(12-19-2010, 05:49 PM)jivatman Wrote: Yes it does seem high - and it's unlikely that Ra means that one knows they are a wanderer;

(12-19-2010, 05:49 PM)jivatman Wrote: Instead it probably includes anyone who are certain enough that they are different that they place some sort of label on themselves,

This might range from those who think they are angels (I've personally encountered a few wanderers who thought this), fairies or nature spirits, etc.

To those of a more sci-fi orientation who are fairly sure something makes them different, but attribute it to genetic or environmental causes.

Sure, it might still seem like a high number, but remember these thoughts are generally not the sort of thing you put on your facebook profile.

(12-19-2010, 05:49 PM)jivatman Wrote: Instead it probably includes anyone who are certain enough that they are different that they place some sort of label on themselves,

This might range from those who think they are angels (I've personally encountered a few wanderers who thought this), fairies or nature spirits, etc.

(12-19-2010, 05:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote: So, at that time, taking the ~9% from the first group, there were roughly 6 million people here who *knew*, not suspected, they were not from earth? Doesn't that number seem remarkably high?

(12-19-2010, 06:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Right, obvious for two reasons: #1 is that Carla invented the word ("what this instrument would call a Wanderer"), and #2 is the material was not disseminated to those individuals.

Quote:And their use of "angel" seems to loosely borrow from, but is not bound to religious text. To me, after buying into the comprehensive "universe" explained in the Ra material, it seems to beg the question of what they are talking about. I mean, what is a fairy or angel?

I thought a fairy/nature spirit was an entity from the local earth planes. If so, I could see how people would relate to them as different, but how could that be associated with not being from earth?

(12-19-2010, 08:27 PM)unity100 Wrote: there is too much religious influence still. and a lot of entities are refusing to let go of their existing biases. or, wanting to make the existing biases work with the new info for the sake of convenience and not to disrupt the peace.

(12-19-2010, 05:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote: 36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one short one before we close. Can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and have become aware of who they are, and finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or to improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

So, at that time, taking the ~9% from the first group, there were roughly 6 million people here who *knew*, not suspected, they were not from earth? Doesn't that number seem remarkably high?

(12-20-2010, 03:32 PM)thefool Wrote:

(12-19-2010, 05:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote: 36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one short one before we close. Can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and have become aware of who they are, and finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or to improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

So, at that time, taking the ~9% from the first group, there were roughly 6 million people here who *knew*, not suspected, they were not from earth? Doesn't that number seem remarkably high?

it depends. If we take 9% or about 7 million people to be completely self aware then it seems like a high number to me. Maybe that is where you are coming from. I think the key is to get a good definition of 'penetrating intelligently their status'. What does it really mean as per Ra? Does it mean totally self aware or does it mean understanding in a certain way?

(12-20-2010, 09:20 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not as sure what Ra means by 'penetrating intelligently their status' as others seem to be here, but it's interesting that Ra did attempt to both quantify and qualify specific differences in wanderers' understanding about their 'larger condition'.

Also, I'm not sure if such understanding would be considered "penetrating the veil" or "memory block", or if it's the result of a bunch of feelings, experienced over time that reinforce or make compelling a certain way of understanding their situation.

(12-21-2010, 12:09 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: Of course I cannot speak for those that have reached the fully enlightened state of consciousness and remained there whilst in space/time 3rd density, but for me, entrance into time/space and full consciousness whilst still in third density... is something... that I shall never forget. Of course, upon returning to space/time I was once again in a veiled state, but with new understanding... with certainty and knowledge I had not had before. Consistent meditation does have its advantages...

(12-21-2010, 02:28 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: I was visited by a messenger of my home social memory complex and was telepathically communicated where I am from, though I had to go through a process to come up with the vibratory complex of sound interpretation so as to correlate the telepathic understanding to a known social memory complex.

(12-21-2010, 02:28 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: must say since then I understand telepathy in a way I never did (veiled) and look forward to using that form of communication whether prior to or after this incarnate experience is finished. Even the most beautiful prose is clumsy and limited compared to telepathy.

(12-21-2010, 03:05 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well I guess that's the "direct approach" ("you are from here"). I've had similar experiences (5D light-being entities, 4D entities, greys, earth spirits, etheric entities, UFO encounters, telepathy, precognition, primordial consciousness, satori, visions, remote-healing, etc) as I'm sure most others have had on this type of forum. Yet as fantastic and incongruent with status-quo thought as all that may be, it does not present a distraction or a longing for home, or particularly impress upon me some kind of identity as a wanderer. I just tend to want to learn more about it, and over time wind up finding people that somehow have found a way to have it all integrated and understood a lot more than I.

(12-21-2010, 04:25 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I believe messaging (or "cluing") wanderers (as it were) is done often to help them wake up when they are confused, though it is always done so free will is left intact.

(12-21-2010, 04:49 PM)Eddie Wrote:

(12-21-2010, 04:25 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I believe messaging (or "cluing") wanderers (as it were) is done often to help them wake up when they are confused, though it is always done so free will is left intact.

That's why I saw all those UFOs as a kid.

(12-21-2010, 04:25 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: The direct approach did not actually contravene free will be telling me directly. The communication was more along the lines of "We are old friends (and I knew it), my name is _________ and you are of us". Because I had to find the vibratory complex of sound which corresponded to the communication of the name, it was left to me to choose to believe it or not. I would say this is akin to something like someone telling you "I can't say a thing", and then nodding yes or no to questions, not saying a thing.

(12-22-2010, 01:35 AM)zenmaster Wrote: However, some people here seem to have intimate contact with ET's - even to the point of being basically raised by them. I've read that guy's entire (fascinating) story and it's truthful.

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(12-23-2010, 06:50 PM)DarkSai Wrote: As i see it there are two key parts to Don's question. He asked how many people had 'penetrated the memory block' and 'became aware of who they are'. The memory block is only a perception derived from the veil between space/time and time/space, where all memories reside. So, i believe, piercing the veil is somewhat synonymous with piercing the memory block, even though its not 'technically' the same. This might also explain why Ra used the phrase 'penetrated their status'.

(12-23-2010, 06:50 PM)DarkSai Wrote: The 2nd part, 'become aware of who they are' i believe Ra have taken this as meaning simply that they became aware that they are eternal co-Creators and are One with All.

(12-23-2010, 06:50 PM)DarkSai Wrote: I would also like to point out that not everyone that pierces the veil has their entire soul stream laid out in front of them immediately.

(12-23-2010, 06:50 PM)DarkSai Wrote: It requires a further act of free will, be it conscious or not, to experience those things once the veil is pierced.

(12-23-2010, 06:50 PM)DarkSai Wrote: Thus, i believe its not a far stretch to assume that Ra was counting those who have, essentially, had awakening experience where they touched intelligent Infinity and came to know their True Nature.