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Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-19-2010
63.32 Questioner: When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. This instrument has energy left due to transfer but there is discomfort. We do not wish to deplete this instrument. May we say that this instrument seems in better configuration despite attack than previous workings.
To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density.
I understand thought-forms and feelings, but anyone care to explain what is meant by "artifacts"? I first thought it would be a thought-form, but that would seem to be redundant.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - Aaron - 12-19-2010
The questioner didn't explicitly mention the physical structures we've created, like the cities and roadways. Those are what first pop into my mind when I think of artifacts.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-19-2010
(12-19-2010, 06:53 PM)Aaron Wrote: The questioner didn't explicitly mention the physical structures we've created, like the cities and roadways. Those are what first pop into my mind when I think of artifacts.Me too, but those are obviously of 1st density. So it still begs the question.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - Protonexus - 12-19-2010
The energetic patterns created from thoughtforms and feelings, what has been manifest onto the earth electromagnetic grid by these aspects of human being. The memory of the consquences of our presence and actions, history's repeating cycle will be left behind and neutralized.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - unity100 - 12-19-2010
probably any kind of created artefact that were made by 3d entities with or without 3d vibration.
paintings, works of art, buildings etcetc
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-19-2010
(12-19-2010, 08:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: probably any kind of created artefact that were made by 3d entities with or without 3d vibration.What is it that assures you that this is the case?
paintings, works of art, buildings etcetc
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - unity100 - 12-20-2010
(12-19-2010, 10:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-19-2010, 08:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: probably any kind of created artefact that were made by 3d entities with or without 3d vibration.What is it that assures you that this is the case?
paintings, works of art, buildings etcetc
concept of magic, in Ra material. the group was charging various objects, even salt, with various energies.
actually it shouldnt be any different for any kind of object/creation. leave aside being charged, they are created directly by entities vibrating in a particular vibration in the first place. and, any 3d object created by an 3d entity, should carry the biases existing in entity's mind and the biases in societal mind due to varying extents. (should depend on how strongly the entity is attached to the societal mind and functioning in sync with it too)
a 1930s art panel reflects the thoughts and feelings of 1930s. moreover, it is charged by the thoughts and feelings of its creator, who was affected to any degree with the climate in 1930s.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-20-2010
I'm thinking the yellow-ray artifacts in question are energetic "vestments" on first density things. Whereas the thought-forms are more like autonomous self-perpetuating patterns, and the feelings are perhaps just ephemeral energy of some kind. Presumably, like the mind, each of these are non-local, time/space structures.
14.1 Questioner: After going over this morning’s work, I thought it might be helpful to fill in a few things. You said that the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness, or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms being invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?
Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.
If 2nd density strives towards 3rd density and, since this is going into potentiation soon, then presumably 2nd density evolution would take somewhat longer. For example, millions of pets, at some point after going feral, no longer experience that 'love' energy that accelerated their evolution.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - unity100 - 12-20-2010
each existing space/time object, has a time/space counterpart, however.
Quote:If 2nd density strives towards 3rd density and, since this is going into potentiation soon, then presumably 2nd density evolution would take somewhat longer. For example, millions of pets, at some point after going feral, no longer experience that 'love' energy that accelerated their evolution.
i think this is a deeper subject. for, the striving upwards is apparently something that is inherent to ever present existential energies that flows from the low end of the entities. (upward flowing). its more time/space, spiritual, and ever present.
if we combine this with the fact that Ra has been in this planet's 5d in time/space, despite there is no active manifestation of 5d vibration in this planet (5d in potentiation), it means that in regard to time/space, the drive towards upwards will always stay, and manifesting in time/space presences in different densities is possible.
one thing that can be said however, is probably that when the 3d turns off here, manifesting in 3d will be much more difficult or impossible. so the entities which are evolving from 2d into 3d, may have to go to other planets.
still, it is a possibility that the 3d going into potentiation and 3d vibration going out may make it longer for 2d entities to reach 3d.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-20-2010
(12-20-2010, 10:29 PM)unity100 Wrote: each existing space/time object, has a time/space counterpart, however.
Yes, at least per Larson. Presumably, each density has its own analog of the familiar or more conventionally measurable electrical, magnetic and atomic phenomena - where "object" would fall under the category of an atomic aggregate. When Ra says "magnetic fields", they often seem to be talking about something other than 1st density. For example, perhaps when Ra says "Aging is a function of the effects of various electro-magnetic fields...", they are referring to a 2nd-density phenomenon of electro-magnetism.
Also, with increasing density, there would be increasing complexity to the phenomena. So 2nd-density "magnetism" may have some properties or qualities that we might associate with "mind" or "life". Maybe the so-called "etheric energies" are of this nature?
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - unity100 - 12-21-2010
(12-20-2010, 10:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes, at least per Larson. Presumably, each density has its own analog of the familiar or more conventionally measurable electrical, magnetic and atomic phenomena - where "object" would fall under the category of an atomic aggregate. When Ra says "magnetic fields", they often seem to be talking about something other than 1st density. For example, perhaps when Ra says "Aging is a function of the effects of various electro-magnetic fields...", they are referring to a 2nd-density phenomenon of electro-magnetism.
i didnt read larson that in detail. if you can explain this concept in detail and with examples, it seems like it will be useful at this point. there may be directions that one can go starting from that approach.
Quote:Also, with increasing density, there would be increasing complexity to the phenomena. So 2nd-density "magnetism" may have some properties or qualities that we might associate with "mind" or "life". Maybe the so-called "etheric energies" are of this nature?
ether generally means astral but Ra uses etheric body to denote the time/space equivalent 6d body as far as i remember. also, they say that when entities die, immediately formmaker indigo body activates, and the entity stays in this body until 'ether is penetrated'.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-22-2010
(12-21-2010, 03:09 AM)unity100 Wrote: i didnt read larson that in detail. if you can explain this concept in detail and with examples, it seems like it will be useful at this point. there may be directions that one can go starting from that approach.As you may know, Larson took Samuel Alexander's philosphical concept of time/space and space/time and made a system of theory from it. Don (the "Questioner") and Larson met at some point and became friends. Apparently, Ra picked up on these terms and used them extensively in the material. It took me about 10 years to understand the RS well enough to see the elegant simplicity in it, and the explanative potential it possessed. Larson mainly focused on "1st density", but a posthumous book "Beyond Space and Time" was published that kind of extrapolated the concepts into more speculative, metaphysical realms.
Space and time are two sides of the same coin, just like yin and yang (in fact "space" is the "yang" and "time" is the "yin"). But they are intrinsically, actually the exact same thing. It's only our psychological perspective that gives them their perceived qualities. One aspect is made distinct and relatable only by ignoring the qualities of the other, and this is the primary psychological duality here (thought itself is necessarily dual here).
(12-21-2010, 03:09 AM)unity100 Wrote:When I think of "astral" I think of 1 of 4 things: a type of emotional energy that bridges mind and body, the astral planes from the perspective of 3rd density (i.e. 'astral' projection or OBE), thought forms that subtly appear in ghostly transparent structure (in hypnagogic/hypnopompic states usually), and the entire "4th density".(12-20-2010, 10:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Also, with increasing density, there would be increasing complexity to the phenomena. So 2nd-density "magnetism" may have some properties or qualities that we might associate with "mind" or "life". Maybe the so-called "etheric energies" are of this nature?ether generally means astral but Ra uses etheric body to denote the time/space equivalent 6d body as far as i remember. also, they say that when entities die, immediately formmaker indigo body activates, and the entity stays in this body until 'ether is penetrated'.
When I think of "etheric", I think of that energy that operates just above the physical, for example what is imaged with Kirlian photography - the subtle body layer just above the neurological. It also seems to be an energy that is easily created and molded by thought and influences or patterns the way things are manifested in the physical.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - Crimson - 12-23-2010
There are about 25000 nuclear weapons at this present time. I wonder what that would mean for a 4d+ Earth.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - Namaste - 12-23-2010
(12-23-2010, 10:37 AM)Crimson Wrote: There are about 25000 nuclear weapons at this present time. I wonder what that would mean for a 4d+ Earth.
That of third density does not vibrate at the necessary level to exist in fourth density, hence the "quantum leap" in particle velocity and rotation which Ra describes. Creations of a negative intent (literally) cannot exist in 4D+.
On the subject of the question, it depends how one views the classification of third density. If a third density man person creates a structure, is that structure not then born of third density life? Indeed, it may consist of first density material, however, it's existence is purely due to third density creativity. Add to that, the creation will contain the energetic imprint and intent of the creator.
Consider the human body. It is constructed of lower density material, yet is the carrier for third density experience.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - zenmaster - 12-23-2010
(12-23-2010, 01:34 PM)Namaste Wrote: On the subject of the question, it depends how one views the classification of third density. If a third density man person creates a structure, is that structure not then born of third density life? Indeed, it may consist of first density material, however, it's existence is purely due to third density creativity.Let's take this to absurdity to try to understand more. One could re-shape the earth (dredge, explode, till, dig, bore) to a desired form and whatever was touched sand, rock, soil, would become "of third density", or breathe in and out (artfully?) and those air particles are now of third density, sing in the rain - rain (water bodies) now third density, digest, expel, etc. All "born" of 3rd density life. Basically anything touched, or perhaps even looked at or noticed or merely considered, or maybe just was suspected of existing, must therefore be born of third density life.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - unity100 - 12-24-2010
the dug borehole will be a shape that was constructed by a 3rd density entity, but it will be comprised of 1d material in 1d vibration. it may be charged with 3rd density thoughts/feelings or vibration energies in time/space.
RE: Deactivated 3rd density artifacts - Namaste - 12-24-2010
(12-24-2010, 04:18 AM)unity100 Wrote: the dug borehole will be a shape that was constructed by a 3rd density entity, but it will be comprised of 1d material in 1d vibration. it may be charged with 3rd density thoughts/feelings or vibration energies in time/space.
Exactly.