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any L&L from covid, vax? - IndigoSalvia - 12-27-2021
I see several threads about the vaccines. I'm also curious about where the L&L are in this pandemic. (If there's already a thread out there like this, feel free to point me in that direction.)
Something intuitively tells me that this virus has also enlightened humanity, and there is Love & Light - and unity - within our varied experiences. Our human tribe - all of us humans on this earth - are experiencing this pandemic together, collectively. A catalyst that unites all of us humans globally is, to me, perhaps unprecedented.
I certainly don't overlook the tragedy and strain as there is much of it. I am just also looking for unity and L&L herein. I recall that Ra told a story about a STS (Orion?) plan that was implemented to create separation and control over others, yet it surprisingly backfired due to love. And the outcome was not what the STS faction intended.
The pandemic is/has been a mixed bag for me personally; it included a healthy dose of suffering. Also, though, I broke free from my go, go, go schedule. I found Law of One and this forum in the midst of the pandemic. If I had not had my life shaken up so, I'm not sure when or if I would've stumbled upon Law of One material.
Do you see unity and L&L in this pandemic? If so, where?
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - the - 12-27-2021
this is what I wrote recently about L&L/catalyst of pandemic vaccine
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=17112&pid=307783#pid307783
finally realized this C19 vaccine thing is a good catalyst. i used to think this thing took too much of time, affect my learning on high-dimension science etc. for a time I want to reduce time spend on this C19 vaccine thing, but doesn't work :-)
now i realized somehow this is my spiritual development path. this whole thing helped my spiritual development, gave me a hands on experience to apply my knowledge, so i can have better understanding of the timeline, the 'void', even exposed some of my 'shadow', so i can take actions to light the shadow, accept it. and deal with some hidden fear.
and through synchronicity, many good articles showed up. like the one below.
https://www.swaruu.org/transcripts/what-...her-planes
also, from book 'the ascension papers' , i already know everything is right . if i can't see the beauty of picture, it's because i stand too close to it.
through this vaccine thing, i have far better understanding of knowing why it's "right" ( at my current level of ignorance):
1. it's not because this c19 vaccine is good for people. a lot of people are dead, got long term disability from it. so it is definitely hurting and killing people. but on the other hand, a lot of people wake up from their family member, friends' vaccine injury. a lot of people took 2 shots, and decided not to take 3rd shots.
even more surprisingly, i am seeing more and more people start to have compassion, organized to help each other, at a faster pace i have never seen before.
2. it's because some of those lower consciousness level people use this opportunity to exit the game, a lot of survived people began to wake up, so human being's group consciousness level actually went up. its like remove from weeds from grains. maybe this analogy is too harsh, but it's the truth
again, all above is just understanding at my current level of ignorance. every moment, i am learning something new, building a new and more expanded viewpoints, and may having a slight different viewpoints than before.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - Margan - 12-29-2021
For all of us collectively, I think this covid catalyst offers a possibility to progress faster than we would in "normal" times.
So there is definitely an influx of light
despite me sometimes wishing that I would wake up one morning and things would be as before.But for me personally, I need those "kicks in the butt" because if things are too easy I get lazy and dont meditate. Whereas now, just to counterbalance all the horror stories and panic mode that media etc are transmitting, I am forced to get back to the essentials and focus on spirituality.... and I do believe if we are able to be non-judgmental and acceptance vis-a-vis otherselves that may share opposing views when it comes to vaxx and draconian state measures, then this is a lot bigger leap forward than having acceptance during normal times, when differences of opinion are not as pronounced as now. So the situation offers definitely a lot of chances for spiritual seekers
there fore we should actually be grateful that all this came up.Thank you for posing this question, and the, thanks for mentioning the ascension papers! i had not heard of them and discovered the free e-book. I only read a couple pages so far but it feels very interesting
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - tadeus - 12-29-2021
(12-27-2021, 03:08 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I see several threads about the vaccines. I'm also curious about where the L&L are in this pandemic. (If there's already a thread out there like this, feel free to point me in that direction.)
...
Do you see unity and L&L in this pandemic? If so, where?
I see the ultimate forced choice in this pandemic.
For all those who have difficulty in spiritual development, a new start in a new incarnation is made possible.
This can definitely be seen as a grace and help for one's own development.
The interesting question is now, in which direction it develops for those who remain on this planet / sphere?
L/L Research seems to avoid these current topics in the (last) channelings.
This includes other new themes that comes up like stolen history.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - the - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 04:50 AM)Margan Wrote: and the, thanks for mentioning the ascension papers! i had not heard of them and discovered the free e-book. I only read a couple pages so far but it feels very interesting
np at all. I also heard this book from this forum, that book helped a lot of people step out of their ‘dark night of the soul', including myself.
so hope that book can help you and other people as well.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - IndigoSalvia - 12-30-2021
(12-29-2021, 06:01 AM)tadeus Wrote: I see the ultimate forced choice in this pandemic.For all those who have difficulty in spiritual development, a new start in a new incarnation is made possible.
This can definitely be seen as a grace and help for one's own development.
The interesting question is now, in which direction it develops for those who remain on this planet / sphere?
Yes, it is an interesting question: what happens - spiritually - to Earth as we walk together through this pandemic, and afterward?
You reference an ultimate forced choice: are you speaking spiritually, physically, or both? Because virus-related information is so prevalent, I can see that we are pushed out of complacency and into actively engaging. I haven't met a person who doesn't have an opinion on the topic. It seems that many of us are very consciously considering our choices.
And, here is where I see unity: not that we are making the same choice (because we're not), but that most/all are actively engaging in choices. I see unity in the shared journey, not the destinations.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - tadeus - 12-30-2021
(12-30-2021, 12:53 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Yes, it is an interesting question: what happens - spiritually - to Earth as we walk together through this pandemic, and afterward?
The situation is to complex and there is a informational warfare.
(12-30-2021, 12:53 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: You reference an ultimate forced choice: are you speaking spiritually, physically, or both? Because virus-related information is so prevalent, I can see that we are pushed out of complacency and into actively engaging. I haven't met a person who doesn't have an opinion on the topic. It seems that many of us are very consciously considering our choices.
The answer is both - you have already catched the point.
Everyone is forced to come out of the sinkhole of indifference into an active opinion - whatever it is.
The opinion is often just the repeating of the mainstream media, but the forced decision is to vaccinate or not with all of its consequences.
Of course there will be a big mass that only vaccinate because it is forced and the mainstream media says that this is good, but at least it is a decision of free will to (still) follow what the mainstream dictates.
An upheaval of society is inevitable, even if it may end in the so-called new world order.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - IndigoSalvia - 01-05-2022
I read this Quo session, and it prompted me to think of this discussion, among others.
Quote:... your third-density world at this time is giving birth to its fourth-density self. The Earth or Gaia is exhausting its third-density identity at this time. And in unseen realms interpenetrating with the third density planet, or Gaia, is a baby Gaia. It is being born full-grown and is swimming into coherence with the inevitability of the striking of the clock upon the hour. It is time for fourth-density Earth to be born.
We are happy to say that the birth is going well, and the baby is alive. The challenges that you experience in your third-density planet at this time, having have to do with wind and weather, are the birth pains of third-density Gaia as she adjusts her rate of vibration in order to bring forth the fourth-density Earth in both its space/time and its time/space aspects. At this time, however, it is a time/space phenomenon and it will not become a fourth-density space/time entity until the third-density inhabitants have been thoroughly cleared safely from the planet.
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2005/1015
I wonder if (in addition to the weather challenges that Quo mentions) covid is related to what Quo says: 4D Gaia will not exist in space/time until 3D beings have been safely cleared from the planet. As our 3D brothers and sisters depart this beautiful home of ours and walk the steps of light, 4D Gaia is slowly being born.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - flofrog - 01-05-2022
Quite beautiful IndigoSalvia… I totally agree with you that there is love and light in this event, whatever the choices made about the vaccines. It sort of feels more joyous as days gain on, even with the pain of earthly losing friends and families.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - Diana - 01-06-2022
I have been thinking about this thread and the question posed. I came up with a lot of questioning rather than answers.
I don't think it is simple. I don't think it's just about loving everything here, though that is of course part of the bigger picture. Even that alone is not simple, as acceptance in my view must ideally be something that an individual truly understands and not just "gives in to" for an intellectual or emotional reason.
On the one hand, even from the standpoint of 3D interactions, allowing others to do as they will (within reason—I wouldn't stand by while a child or animal was beaten to death in front of me), from my experience, results in outcomes that 1) do not involve any sort of control over another entity, 2) allow for complete responsibility and accountability for the other entity involved in any action or thought, 3 ) lead to cleaner, less muddled, more conscious decisions, 4) relieve me of any attachment, thus "karmic involvement" of another entity's process. Allowing others to do as they will I think is a teach/learn moment in itself.
On the other hand, there is the concept of shedding light on a matter. This may be seen in the concept of radiating who and what one is—which happens whether or not one is aware of it. If one is a Wanderer, then one will have that energy signature, and yet it will be mitigated by how one acts, thinks, and deals with this 3D world. The concept of "know thyself," and being authentic, aligning to one's true self or the self beyond the 3D societal, cultural, and veiled dramas, is not easy in this world where so much pressure is put upon fitting in with the human tribe.
So what does it mean to be here, in Ra's words to "not get caught up in the maelstrom," to express your authentic self, not interfere with the paths of others, yet step in to be of service ("To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this"). It is easy to understand that an entity may need food for the physical body. But is it easy to understand if that entity needs something intangible such as freedom (many people have "indoor" cats and declaw them so they won't scratch the furniture; parents sometimes force children into religious protocols; enslaved 3D entities cry out for help such as North Koreans and for that matter actual slaves until it was illegal to keep slaves).
Another question is: like in the Star Trek Confederation of Planets dictum not to interfere with planetary cultures, does a Wanderer just stand by and watch as people are enslaved, senseless wars are engaged, corruption of governments proliferates, the planet continues to be pillaged in the name of short-term profit, and so on regarding destructive and unethical human goings-on? As Ra answered a call from us, are we here to answer a call? Ra engaged with us. Do we just hang around here radiating love and not engage at all? I am not criticizing this idea, rather I am just posing questions for consideration.
And finally: What is unity? Is unity complying with an outside authority? For a Wanderer, does compliance with a culture make sense? I think it can from a certain point of view involving discernment. But how does this balance with authenticity and honoring one's own existence here—mind, body, and spirit? Unity cannot be forced. It is not about everybody doing the same thing, or "fitting in." Unity, which leads to the next iteration of existence according to Ra, that of forming a SMC, happens due to a natural magnetism and alignment of authentic selves, not because those selves are forcing a fit, or compromising (in my opinion).
In addition, unity is not just for humans. There is a whole infinite universe to unite with, and on this planet humanity has barely begun to unite with other life forms. I think the relationship of humanity and other life forms such as a virus is worth contemplating.
Seen from a higher perspective such as the one those of Ra and other higher density or discarnate beings perceive, where timespace collapses the linear construct of experience in 3D, it may indeed look as though all is well (in the long run as we might say here). Considering the Potentiator of the Spirit in regard to this planet in general, it may be observed that in order for major change to happen, outdated builded structures must be destroyed. It seems to me we are in the thick of this now as a planetary society.
The one thing I can safely posit is authenticity in the face of challenge. Whether or not someone is a Wanderer, I do think it is vital to stand strong in self, to not fit in for the sake of fitting in, which I think goes too far and does not honor self (mind, body, spirit). I think it is always good to question, especially the self.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - flofrog - 01-06-2022
Such an interesting post, Diana thank you.
I still wonder about this : considering that first affected is the body, by the virus, outside the fact that a virus once integrated in the body may affect others bodies, doesn't it still then pinpoint to intuition as to what is important to do for one's body first ? Whence, each intuition to its own. So woudlnt you say that honoring the other one's choice is in fact the primary duty, whether or not that coach affects oneself ? It's such an interesting thing.
I am just asking and wondering too... lol
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - IndigoSalvia - 01-06-2022
(01-06-2022, 11:37 AM)Diana Wrote: I have been thinking about this thread and the question posed. I came up with a lot of questioning rather than answers.
Thanks, Diana, these are helpful questions. Your thoughts reiterate my own exploration of love and Love, unity and Unity, etc.
I am at a spot on my spiritual path where I sense the limitations of my own 3D, human capacity to express love, or a lower-cased love. I can also begin to sense when Love (infinite, unconditional) flows through me.
Similarly, I can sense my 3D capacity to experience unity; and at other glorious times, can just get a wee little taste of Unity.
In other words, how can I simultaneously be both a being of 3D (experience veiled love, unity), and a being of infinite Oneness (experience Love, Unity)?
Like a Venn diagram: one sphere is my 3D self, and the other sphere is Oneness. How are these seemingly separate spheres of beingness interpenetrating one another?
Perhaps like flofrog mentions ...
(and just follow my bread-crumb path of resonance)The only way I can begin to experience Love and Unity within this global catalyst is to step beyond my 3D-ness. There, I marvel.
p.s. Love your Prime Directive reference. And, let's not forget the Borg gem: resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - the - 01-06-2022
(01-06-2022, 11:37 AM)Diana Wrote: I have been thinking about this thread and the question posed. I came up with a lot of questioning rather than answers.
I don't think it is simple.
very good question. this article provides a very good answer, it not only answered questions to virus/vaccine, but also to the whole problem in our 3D earth. but unfortunately it's in Chinese, for those interested, might want to use some translator to translate to English or any other language.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/TIdP3x0XniXoaGppt_H5Kg
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - MonadicSpectrum - 01-07-2022
Great questions, Diana. I think you are touching on the critical balance between love and wisdom as well as the proper use of power. Here are some of my thoughts on the matter.
I view love as not only accepting others as they are but also willing the good of others. I see willing as distinct from controlling. Willing is continuously taking actions to change something while simultaneously accepting when things don't change and respecting those who don't choose to change. Controlling is continuously taking action to change something while not accepting things that don't change and not respecting the free will of others. For example, someone might will to end animal suffering by educating others, building organizations to help animals in need, and building new ways of meeting the needs and desires of those who currently depend on animal suffering so they might freely choose to stop harming animals. Someone might control the end of animal suffering by punishing those who harm animals, manipulating others through propaganda and censorship, and bribing people to stop harming animals. Willing leads to sustainable and peaceful change while controlling requires sustained force to maintain itself and entails violence.
So I believe it is our honor/responsibility as humans to will the good of the Earth and all beings who live here. I believe that when we wander here, we are placed in a unique situation to will the course of history to change for the good in a way that is respectful of free will that was not accessible to us before becoming human and understanding the human perspective. For one who seeks change with power and wisdom is wise to also be mindful of integrating love.
Quote:The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.
The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.
https://www.lawofone.info/s/75#32
I also recommend this short sermon on how God integrates love, wisdom, and power with words from the ancient book of Wisdom and the requirement that "those who are just must be kind."
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - IndigoSalvia - 01-07-2022
(01-07-2022, 01:43 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Great questions, Diana. I think you are touching on the critical balance between love and wisdom as well as the proper use of power. Here are some of my thoughts on the matter.
I view love as not only accepting others as they are but also willing the good of others. I see willing as distinct from controlling. Willing is continuously taking actions to change something while simultaneously accepting when things don't change and respecting those who don't choose to change. Controlling is continuously taking action to change something while not accepting things that don't change and not respecting the free will of others.
How do you see these qualities playing out during the pandemic? How do you see us willing, as opposed to controlling? The controlling seems quite obvious, e.g., various mandates, and less obvious in other ways.
(01-07-2022, 01:43 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: For example, someone might will to end animal suffering by educating others, building organizations to help animals in need, and building new ways of meeting the needs and desires of those who currently depend on animal suffering so they might freely choose to stop harming animals. Someone might control the end of animal suffering by punishing those who harm animals, manipulating others through propaganda and censorship, and bribing people to stop harming animals. Willing leads to sustainable and peaceful change while controlling requires sustained force to maintain itself and entails violence.
This example is close to my heart so, for me, it's a powerful illustration. There is a fine line between love and control. And, I think it's similar to the line between STO and STS.
I love you and so, I wish you the best in whatever choice you make. versus I love you and so, I think you oughta choose this because it's the best way.
It can be confusing to sort these energies out (for me at least). But, I'm reminded that I can not know what resonates for another being, even those who are the most precious and close to me.
I explored my love. My own love often varies from mildly to heavily conditional. My expressions of love are distorted, and often, not unconditional: I have an expectation of a particular outcome. (And dear Ra has cautioned us about this.)
I asked myself then: do I have the capacity to truly and fully love unconditionally? I will continue to stretch my ability to do so: to love unconditionally. But, I also accept that here in veiled 3D as a human, my MBS may not be fully capable. And, this is what I was getting at in my post from earlier today: the difference between my human love, and my nascent ability to channel and radiate infinite, unconditional Love.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - MonadicSpectrum - 01-07-2022
Thank you, IndigoSalvia, for starting this thread and sharing your thoughts.
(01-07-2022, 05:34 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: How do you see these qualities playing out during the pandemic? How do you see us willing, as opposed to controlling? The controlling seems quite obvious, e.g., various mandates, and less obvious in other ways.
Yes, I think the pandemic is an excellent catalyst for people to learn the difference between willing and controlling. The pandemic is a very complicated situation with much deception across the spectrum of opinion. I think most people are wanting that everyone is protected from disease and life returns to some sense of normalcy. There are those who are controlling in order to achieve that goal with mandates, coercion, censorship, and manipulation. There are also those who are willing that everyone is free from that control.
Due to the amount of conflicting information, I also view it as most important to will that the truth become known to all whatever the truth is. Because even if we are willing or controlling our way to our goal, if we have false information, we might still be taking the wrong actions to take us to our goal or preventing that false information from being shown to be false. We can will the truth be known with freedom of speech, open discourse, collecting more data, being open-minded, and being kind to those who have different opinions to encourage more communication so everyone can work together to find the truth.
There is also another element to the pandemic, in my opinion, where there exists groups of people who don't have the goal of protecting people or returning life back to pre-pandemic functioning even though they claim that is their goal. They have goals such as gaining more money, more power, and more control over people's minds by controlling the flow of information. They seek to convince people that it is only through control that the pandemic problem will be solved in order to use them as a tool to establish a different kind of control. Many people naively assume that service-to-self individuals aren't willing to lie to this extent or take actions that would harm many people under the guise of helping.
There is also an aspect that willing is a long term solution while control is a short term solution. Those who are willing peace, joy, love, truth, harmony, and freedom for all take more time to build a long term foundation that can last millions of years while those who seek control often think in terms of centuries at most. Peace, joy, love, truth, harmony, and freedom are infinite structures while war, anger, fear, falsity, disharmony, and control are finite structures and cannot sustain. Because of this long term nature of willing and infinite structures, it can appear that the finite structures and control are more powerful, but one day they shall meet their end.
Here is an inspiration video on how the light has already won despite all appearances:
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - flofrog - 01-07-2022
Absolutely wonderful post Nomadic and totally agree. In the last few days I read a great article on how peaceful protests are so much more efficient. Violence is slowly edging its way out despite appearances.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - the - 01-07-2022
this video explained in other planet, how they turned this vax thing into positive.
SSP Alliance Update: Liberation of Micca's Planet & Hope for Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVTpUVp820
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - unity100 - 01-08-2022
Large amount of lessons are present in this pandemic. A sizable amount of people seem to be learning a lot. But a considerable number seem to be totally denying existing reality and going on 'belief'. Not so unlike traditional religions of unsupported dogmas and prophecies.
RE: any L&L from covid, vax? - tadeus - 01-11-2022
(01-08-2022, 03:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: Large amount of lessons are present in this pandemic. A sizable amount of people seem to be learning a lot. But a considerable number seem to be totally denying existing reality and going on 'belief'. Not so unlike traditional religions of unsupported dogmas and prophecies.
The reasons are psychological warfare