2022
(05-02-2022, 11:04 PM)aWanderer91 Wrote: p.s I don't want to derail your post sillypumpkins, but after reading your response LeiwoUnion I feel I would like to address the heaviness of the advice you gave. There's many who could read this and take that information on board, and in my view it's way off.
Alcohol removes no blockages, it's a temporary plaster that places you unconscious (in the spiritual sense and sometimes physical), I feel it could be quite a damaging view to feel that alcohol has spiritual benefits. There's a reason that it's legal, and that's to keep everyone unconscious and give them a crutch and a way from not looking at and working with their deeper issues.
There's no shortcuts to the heart chakra, to keep using alcohol is a sheer sign of needing something "out there" to make one happy, but I completely understand that alcohol helps quiet the mind (placing oneself spiritually unconscious) and that people have there ways of coping.
I hope I didn't come across as judgemental and this is all I will say on the matter
I did not wish to imply that alcohol is a shortcut or a replacement for proper working in mind. I tried to imply that alcohol as a chemical substance and as a part of the human societal complex is quite similar as many other substances, namely drugs, many of which can be found in nature. All of them may be helpful or unhelpful, abused or used in a balanced manner to and by the entity. However, these substances are seemingly not the same in their function and rather have distinct features to them that may be used as a, shall I say, catalyst booster by the well meaning entity seeking the higher truth on various levels. I was not offended by your comment my friend, and did not think it as judgemental. This is my understanding.
RE: The horror........ - YinYang - 05-03-2022
Meanwhile, in Africa...
Not my intention to derail, apologies, I just couldn't resist!
RE: The horror........ - Diana - 05-04-2022
I did not watch the elephant video above. Why is it drunk?
RE: The horror........ - hounsic - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 09:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I did not watch the elephant video above. Why is it drunk?
Fermented fruit is my guess.
RE: The horror........ - Diana - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 10:43 AM)hounsic Wrote:(05-04-2022, 09:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I did not watch the elephant video above. Why is it drunk?
Fermented fruit is my guess.
If that's the case I guess it might be a natural occurrence. I was concerned it was human intervention for entertainment's sake.
RE: The horror........ - flofrog - 05-04-2022
Silly, I never had any experience like the ones you mentioned in the first post. I do feel for you my friend it feels pretty horrific.
I have a feeling too, as mentioned above, that alcohol will have different reactions on each individual.
I never thought about how it could be handled differently by different awareness, really interesting, such as in Rumi’s case.
I do intuitively feel that brain cells are really hurt by the handling of alcohol, and probably feel ‘what is this entity thinking of’ lol.
This being said, I used to drink wine when I was younger, and even if I never binged, I think I was not very grateful towards all my cells which were fighting for me. I really, really dislike, lol, the expression ‘your body is a sacred temple’ but as new age as it is, I think it conveys something very true, and as much as alcohol is indeed like a plaster, it’s nice when you give it up when you’re older..
This being said, a margarita once in a while, is really great !!!
Best best wishes dear Silly…
RE: The horror........ - YinYang - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 11:57 AM)Diana Wrote:(05-04-2022, 10:43 AM)hounsic Wrote:(05-04-2022, 09:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I did not watch the elephant video above. Why is it drunk?
Fermented fruit is my guess.
If that's the case I guess it might be a natural occurrence. I was concerned it was human intervention for entertainment's sake.
Gosh, do you honestly think I would share animal cruelty on the forum for laughs?!? You're not the only animal lover around here, Di...
RE: The horror........ - Diana - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 12:19 PM)YinYang Wrote:(05-04-2022, 11:57 AM)Diana Wrote:(05-04-2022, 10:43 AM)hounsic Wrote:(05-04-2022, 09:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I did not watch the elephant video above. Why is it drunk?
Fermented fruit is my guess.
If that's the case I guess it might be a natural occurrence. I was concerned it was human intervention for entertainment's sake.
Gosh, do you honestly think I would share animal cruelty on the forum for laughs?!? You're not the only animal lover around here, Di...
No. Forgive me if that seemed to you like the inference. I meant no offense, and I didn't think you would have knowingly posted something like that. And I was too much of a coward to watch the video.
I have been in the advertising industry where animals are used in ads, and I know the proliferation of people using animals for youtube videos, and sometimes they look innocent enough. But they rarely are in my opinion.
RE: The horror........ - ada - 05-04-2022
(05-01-2022, 12:19 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Hi all, I just want to share an experience I've been having and see if anyone can relate.
First time this happened was last Christmas. I was drinking all day, and at the end of the night I went to bed. As I laid in bed, I began to feel this feeling utter terror. It was as though I was looking at an HP Lovecraft monster with my minds eye. Or if there was another human trapped in me, screaming. In between feeling absolutely horrified, I would occasionally hear little voices telling me to kill myself, that I'm no good, etc. Or the voices would just be screaming.
Along with all of that, I entered a catatonic state. Couldn't move. My face was frozen in horror.
Definitely felt very uhh... schizophrenic in that way. I feel as though the thoughts and feelings were my own, and yet I was so detached from my self that it felt like I was hearing 'others' voices.
So that was last December. Flashforward to last night. I am almost 2 months clean from drinking, I get back home from a long day, lay down and the same thing happens. However, this time I invoke a white light and just greeted it all as such. Which helped. It was somewhat exhausting though.
Now it's the morning.... it lingers. I'm ok, but it's lingering.
Has anyone experienced this before?
I had a similar experience the night before I traveled to meet L/L and other members in Prague. I had all kinds of nightmares or things happening to me before, but not hearing an other-self voice/thought talking down on me. I could share the details if you'd like, but in regard to your OP I feel that others have already answered this better than I could. All I can offer is that of praying and thanking the creator after such an experience and contemplating/meditating it to a balanced or positive experience, in hopes of letting go without attachment. All is well.
RE: The horror........ - jafar - 05-05-2022
(05-01-2022, 12:19 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Hi all, I just want to share an experience I've been having and see if anyone can relate.
First time this happened was last Christmas. I was drinking all day, and at the end of the night I went to bed. As I laid in bed, I began to feel this feeling utter terror. It was as though I was looking at an HP Lovecraft monster with my minds eye. Or if there was another human trapped in me, screaming. In between feeling absolutely horrified, I would occasionally hear little voices telling me to kill myself, that I'm no good, etc. Or the voices would just be screaming.
Along with all of that, I entered a catatonic state. Couldn't move. My face was frozen in horror.
Definitely felt very uhh... schizophrenic in that way. I feel as though the thoughts and feelings were my own, and yet I was so detached from my self that it felt like I was hearing 'others' voices.
So that was last December. Flashforward to last night. I am almost 2 months clean from drinking, I get back home from a long day, lay down and the same thing happens. However, this time I invoke a white light and just greeted it all as such. Which helped. It was somewhat exhausting though.
Now it's the morning.... it lingers. I'm ok, but it's lingering.
Has anyone experienced this before?
Yes I have, quite few if not many many times.
Initially I was 'afraid' too but as time progress the fear is gone.
When you're drinking, stressed or tired, your 'astral body' (for the lack of better term) will resonate accordingly, on such case, in low frequency.
It will then attract low frequency astral entities towards you and your consciousness will also tune in to the lower frequency range, sensing lower frequency realms.
Thus you became aware of their presence and it's surrounding realm.
I usually use the metaphor of Radio for this, all radio stations exist on each frequency slot, playing death metal up to classical music each as it's own 'specialty'.
It's up to the listener to tune in on which frequency, thus station, thus musical genre.
On next occurence try to work on focusing your mental condition / mood, let's say you happened to be 'tuned in' to the lower frequency station, try to uplift your mood by recalling nice or joyful experience, remember your loved ones, family, parents, children anything or recall any nice memory on your vacation... then you will experience the 'shifting' of the realm around you and also the 'being' that you encountered.
This is what many people refer to 'moving up to higher realm', which actually shifting your consciousness to focus on higher frequency range.
Or 'tuning the dial' on the radio.
Last but not least, try flying.. yes you can fly when you're focusing on your astral body.
Basically you're a ghost when the consciousness is focusing on the astral body.
RE: The horror........ - YinYang - 05-05-2022
Diana Wrote:No. Forgive me if that seemed to you like the inference. I meant no offense, and I didn't think you would have knowingly posted something like that. And I was too much of a coward to watch the video.
I have been in the advertising industry where animals are used in ads, and I know the proliferation of people using animals for youtube videos, and sometimes they look innocent enough. But they rarely are in my opinion.
All good, Di. I think I can easily distinguish between humour and animal cruelty, and I would certainly not consider humans making animals drunk humorous. I just thought I'd share something interesting that people living in Africa are well familiar with, as it's a yearly occurrence.
Of course, there are many examples in nature of animals taking consciousness altering substances, lemurs are also very interesting.
RE: The horror........ - tadeus - 05-05-2022
(05-01-2022, 12:19 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: As I laid in bed, I began to feel this feeling utter terror. It was as though I was looking at an HP Lovecraft monster with my minds eye. Or if there was another human trapped in me, screaming. In between feeling absolutely horrified, I would occasionally hear little voices telling me to kill myself, that I'm no good, etc. Or the voices would just be screaming.
Has anyone experienced this before?
I have experienced something like this about 3 times, but not under the influence of alcohol.
It was like a nightmare in which something extremely dark was trying to take possession of me and suffocate me.
At that moment, however, I abruptly awake and was able to actively push back this attack, but a real traumatization remained for some time about it.
There is a connection to strong involvement with the Ra-material and service to others, so in the reflection this is interpreted as a psychic / physical greeting.
It helps to try to generate a mental shield of light and to ask the guardian spirits for support.
jafar has described this in other form:
(05-05-2022, 02:13 AM)jafar Wrote: On next occurence try to work on focusing your mental condition / mood, let's say you happened to be 'tuned in' to the lower frequency station, try to uplift your mood by recalling nice or joyful experience, remember your loved ones, family, parents, children anything or recall any nice memory on your vacation... then you will experience the 'shifting' of the realm around you and also the 'being' that you encountered.
This is what many people refer to 'moving up to higher realm', which actually shifting your consciousness to focus on higher frequency range.
Or 'tuning the dial' on the radio.