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What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-11-2021
There is an inspirating video from Rupert Spira:
What do you think about his statements in the relation to the Law of One?
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 11:30 AM)Quincunx Wrote: I often observe things all around me to understand what it is that I could be looking at. I spend a lot of time in my bedroom staring at the wall past my computer screen. I have asked others if they have observed a grainy texture. None have been able to see this or understand what I am trying to say.
No - not a grainy texture, but it is something like Nero is seeing at the end in the matrix trilogy - the stuff / data the world is made of.
Not only the stuff / data of the fictional world, the stuff of any matter the real earth and everything is made of too.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - IndigoSalvia - 12-11-2021
Hmm, tadeus, interesting talk. My brain could barely hold it (if it even did). I could follow it cognitively, but experiencing it is a different matter altogether. It seemed to take me to a realm of pure consciousness beyond all of the 3D experiences that seem so vivid to my MBS.
In my contemplation of Law of One recently, I have been playing with the concept of Oneness. My understanding of Oneness is going to a place where my abilities become clumsy, and it's all pure speculation.
For instance, in reading most of Ra material in the past, I felt "ground underneath me" so to speak. I understood that I was made of the fabric (rough, impure though it was) of the Creator, and that I was, in some way, separate from the Creator. I could also see that Our collective being-ness (the Creator/Creation) could be in two different states: a) manifest/separate (the illusion of being a separate entity in a density), or b) un-manifest/unified. I had the distinct sense that I (3D version of me) was moving toward something that lay beyond me (and still do). (illusion of separation)
So, We (Creation) are the Creator, albeit in manifest, separate form. And the Creator is Us, albeit in unified, unmanifest form. Does it have to be that We are in either one state or the other? Could We (the 1ICC) be in both simultaneously (both/and, instead of either/or)?
That called me to explore the terms STO and STS. Those terms themselves reinforce a nature of separateness with the use of "others" and "self." And, that had given me comfort, something I could grasp. But, then I lost my firm grasp on separateness.
If I see that, in truth, We are one and infinite - both the Creator and the Creation - where do I find myself? There is no "other" as different from "self"? Huh? Well, then, is there both a whole perspective and an infinite parts perspective? How do I (3D me) serve the whole, the part(s)? The distinctions started to break down, or I lost my grasp on them. In a sense, all of it is "knowing Ourself."
The visual I got is an infinitely-faceted diamond of light/energy. We are both the one, whole diamond (= the Creator) and a collective of infinite facets (= the Creation). In this light/energy diamond, we can be seen to be having both experiences - manifest and un-manifest, or separation and unity - simultaneously. Energy coalesces or repels as it will. This illustrates the Creator knowing itself as the Creation. (Here, I asked myself, what is the purpose of the Creator knowing itself?)
When I zoom in on my 3D self, and all of the perceived other-selves here with me, I can see us as 'expressed' or 'coalesced' facets of the One-ness that we also are.
When I zoom out on our One-ness, and view Us as One, infinitely-faceted being of energy, I see lots of other 1ICCs, our siblings, which coalesce together and repel into separateness. Our 1ICC is like an atom within an infinite ocean of atoms. It (the energy) can "separate" and "unify" via attraction/repulsion.
I find myself lost to make sense of it all. I am confused because I feel both separation and unity when I contemplate Law of One. Being 3D, I am more comfortable (in the sense that I can grasp it) in a state of separation. Yet, part of my consciousness seems to gravitate toward sensing a state of unity, but I can't hold it there, I can't stay and "be" there, if that makes any sense. Perhaps this is my sensation of the veil that I'm running into?
I have found myself in a terrain of both this (separation) and that (one-ness), and here more questions arise in me. It's confusing and invigorating.
Here's an excerpt from Q'uo: https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2021/1105
Quote:Q'uo: You have within your own being the completed essence of the One Creator that gives you the impetus to move in a fashion which uses polarity for a certain amount of what you would call time. As you experience the ascending progress through each of the densities of love and light, there is for each entity the appearance of polarity that might be utilized in a certain fashion to accelerate this journey.
Rather than resting within the inner planes of all creation, this is a journey which you have consciously chosen to take, to see, and feel, and be the One Creator that you so ardently seek when you are within the polarized realms of experience. This is a process that has a certain rhythm to it so that you are able to move your mind, your body, and your spirit in a certain fashion that allows you to become part of the illusion of separation that is, in truth, only a means towards an end of giving the One Infinite Creator more and more ways in which, it might experience Itself and know Itself through all of your actions, your choices, your thoughts, and your very being.
This is a noble journey that you make to feel, and see, and be the individualized portion of the One Creator which has the ability to experience the illusion of clarity, the illusion of separation. We call these the illusion, for in truth, as you are now and have always been, you are the One Creator who has this infinite ability to give meaning to any choice that you may make upon your spiritual path. All of these choices are means by which you come to know more and more. The nature of the One Creator as being unity. The quality of all of the creation that this One Creator has created in order that it might through each of you dance to the tune of seeming separation, and then become more and more aware of the unity of all things as the dance continues through each ascending density. This is the play. This is the dance. This is the experience of the One, in each portion of its beingness, that each of you represent as you move upon your spiritual path in each ascending level of experience.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - flofrog - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 12:24 PM)Quincunx Wrote:(12-11-2021, 11:44 AM)tadeus Wrote:(12-11-2021, 11:30 AM)Quincunx Wrote: I often observe things all around me to understand what it is that I could be looking at. I spend a lot of time in my bedroom staring at the wall past my computer screen. I have asked others if they have observed a grainy texture. None have been able to see this or understand what I am trying to say.
No - not a grainy texture, but it is something like Nero is seeing at the end in the matrix trilogy - the stuff / data the world is made of.
Not only the stuff / data of the fictional world, the stuff of any matter the real earth and everything is made of too.
I think I understand what you are referring to. Let's try another observation that is somewhat related. Go outside and look up at a clear blue sky. Are you able to see something moving? It should appear as specks of white light but with no order. Give your eyes time to adjust. This may or may not be seen immediately. It is your free will to understand what you may be observing.
Quincunx,
this is what I have observed : Any time I am in a forest I now see this sort of ballet of particles all around. I see that too for example inside house if I look down towards the trim were floor meets wall, and particularly well if some heat is on.
I love love watching this outside in a forest, around trees... So I dont know if this relates to what you see, but it feels to me it might..
RE: What is beyond oneness? - IndigoSalvia - 12-11-2021
Ha ha, well, I apparently took this thread in a very different direction.
(I responded to the question, "What is beyond oneness?") I don't recall having the experience that y'all describe. But I have noticed recently a few occasions where I see a faint glow around stuff, mostly people. Having never experienced this before, I usually blink.
I also understood the video in a metaphorical way.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - Sacred Fool - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 09:20 AM)tadeus Wrote: What do you think about his statements in the relation to the Law of One?
As I view it, Ra avoids a didactic, how-to approach and simply brings these concepts in from time time as they relate to questions asked. Ra's idea that chakras 1-4 are relational came up recently in another thread and would apply here. What the speaker is describing is the experience of non-relational consciousness, i.e., consciousness experienced as being wholly from within the perceptual field. So, sight is informational input, but the essence of it is what your imagination makes of it. We all know this to some degree, but he's describing a disciplined state of not leaving that posture of regarding all as, if you will, distortions of consciousness.
This is not the case, let's say, on the level of yellow ray consciousness where without other beings there is no experience of social relations. On the red ray level, if there is no external reality, then there is no question of existence or security/insecurity.
I wouldn't call it "beyond oneness" because that term is a bit ambiguous, but "non-relational," which is probably non-comprehensible. Take your pick.
One thing he leaves out is that in order to appreciate that state, the lower energy centers need to be pliable and healthy ("balanced," in the Ra vernacular) or else that expanded state will not be supported by them. It's a bit like piling up different shaped stones one atop the next. Each one needs to be well seated in order to support the added stress of the next level being added.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - MonadicSpectrum - 12-12-2021
Nice video, thanks for sharing. It reminds me of this song featuring Alan Watts: https://youtu.be/luQSQuCHtcI
@Quincunx, I, too, experience the white sparkles when I look at the blue sky and the grainy texture when viewing plain walls. I first saw them a couple years ago, and I also have experiences of text changing colors and glowing lines appearing between the lines of text.
For those interested in learning how to perceive vibrations of consciousness directly instead of perceiving them through the filter of the external physical world interpretation, you may find value in a book I wrote called The Dance of Love and Light: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087F5XJLB/
RE: What is beyond oneness? - flofrog - 12-12-2021
(12-11-2021, 05:12 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Ha ha, well, I apparently took the talk in a very different way.
I don't recall having the experience that y'all describe. But I have noticed recently a few occasions where I see a faint glow around stuff, mostly people. Having never experienced this before, I usually blink.
IndigoSalvia, I wonder if you are not just seeing the auric halo... lol
For example you could try this at night. Have only one light on, much like those little reading lamps that exist so you can read at night without waking up someone else. Under the lamp, place your hands on a dark back ground, like for example the black bag of a tablet, then make your fingers of each hand face each other at like an inch distance, and move a hand up and down around the other hand you may easily see a halo around each fingers sort joining both hands even though hands dont touch each other, it s a lot of fun.
if you do that a few times then you will catch that halo around everything : objects, plants etc... so much fun and quite beautiful too
RE: What is beyond oneness? - IndigoSalvia - 12-12-2021
Yes, flofrog, this is what I've been seeing ... just a faint glow. I literally don't believe my eyes because I have never experienced this before, up until very recently. I've never tried that experiment so will try.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-11-2021, 12:24 PM)Quincunx Wrote: I think I understand what you are referring to. Let's try another observation that is somewhat related. Go outside and look up at a clear blue sky. Are you able to see something moving? It should appear as specks of white light but with no order. Give your eyes time to adjust. This may or may not be seen immediately. It is your free will to understand what you may be observing.
We nearly never have a clear blue sky any more.
Often there are 'things' at the edge of visibility and when you try to focus on it they are gone.
What i talk about the "stuff of any matter the real earth and everything is made of" then it is more a seeing without thinking.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-11-2021, 03:36 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: It seemed to take me to a realm of pure consciousness beyond all of the 3D experiences that seem so vivid to my MBS.
I could also see that Our collective being-ness (the Creator/Creation) could be in two different states:
a) manifest/separate (the illusion of being a separate entity in a density), or
b) un-manifest/unified.
I had the distinct sense that I (3D version of me) was moving toward something that lay beyond me (and still do). (illusion of separation)
That's a nice description that's fit.
(12-11-2021, 03:36 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Does it have to be that We are in either one state or the other? Could We (the 1ICC) be in both simultaneously (both/and, instead of either/or)?
It seems that we can only choose the perspective / point of view of a painting that is to big to catch it at once.
(12-11-2021, 03:36 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: If I see that, in truth, We are one and infinite - both the Creator and the Creation - where do I find myself?
There is no "other" as different from "self"? Huh?
Well, then, is there both a whole perspective and an infinite parts perspective?
How do I (3D me) serve the whole, the part(s)? The distinctions started to break down, or I lost my grasp on them. In a sense, all of it is "knowing Ourself."
I would say we find the self in our individual point of view, that is different from the group consciousness.
That's our free will.
(12-11-2021, 03:36 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: When I zoom in on my 3D self, and all of the perceived other-selves here with me, I can see us as 'expressed' or 'coalesced' facets of the One-ness that we also are.
When I zoom out on our One-ness, and view Us as One, infinitely-faceted being of energy, I see lots of other 1ICCs, our siblings, which coalesce together and repel into separateness. Our 1ICC is like an atom within an infinite ocean of atoms. It (the energy) can "separate" and "unify" via attraction/repulsion.
That's really nice.
At least we must feel lost, to have a reason to go (back) in unity with the One Creator.
Between we should enjoy the "dance to the tune of seeming separation" as Q'uo has suggested.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-11-2021, 05:12 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Ha ha, well, I apparently took this thread in a very different direction.
Yes - but this is a inspiring question to offer individual facets what could be beyond of oneness.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-11-2021, 10:34 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: As I view it, Ra avoids a didactic, how-to approach and simply brings these concepts in from time time as they relate to questions asked.
Yes - that's why we should find our own way to discover everything.
(12-11-2021, 10:34 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: I wouldn't call it "beyond oneness" because that term is a bit ambiguous, but "non-relational," which is probably non-comprehensible. Take your pick.
I agree, but "non-relational" is very abstract.
Maybe we should ask "Can you perceive something beyond the oneness" ?
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-12-2021, 03:33 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Nice video, thanks for sharing. It reminds me of this song featuring Alan Watts: https://youtu.be/luQSQuCHtcI
That's an interesting Songtext
Quote:Overthinker Songtext
A person who thinks all the time
Has nothing to think about except thoughts
So... he loses touch with reality
And lives in a world of illusions
By thoughts I mean specifically, Chatter in the skull
Perpetual and compulsive repetition
of words, of reckoning and calculating
I'm not saying that thinking is bad
Like everybody else
It's useful in moderation
A good servant, but a bad master
And all civilized peoples
Have increasingly become crazy and self destructive
Because through excessive thinking
The have lost touch with reality
That to say...
We confuse signs
With the real world...
This is the beginning of meditation
Most of us would have
Rather money than tangible wealth
And a great occasion is somehow spoiled for us unless photographed
And to read about it the next day in the newspaper
Is oddly more fun for us than the original event
This is a disaster...
For as a result of confusing the real world of nature with mere signs
We are destroying nature
We are so tied up in our minds that we've lost our senses
Time to wake up
What is reality?
Obviously... no one can say
Because it isn't words
It isn't material, that's just an idea
Reality is...
The point cannot be explained in words
Im not trying to put you down
It's an expression of you as you are
One must live...
We need to survive to go on...
We must go on.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-15-2021
(12-12-2021, 03:09 PM)flofrog Wrote: For example you could try this at night. Have only one light on, much like those little reading lamps that exist so you can read at night without waking up someone else. Under the lamp, place your hands on a dark back ground, like for example the black bag of a tablet, then make your fingers of each hand face each other at like an inch distance, and move a hand up and down around the other hand you may easily see a halo around each fingers sort joining both hands even though hands dont touch each other, it s a lot of fun.
if you do that a few times then you will catch that halo around everything : objects, plants etc... so much fun and quite beautiful too
That sounds very interesting and nice.
It seems my 'preincarnatic contract' does not include to have such visualizations.
But i have sometimes moments where i can smell things that are not 'really' existent - i don't the correct wording for it.
Smelling something gives a complete bouquet of associations and feelings.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - Patrick - 12-15-2021
Then, beyond oneness we have separation. Because starting from Oneness, any attempts at any "beyond" is just yet another separation, another distortion away from Oneness.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - flofrog - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 09:16 AM)tadeus Wrote: That sounds very interesting and nice.
It seems my 'preincarnatic contract' does not include to have such visualizations.
But i have sometimes moments where i can smell things that are not 'really' existent - i don't the correct wording for it.
Smelling something gives a complete bouquet of associations and feelings.
Smells are so interesting. When we as a family moved about thirty years ago, I started to smell the perfume of my mother in one specific place, just inside the house after the front door. She had passed away like seven years before, it was pretty wild to smell her perfume.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-16-2021
(12-15-2021, 09:32 AM)Patrick Wrote: Then, beyond oneness we have separation. Because starting from Oneness, any attempts at any "beyond" is just yet another separation, another distortion away from Oneness.
Yes - that makes sense and is conform with the hermetic principles of rhythm (5) and vibration (3).
What Ra could not say is what is beyond this octave.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-16-2021
(12-15-2021, 01:27 PM)Quincunx Wrote: I see that you are German. I don't know what the german translation is for the english word clairalience but it basically translates to clear smelling. I occasionally have this happen. I will smell as if someone is smoking a cigarette in my bedroom when no one in the house does such a thing. I have also smelled cheese, bubblegum and chocolate at random moments. I was curious what these things could mean from a psychic perspective. I found dream dictionaries online that defined what these experienced smells mean.
Thanks - indeed i could not find an translation for the word clairalience.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clairalience
Etymology
From late 17th century French clair (“clear”) + alience (“smelling”)
clairalience
It's always a pleasure to know that there is another self with the same experience.
I expereince mostly complex smells that are composed of many basic smells like the smell of a moldy cellar outside in the nature.
So this clairalience takes me into a 'smelling vision' of another place.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - tadeus - 12-16-2021
(12-15-2021, 05:27 PM)flofrog Wrote: Smells are so interesting. When we as a family moved about thirty years ago, I started to smell the perfume of my mother in one specific place, just inside the house after the front door. She had passed away like seven years before, it was pretty wild to smell her perfume.
Yes - a really good example.
It is very interesting that you have so many parallel abilities of perception.
RE: What is beyond oneness? - unity100 - 01-08-2022
(12-11-2021, 11:30 AM)Quincunx Wrote: grainy texture. None have been able to see this or understand what I am trying to say. Look up "visual snow".
It can be seen in certain moments during deep meditation. Its likely not the actual medical condition.
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What is beyond oneness is an infinte sea whose waves increasingly harmonize and become hard to notice. Just like that grainy texture.