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What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - ANGEL - 06-29-2021
Do any of you know what our bodies look like in the higher dimensions? Also, what about emotions? Do we lose our emotion as we progress? I remember seeing communication with one person who said they were part of the nine who sat on the counsel of Saturn and he did not remember emotion at all. That sounds reasonable if you are progressing on the negative path but I can't imagine those on the counsel would be negative path entities. Anyone have any specifics on this please??
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - pat19989 - 06-29-2021
Just stumbled across this passage while reading LOO Book V, thought it was at least tangentially related. To my understanding, in higher densities our selves experience more of time/space and less of space/time compared to our current 3rd experience.
The Law of One, Book V, Fragment 40
"Questioner: When you say you searched for this group what do you mean? What was your process of search? I ask this question to understand more the illusion of time and space.
Ra: I am Ra. Consider the process of one who sees the spectrograph of some complex of elements. It is a complex paint sample, let us say for ease of description. We of Ra knew the needed elements for communication which had any chance of enduring. We compared our color chip to many individuals and groups over a long span of your time. Your spectrograph matches our sample.
In response to your desire to see the relationship betwixt space/time and time/space, may we say that we conducted this search in time/space, for in this illusion one may quite readily see entities as vibratory complexes and groups as harmonics within vibratory complexes."
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Infinite - 07-01-2021
That's in the material. In fourth density the body shape proceed the heritages of second density. In fifth density the body shape is totally under the control of thought, so any shape can be taken.
About emotions, basing myself on LOO it seems to me that besides love, the only emotion that exists in higher densities is sadness for the suffering of third density.
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In my view Ra was talking more about "race" than body shape. I have noticed that third density entities are able to alter traces of their physical form through audios or exercises that access portions of the unconscious mind. This ability has been called biokinesis and probably has something to do with Ra said here:
Quote:83.20 QUESTIONER Would you give me an example of a complex activity of the body that we have now and how it was not complex prior to the veil?
RA I am Ra. Prior to the great experiment a mind/body/spirit was capable of controlling the pressure of blood in the vein, the beating of the organ you call the heart, the intensity of the sensation known to you as pain, and all the functions now understood to be involuntary or unconscious.
That is, the veil separates the conscious mind from the unconscious mind. Through access to the unconscious mind we can control biological processes that are now involuntary. That must be the root of biokinesis.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Anders - 07-01-2021
I believe that there is always the possibility of having a physical body even in higher densities. Otherwise it would be a more flimsy reality. And actually I think that our third density world is the same as higher densities and it's just that our reality is limited by a veil.
Jesus teleported into his disciples' house after his resurrection and said to Thomas: "put your finger here" to show him that Jesus had a solid physical body. It seems that Jesus even shapeshifted his body since at some place(s) in the Bible people didn't recognize him.
So, energy bodies that can shapeshift into all kinds of shapes, yes I believe that's possible in higher densities. And if I remember correctly Ra even mentions how they can take physical form. And the higher the density, the more advanced shapeshifting and tranformation capacity of the body probably. For example I think that in early fourth density we can only alter our bodies a little bit and then in late fourth density we will be able to shapeshift between male and female form but I suspect that it will still be in human form. In fifth and higher densities we will be able to turn our bodies into more advanced forms I think.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - omcasey - 07-01-2021
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RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - ANGEL - 07-02-2021
Thank you all for your responses. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "second density heritage", except perhaps meaning a return to animal form. Regardless, of the possibility of being able to shape-shift our bodies into any form we wish, to me this being a mere possibility is a deal breaker for me.
As far as emotions are concerned, if there is Love there is all emotion. All feelings or emotions stem from the one which is indeed love. This is not merely a concept of thought, nor is it a solely spiritual concept. This is the greatest power in the universe and it is made manifest in this physical form. To feel the touch of your lover, to taste and smell that lover and then to become one in the body, mind and soul, in my personal truth has got to be the pen ultimate experience we could ever hope to achieve. I will not spend my gift of physical existence trying to reach any realm but the one I find myself in. I sure as heck will never give up wanting to be a fully integrated whole HUMAN being.
Until God himself tells me personally when me and my lover stand before him in sexual physical union of love that I must move into some other dimension im not trying to ascend into spirit. I don't want to be a star or sun or celestial planetary body, no offense Gaia, you are very beautiful indeed. I don't want to remain only spirit, and collective mind. I want to feel my arms wrapped around God and around babies and children and brothers and sisters. I want to be human and feel everything, including pain well maybe not alot of pain. Lol
This to me feels wrong and stupid. Of course perhaps this is because I am bipolar and though difficult, I can indeed see the utter beauty in feeling so intensely. A world without feelings is a complete nightmare. Omg I can barely breathe just entertaining the thought for a second. I know loving hurts deep sometimes but come on now, who can not see its beauty and fulfillment... even if you're only able to imagine it through fantasy. It far outweighs any satisfaction you can get by some temporary power over others. You know that and so do the negative. Their pride keeps them from admitting this universal truth. All of us know this and all they prove is well ... I'll let you finish the sentence. I'll give you a hint... the answer is hardly superiority and the opposite of courage. I know that sounds judgemental but to be honest here, it's not. Its truth and a universal truth at that. I swear I don't mean to offend but hello... if you are here then you think that possibly this material has some truth. Therefore we are approaching 75 thousand years of experience and pain. Get over yourself and love already. You know you want it. Kick fears ass for heaven sake and take a chance again. How's it working for ya?? Stay in hate mode. Its your choice.
This is my opinion of course...take what resonates and leave the rest behind ya. Remember, reflection is key to evolution. Do not deny any desires of the heart, but in doing so realize that some of the desires should only be acted upon in the mind. If you want to be a God this wisdom is elementary my dear Watson. If transcendence from the physical realm is where your heart lies go be spirit. Just be love and certainly you can not do worse than that.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - tadeus - 07-03-2021
(06-29-2021, 08:23 AM)ANGEL Wrote: Do any of you know what our bodies look like in the higher dimensions? Also, what about emotions? Do we lose our emotion as we progress? I remember seeing communication with one person who said they were part of the nine who sat on the counsel of Saturn and he did not remember emotion at all. That sounds reasonable if you are progressing on the negative path but I can't imagine those on the counsel would be negative path entities. Anyone have any specifics on this please??
You confuse this with Spock from vulcan.
Our higher self seems to be made of emotions and our physical brain gives us the possibility to experience logical thinking and the ego.
So the question for me is more how thinking will be realized in higher dimensions?
The shape of our "body" could be simply affirmative by our free willing.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - tadeus - 07-03-2021
(07-01-2021, 11:02 AM)Anders Wrote: I believe that there is always the possibility of having a physical body even in higher densities. Otherwise it would be a more flimsy reality. And actually I think that our third density world is the same as higher densities and it's just that our reality is limited by a veil.
Jesus teleported into his disciples' house after his resurrection and said to Thomas: "put your finger here" to show him that Jesus had a solid physical body. It seems that Jesus even shapeshifted his body since at some place(s) in the Bible people didn't recognize him.
Yes - so having a body is a choice - when there is a sense for it.
At this space / time / density it is a needful instrument for learning.
But i can imagine that this could be different in higher densities.
There are extended stories of teleportation in the books from Baird T. Spalding.
So having a human body is the choice of Jehoshua and others to help the human beings on earth.
Understanding the LOO in a deep way seems to enable to make whatever you want with the matter of your body.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Anders - 07-03-2021
@tadeus Physical reality is also I think as Mark Passio said where the rubber meets the road. So I think physical reality remains the ground of reality even in higher densities.
Of course, in higher densities physical reality is much more advanced. For example the Great Pyramid at Giza was according to Ra zapped into existence using thought! The pyramid is made of everlasting rock. So even Ra puts importance to physical reality. There was also a question in the Law of One about how having the faith of a mustard seed will make us able to make a mountain jump into the sea, literally! And Ra said that yes, that's doable. However it requires an advanced coordination of minds in order to achieve monumental things like that.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - ThoughtDNA - 07-03-2021
(07-01-2021, 11:02 AM)Anders Wrote: I believe that there is always the possibility of having a physical body even in higher densities. Otherwise it would be a more flimsy reality. And actually I think that our third density world is the same as higher densities and it's just that our reality is limited by a veil.
Jesus teleported into his disciples' house after his resurrection and said to Thomas: "put your finger here" to show him that Jesus had a solid physical body. It seems that Jesus even shapeshifted his body since at some place(s) in the Bible people didn't recognize him.
So, energy bodies that can shapeshift into all kinds of shapes, yes I believe that's possible in higher densities. And if I remember correctly Ra even mentions how they can take physical form. And the higher the density, the more advanced shapeshifting and tranformation capacity of the body probably. For example I think that in early fourth density we can only alter our bodies a little bit and then in late fourth density we will be able to shapeshift between male and female form but I suspect that it will still be in human form. In fifth and higher densities we will be able to turn our bodies into more advanced forms I think.
I wouldnt start creating distortions regarding 'jesus'. Jesus is a thought/idea, that is represented as symbols of astrology/astronomy.
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RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Anders - 07-03-2021
(07-03-2021, 09:42 PM)ThoughtDNA Wrote: I wouldnt start creating distortions regarding 'jesus'. Jesus is a thought/idea, that is represented as symbols of astrology/astronomy.
I recently heard that Jesus was very similar to Dionysus. Did Jesus exist as a historical person? I don't know, but I think the Bible points to truths. And I also find a difference between Christ as a principle and Jesus as a person. Christ as I see it is the Word made manifested. In one of the Law of One sessions they have the Bible opened to John, chapter 1 where the Word is described as having created everything. And somewhere else in the Bible Jesus said something like: truly I tell you, before Abraham was born I am.
If Jesus as a person is just a metaphor then I still think it describes higher density possibilities, such as controlling gravity by walking on water and manifesting bread out of thin air. Remember, Ra created the entire Great Pyramid at Giza out of thin air through thought.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - jafar - 07-03-2021
(06-29-2021, 08:23 AM)ANGEL Wrote: Do any of you know what our bodies look like in the higher dimensions? Also, what about emotions? Do we lose our emotion as we progress? I remember seeing communication with one person who said they were part of the nine who sat on the counsel of Saturn and he did not remember emotion at all. That sounds reasonable if you are progressing on the negative path but I can't imagine those on the counsel would be negative path entities. Anyone have any specifics on this please??
what our bodies look like in the higher dimensions
The question is intriguing, especially on the highlighted part.
First part, "Our", given the entire fiasco is basically a game of 'identities', as per Law of One, which I tend to agree.
The word "Our" or "I" or "Me", which is a statement of identification will be relatively more loosely defined in higher dimension, as evolving higher here it means becoming closer back to the ultimate identification, that everything and everyone is Me. Ultimately there is only 1 Me, 1 I.
But the short answer might be: "our" bodies will have varying degree of appearances.
Second part "Look Like", it goes back to eye of the beholder, the one who is experiencing.
As even now how we 'look like' might have varying degree of appearances. How 'something' look like is actually constructed within the mind of the one experiencing that 'something'.
jafar, for example is a webforum avatar.
jafar is one of my body, a part of me, a body among many bodies, an identification among many identification. A virtual construct which contain a consciousness inside.
How jafar look like might have varying degree of appearances depending on the one who is experiencing jafar. Plus there's already a feature on this webforum universe to attach an 'identifying image' which allow the consciousness behind jafar to put any image and change the image as often as it wants.
Any appearances that appears in the mind of the one who is experiencing jafar, all are valid and true.
Thus the answer is the same: "our" bodies will have varying degree of appearances.
Next about emotion.
We don't 'lose' any emotion, on the contrary we gained so many other emotions, the emotions that currently 'lost' due to the veil of forgetting. And through experiencing those variety of emotions we learn on how to properly balanced it. Fear has been properly balanced with courage, hatred properly balanced with love etc.. Thus an outburst of emotion in one extreme of polarity (such as fear, anxiety, anger) will be very rarely being expressed, if not never.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - ThoughtDNA - 07-04-2021
(07-03-2021, 10:59 PM)Anders Wrote:(07-03-2021, 09:42 PM)ThoughtDNA Wrote: I wouldnt start creating distortions regarding 'jesus'. Jesus is a thought/idea, that is represented as symbols of astrology/astronomy.
I recently heard that Jesus was very similar to Dionysus. Did Jesus exist as a historical person? I don't know, but I think the Bible points to truths. And I also find a difference between Christ as a principle and Jesus as a person. Christ as I see it is the Word made manifested. In one of the Law of One sessions they have the Bible opened to John, chapter 1 where the Word is described as having created everything. And somewhere else in the Bible Jesus said something like: truly I tell you, before Abraham was born I am.
If Jesus as a person is just a metaphor then I still think it describes higher density possibilities, such as controlling gravity by walking on water and manifesting bread out of thin air. Remember, Ra created the entire Great Pyramid at Giza out of thin air through thought.
Correct.
Jesus is a 4th density manifestation of consciousness. It is in my belief that, in the Great Year, there are great months. We are at the last great month of the great year. I.e Age of Aquarius. This coincides with Ra referring to the 75,000 year periods segmented by 25,000 years. 25,000 years is a grand year.
Each great month is 2160 years or so. At each shift of era, i believe consciousness portal opens up that allows 4th density manifestation, to bring light to the veil of the 3rd density.
I think there are particular planetary conjunctions that occur, for example start of this year was the first in maybe a 1,000 year where all the planets including the moon were in solar conjunction. These periods signify start/end of Era and a coming of 4th density. Ra mentions that this cycle (this 75,000 years) we are at the end and the planet as a whole is shifting to 4th density, this is depicted in my view as the Internet.
Also, according to Matias on his show Initiation on Gaia, he explains that how the pyramids and the megalithic structures were created/moved were using sound technology, such as vibration that allows reconfiguration of the molecular structure of stone, and allows the levitation. I believe the instructions on how were shown by many extra-terrestrial races.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - tadeus - 07-04-2021
(07-03-2021, 11:08 AM)Anders Wrote: @tadeus Physical reality is also I think as Mark Passio said where the rubber meets the road. So I think physical reality remains the ground of reality even in higher densities.
Of course, in higher densities physical reality is much more advanced. For example the Great Pyramid at Giza was according to Ra zapped into existence using thought! The pyramid is made of everlasting rock. So even Ra puts importance to physical reality. There was also a question in the Law of One about how having the faith of a mustard seed will make us able to make a mountain jump into the sea, literally! And Ra said that yes, that's doable. However it requires an advanced coordination of minds in order to achieve monumental things like that.
I think the difference is the same like realizing a house only in your thoughts or building it material and go in it.
This would answer the question why this physical illusion is so interesting for entities that exist immaterial.
When i remember correct, Ra has described two different ways of "building" things.
The Pyramid of Giza was build by manifestation.
Other buildings where built with "solicit" stone / first density to move and alter it's form.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - tadeus - 07-04-2021
(07-03-2021, 09:42 PM)ThoughtDNA Wrote: I wouldnt start creating distortions regarding 'jesus'. Jesus is a thought/idea, that is represented as symbols of astrology/astronomy.
Here is a nice quote from the book Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spalding:
Quote:Emil said, “Right here comes the suggestion that has led to the idolatry of the past. Men sought
to grave in wood or stone, gold, silver or brass the image of that which they idealized but any
idol can only imperfectly picture the ideal. The image, the idol, is no sooner formed than men
become conscious that the ideal surpasses the idol and they are shown that they must gaze upon
love and idealize for themselves that which they wish to bring forth from the within, instead of
graving any idol in outer form of the ideal they would express. A later form of idolatry is to
idealize the personality of the one who expresses our ideal. We should idealize the ideal which
he expresses and not the personality which expresses it. This is true even of so great a person as
Jesus. Thus, Jesus chose to go away when He saw the people were idealizing His personality
instead of the ideal which He represented. They sought to make Him their King, only realizing
that He could supply them with every outer need, not recognizing that they within themselves
had the power to supply their every need and that this they must do, as He, Himself, had done.
He said, `It is expedient that I go away for if I do not go, the Comforter will not come,’ meaning
that as long as they looked to His personality they would not recognize their own powers. For
they must look within, within their very selves.
“Another may teach or tell you, but you of yourselves must do the work, for if you look to
another, you build the idol instead of bringing forth the ideal.”
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Anders - 07-04-2021
(07-04-2021, 01:52 AM)ThoughtDNA Wrote: Also, according to Matias on his show Initiation on Gaia, he explains that how the pyramids and the megalithic structures were created/moved were using sound technology, such as vibration that allows reconfiguration of the molecular structure of stone, and allows the levitation.
That sounds (pun unintended) like low tech. Like third density technology. Ra used 6th density technology and used thought. It may sound incredible that thought can manifest physical objects but I believe it's just because third density reality is so incredibly limited.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - ThoughtDNA - 07-04-2021
(07-04-2021, 08:12 AM)Anders Wrote:(07-04-2021, 01:52 AM)ThoughtDNA Wrote: Also, according to Matias on his show Initiation on Gaia, he explains that how the pyramids and the megalithic structures were created/moved were using sound technology, such as vibration that allows reconfiguration of the molecular structure of stone, and allows the levitation.
That sounds (pun unintended) like low tech. Like third density technology. Ra used 6th density technology and used thought. It may sound incredible that thought can manifest physical objects but I believe it's just because third density reality is so incredibly limited.
I think the term thought or thought-forms are taken a little to literal. Used 6th density technology? Technology is relative right. At the time of Atlantis, technology, in terms of end goal, was on par with now. except the evolutionary probability branch went down a different path.
Low tech? that is also relative based on our current understanding that went through this probability branch. you cant make that distinction.
Providing the know-how to a 3rd density being, i.e the technology was 'channelled' through a 3rd density being. It was translated. The human vehicle is a complete canvas and is able to adapt and do anything depending on the constructs of reality it is born into <- which becomes the limiting factor or boundaries of our reach.
Being able to rearrange atomic structure could be a 6th density technology (i doubt it, because 'technology' at that level isnt what we would call technology) transmuted via a channel that filtered down/collapsed into concepts that could be used by a 3rd density vehicle that has YET to journey through Time to acquire this information via the virtue of free will (figuring it out entirely on by ourselves).
So,
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - Anders - 07-04-2021
@ThoughtDNA I have heard several spiritual teachers talking about the danger of transhumanism. That's physical technology in contrast to technology based on consciousness. Even Steven Greer has talked about how advanced ETs use technology connected to consciousness and their spaceships can materialize out of the zero point energy of "empty" space.
Then what about aging of the physical body? Transhumanists seek to remove aging through technologies like biotech and nanotech. I have come to suspect that the transhumanist path is to be stuck in third density, like what spiritual teachers have said.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - tadeus - 07-11-2021
Yesterday i accidentally found this channeling, touching the theme of this thread:
Saturday Meditation May 20, 2017
Quote:Y: I have a follow-up to the previous question, please. Would you be able to give us a physical description of beings that were representative of Ra when they visited Earth, and interacted with human beings in the Egypt area, and maybe some other areas? What did they look like?
Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. When those of Ra felt the call to walk among the Egyptians 11,000 of your years ago, they felt it was necessary to attempt to match, as much as possible, the forms of the entities that they would be engaging with on a daily basis, for if they had come in their normal form at that time, it would simply have been perceived as light; for the seeker of truth, eventually, within the sixth density not only seeks the light successfully, but becomes that which it has sought. Thus, those of Ra formed their bodies to resemble those of the Egyptians. However, they were somewhat taller and had a more golden luster to the integument or skin of their bodies. Thus, both their bodies and their message seemed to provide a means by which the Egyptian cultures were unable to clearly perceive the message of the Law of One, and worshipped those of Ra instead of seeing them as their brothers and sisters. Thus, the stay with the Egyptians was somewhat short, shall we say.
RE: What body shape do we have in higher dimensions? - unity100 - 08-07-2021
The shape of 4d bodies were told to be bipedal. This means they will likely evolve from existing 3d bodies and resemble them, but they will be lighter.
5d bodies were told to be light bodies which could take the appearance of whatever they wanted to. This means there is a core of that body, but what shape or format it takes was not detailed.
6d bodies were described as light again, but with a golden circle around it. However 6d bodies become what they want to become, instead of just projecting an appearance, so its hard to say if they have an actual shape. Likely not.
mysterious 7d and higher bodies were not explained so much. However we know that 7d is pretty fluid.