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Wisdom and Love - pat19989 - 12-14-2021
Hi everybody,
It has been awhile since I have posted, but I hope everyone is doing alright; I've missed you
I feel like one of the great struggles in my seeking is the balance between love and wisdom. Oftentimes when I am feeling more adept, I begin surrounding myself and even drowning myself in sources of spiritual/archetypical knowledge whether it be from Ra, Allan Watts, or most recently Carl Jung. As most of us probably do, I love reading about the metaphysical nature of our existence, but sometimes I feel like it leaves me with that pompous spiritual elitism that can be damaging in my relationships with people who do not share my passion for spiritual topics.
I understand this "distance" between myself and others to be a lapse of love, where my ego grasps at the concept of knowing everything while my heart is playing catch-up.
Do you guys ever catch yourselves in similar circumstances? What brings you back to the love of the moment and the beings around you?
RE: Wisdom and Love - FarAway - 12-14-2021
All the time Pat, I go all in meditation/study/practice. Get really far away from socializing. I want to find deep seekers too.
Sometimes I kinda force my self to socialize a bit with things I like. Like going on nature treks, still feel alienated from people but its good and healthy to interact with them.
What brings me back to love and inteaction is the realization they are me and I am them, and together we present each other with catalyst to grow, also its an opportunity to work on 3rd and 4rd ray blockages, interaction with 'other'selves and acceptance of them as they are.
RE: Wisdom and Love - IndigoSalvia - 12-14-2021
(12-14-2021, 12:23 PM)pat19989 Wrote: I feel like one of the great struggles in my seeking is the balance between love and wisdom. Oftentimes when I am feeling more adept, I begin surrounding myself and even drowning myself in sources of spiritual/archetypical knowledge whether it be from Ra, Allan Watts, or most recently Carl Jung. As most of us probably do, I love reading about the metaphysical nature of our existence, but sometimes I feel like it leaves me with that pompous spiritual elitism that can be damaging in my relationships with people who do not share my passion for spiritual topics.
I understand this "distance" between myself and others to be a lapse of love, where my ego grasps at the concept of knowing everything while my heart is playing catch-up.
Do you guys ever catch yourselves in similar circumstances? What brings you back to the love of the moment and the beings around you?
Can totally relate. I have been in a state of spiritual (more solitary) contemplation for the last several months. Consequently, I have flaked on a few social things with friends. I apologize to my friends and also honor my path.
I tend to see different spiritual meandering paths: mine (my facet, or coalesced energies, of the Creator/Creation) is calling me in one direction whereas others (my brother/sister facets) are calling to them/us in another direction. But we're all in it together. We're all working on evolving toward unity, just in different ways.
I too contemplate the balancing of Wisdom and Love. My energies ebb and flow between these two great forces; sometimes one is more pronounced, and sometimes it's the other.
Using Confederation lingo: sometimes I experience wisdom/love and other times, love/wisdom. Both are always there, but in a moment, one is more emphasized than the other (but not necessarily devoid of either). Alas, the great balancing act.
I sense both Love and Wisdom in your post. Words fail me as I'm fumbling for them. So, I'll leave it at this.
RE: Wisdom and Love - Patrick - 12-14-2021
I balance deep forays into spirituality with very mainstream and mundane things. Like going to movies, restaurants, hosting diner parties and playing video games. And of course, with my work as a computer programmer. During all of which I relate with people at the level they are comfortable with.
RE: Wisdom and Love - flofrog - 12-14-2021
Good to see you again Pat.
I balance too, but now that I am 74, I realize I am less voracious about reading anything which started with buddhist readings, as I started very early as one, and then grabbing all kinds of books. Jung was a really great friend, lol. I am now much more like, all right I shall never be able to read everything, lol, and have that very deep wisdom, and I d rather live more on the love side which means often deeper interaction with other selves. But I do need solitude when I get through some rough time, and I do believe, as of now, it s important to feel free to opt for more interaction, friends and so on, and then reverse to taking a step back. I think in the end we are all consciously or less, deeply guided and 'boosted' by love. Says the unwise frog
RE: Wisdom and Love - Diana - 12-15-2021
(12-14-2021, 12:23 PM)pat19989 Wrote: Do you guys ever catch yourselves in similar circumstances? What brings you back to the love of the moment and the beings around you?
In general: I spend a lot of time alone, working, and have for many years. I do not have to be around other beings in order to experience love in the moment. In my opinion, separation can manifest at any time, even and possibly most affectingly when one IS around other people. Love or oneness is an underlying principle that grows and permeates an entire existence, and seeps into the strata of life. I never feel alone while working, until a challenge arises such as some underdeveloped software or inadequate tutorial brings me into my logical mind and stresses me out. Otherwise I remain in a timeless and oneness state with what I am working on. Any artist will contest this phenomenon. So it is, in my opinion, the 3D social and societal aspects of living in this reality which create feelings of separation.
To your question specifically, the easiest way to bring me back to a feeling of oneness is to experience nature—walk outside around trees and plant life and wildlife, look at the sky and clouds. I also find that once in a while something I see makes an adjustment in my perception, such as seeing a homeless person. The idea here, I think, is to get out of box of self, and to extend awareness out and out to include all, without thinking about how things "out there" only affect self (this can be very difficult to recognize). Insects are a good way to exercise this idea—when you see a spider or ants in the house, what do you do?
RE: Wisdom and Love - IndigoSalvia - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 11:00 AM)Diana Wrote: In my opinion, separation can manifest at any time, even and possibly most affectingly when one IS around other people.
This statement resonates with me. I had really never thought about it like this, though, so thank you Diana. I typically feel drained when my social battery runs low. The more immersed I am in the 3D illusion, so to speak - being around 3D other-selves, interacting with all of our energies - I can easily slip into a sense of separation. I can 'hold' a sense of unity much easier from a bit of a distance.
RE: Wisdom and Love - pat19989 - 12-15-2021
(12-14-2021, 05:47 PM)Patrick Wrote: I balance deep forays into spirituality with very mainstream and mundane things. Like going to movies, restaurants, hosting diner parties and playing video games. And of course, with my work as a computer programmer. During all of which I relate with people at the level they are comfortable with.
There's nothing like reading about metaphysics for an hour and then going to a restaurant. I find restaurants to be one of the most difficult places to feel oneness because of the money/server interactions. In essence though, it is the sharing of a meal that is such a beautiful thing, must not let capital get in the way
RE: Wisdom and Love - Patrick - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 02:40 PM)pat19989 Wrote:(12-14-2021, 05:47 PM)Patrick Wrote: I balance deep forays into spirituality with very mainstream and mundane things. Like going to movies, restaurants, hosting diner parties and playing video games. And of course, with my work as a computer programmer. During all of which I relate with people at the level they are comfortable with.
There's nothing like reading about metaphysics for an hour and then going to a restaurant. I find restaurants to be one of the most difficult places to feel oneness because of the money/server interactions. In essence though, it is the sharing of a meal that is such a beautiful thing, must not let capital get in the way
Yes, even if I tip very well, I feel like I am participating in slavery. Because very often it feels like the waiter would prefer doing something else. When they are truly happy doing that job, I can feel it and it alleviates some of my qualms, but even then I still feel like it's wilful slavery somewhat. But that is part of accepting this planet the way it is and loving the experience it provides. Not always an easy proposal, but it gets easier with practice.
RE: Wisdom and Love - flofrog - 12-15-2021
I always wonder when I am in a restaurant how is the place where this waiter lives. I always end talking a lot with anyone who serves my meal. Weirdly enough it is perhaps the one part of going to a restaurant that I enjoy the most.
RE: Wisdom and Love - unity100 - 01-08-2022
There is wisdom in knowing that not everyone is interested in everything you are interested in, not everyone wants to get involved in everything that you are interested in, and you cannot talk everything with everyone.