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Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-25-2021
Ra stated that most wanderers never wake up to being one, and their service to the planet through natural radiation through the spirit complex is enough to preserve their polarity. My question is, are wanderers' polarity secure if they don't pursue the STS path to harvestability? The reason why I'm asking is because there is a age old discussion of nature vs nurture in Human society, so would a wanderer need to be harvestable in order not to be karmically bound? I imagine the 2 5d wanderers who joined Ra's 3rd density and graduated into 4d negative is sort of uncommon.
My concern is all the naturally STS conditioning everyone receives on earth, and if wanderers incarnate to aid in the destruction (i.e. help out by lightening the metaphysical atmosphere) are they at more risk of losing their polarity if they choose too difficult of a mission?
RE: Question about wanderers - Patrick - 05-25-2021
We are crazy risk takers, that's for sure. So crazy in Love with the people of this planet that we came here nonetheless.
But a wanderer would have to really strongly revert to orange and yellow ray of processing catalyst while also diminishing their green ray work by quite a lot in order to have to repeat a 3D cycle.
Let's not forget that nearly everyone incarnated on Earth right now is very close to being harvestable to 4D, because of the seniority of vibrations. So a wanderer does not have to be much more harvestable than the general population in order to retain their home polarity. We are comparing ourselves with la crème de la crème.
Also, if because of my current incarnation I would have to repeat 3D, then that just means I really needed it in the first place. My polarity had not been chosen strongly enough.
It's quite possible that those wanderers on Venus that switched polarity were in that situation to begin with. That they had not made "The Choice" deeply enough in the root of the tree of mind.
RE: Question about wanderers - Spaced - 05-25-2021
Ra mentions that the way wanderers can become karmically involved is if they act in a "consciously unloving manner." It's one thing to participate in a system that may be unloving because that is how you were raised, it's another to know that what you are doing is wrong and doing it anyway. Intent matters.
Quote:12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?
Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.
12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?
Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.
As for harvestability, my understanding is that it is based on the violet ray of the individual, which represents the sum total of their energy centers. I believe that the wanderer would already have the violet-ray energy necessary for harvest prior to incarnating and retain it, but I might be wrong. I'm a bit iffy on the concept of the violet ray.
Quote:34.16 Questioner: Would the red ray, an intense red ray, then be used as an index for seniority, the seniority system of incarnation, as well as the intense violet ray?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive, the red ray is seen only as that, which being activated, is the basis for all that occurs in vibratory levels, the sum of this being violet-ray energy.
This violet ray is the only consideration for fourth-density positive. In assessing the harvestable fourth-density negative, the intensity of the red as well as the orange and the yellow rays is looked upon quite carefully as a great deal of stamina and energy of this type is necessary for the negative progression, it being extremely difficult to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus center. This is necessary for harvest in fourth-density negative.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-25-2021
Very good replies, eternally grateful for this wonderful community answering so quickly and accurately.
Do children having tantrums act consciously in an unloving manner? most of my "negative" patterns of behaviour were in childhood as a result of poor consideration of the consequences of acting out physically. Now I feel very stable in love and wisdom, but I still see strife and sorrow in the world, which is a reflection of my unresolved issues in mind.
Maybe I'm falling into the vice of grandeur, believing my personal process in this life to be the be all and end all of spiritual development.
Oh, if we could only go back and do it over... oh wait that's why I'm here
RE: Question about wanderers - flofrog - 05-25-2021
Vice of grandeur ? then Graemett, if we all are One, I have definitely this too, lol
Aren't we all of it ? Couldn't we be Mother Theresa one second, and Hitler the next, lol. All the facets are in us.
This is so funny about tantrum : I was talking with my daughter yesterday, she has a young one who has some tantrums right now. I have a feeling when we are very young it is difficult to realize that our perspective or wishes are not going to be immediately granted by Life, so perhaps tantrums are more impatience than conscious acts in unloving manner. The good thing is that slowly we get that some of our perspective or wishes will be accommodated by Life, if not all lol
I loved your question in the OP. I have also wondered if wanderers find one day that their mission was too difficult. And if so, isn't it still the whole process of that mission which was important anyway ?
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-25-2021
The whole thing is all about learning and exploring the One Infinite Creator anyway right? I should have highlighted how usually it's reacting to the environment and other selves which creates tantrums, not acting intentionally unloving. Also children are not bound by the strictures of personality for their first years so their behaviour is usually reactive and not reflective of their conscious intent.
RE: Question about wanderers - Patrick - 05-25-2021
(05-25-2021, 05:03 PM)Graemett Wrote: ...I still see strife and sorrow in the world, which is a reflection of my unresolved issues in mind...
Seeing it is one thing, but do you feel somewhat detached from it?
Since we share a collective reality, if you look outside you will see other people's unresolved issues, but if what moves you when seeing it is compassion for those others and what they need to work on, then it's not really your own personal unresolved issues that are mirrored back to you.
For myself, it's the "flavor" of what I feel when seeing those things that tells me if it's something I need to work on. This becomes very tasty while I'm driving for example.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-25-2021
An example is seeing how desire aversion and ignorance influence people's actions and seeing how I'm not better just because I've diagnosed it in others. I feel immense compassion for all beings, but I know it starts with me to get free of suffering to then help others if they ask.
The path of acceptance and truth is very clear when you see in everyone how confused we are. The difficulty is maintaining faith that you aren't prolonging or inflating their suffering in your mind, just to use it as a catalyst.
RE: Question about wanderers - flofrog - 05-25-2021
Could it be also that if one takes the time to send one thought of love to a precise one person, without her/his knowledge, is something that ripples and ever slightly changes things ?
RE: Question about wanderers - BrotherInWaiting - 05-25-2021
It is a colossal risk. Many 'enshroud' themselves in protective personalities to begin with -- this or that feature serves to keep you from becoming too deeply embedded. I.e. I think of my friend who seems to gloss emotionally over much of what happens in life, lives in material comfort, is a positive guy to begin with. Simple and secure -- he's incapable of developing any rage, revenge motives, vices and so on. Simple fellow.
RE: Question about wanderers - Spaced - 05-25-2021
(05-25-2021, 08:33 PM)BrotherInWaiting Wrote: It is a colossal risk. Many 'enshroud' themselves in protective personalities to begin with -- this or that feature serves to keep you from becoming too deeply embedded. I.e. I think of my friend who seems to gloss emotionally over much of what happens in life, lives in material comfort, is a positive guy to begin with. Simple and secure -- he's incapable of developing any rage, revenge motives, vices and so on. Simple fellow.
Reminds me of the 'armor of light' that Ra talks about.
Quote:16.59 Questioner: The many Wanderers coming to this planet now and in the recent past— are they subject to Orion thoughts?
Ra: I am Ra. As we have said before, Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex. There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding.
Furthermore, the Wanderer is, in its own mind/body/spirit complex, less distorted towards the, shall we say, deviousness of third-density positive/negative confusions. Thus, it often does not recognize as easily as a more negative individual the negative nature of thoughts or beings.
RE: Question about wanderers - RitaJC - 05-26-2021
(05-25-2021, 04:13 PM)Graemett Wrote: ...all the naturally STS conditioning everyone receives on earth...
What do you mean by this?
I don't believe I and many others ever did growing up in the former SU. And we were/are most definitely not the only collectivistic culture.
RE: Question about wanderers - Diana - 05-26-2021
(05-25-2021, 04:33 PM)Spaced Wrote: Ra mentions that the way wanderers can become karmically involved is if they act in a "consciously unloving manner." It's one thing to participate in a system that may be unloving because that is how you were raised, it's another to know that what you are doing is wrong and doing it anyway. Intent matters.
I think this is the key.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-26-2021
(05-26-2021, 08:14 AM)RitaJC Wrote:(05-25-2021, 04:13 PM)Graemett Wrote: ...all the naturally STS conditioning everyone receives on earth...
What do you mean by this?
I don't believe I and many others ever did growing up in the former SU. And we were/are most definitely not the only collectivistic culture.
One example could be the idea of survival of the fittest, social Darwinism is definitely not STO, yet everyone is taught something similar to this today. The reality of Darwin's ideas was more towards symbiosis, he spent a lot of his later life trying to walk back the original ideas of the best predator wins.
Since STS is best defined as blocking the heart chakra and attempting to control Self and Other Self with the goal of dominance over the other, the vast majority of people have yet to decide if this is how they would like to be treated, so most are temporarily embarrassed millionaires not mad at the system, only unhappy with their position in it.
Also, the former SU was not even close to what I would call socialist or collectivist, a mild definition would be Red Fascism. that's not to say that socialism is not controlled in some forms, but anarchism seeks to liberate and then let the pieces fall where they may, always encouraging autonomy and service to other as a natural human tendency. The problem with all these worldviews we are told exist and people believe them, is that we forget they are just ideas, none of those ideas of political organization actually encompass the reality of the infinitely complex configuration and intersection of billions of M/B/S complexes on this planet.
Finally the idea that some people naturally incline their polarity without conscious seeking is very true, and can not be underestimated. However Ra did say the Logos is biased towards Love so 90% of polarized entities seek positively. In this world the golden rule is taught but not followed, even by some very saintly people. Conditioning is just part of the game here.
RE: Question about wanderers - unity100 - 05-26-2021
(05-26-2021, 11:59 AM)Graemett Wrote: Also, the former SU was not even close to what I would call socialist or collectivist, a mild definition would be Red Fascism. that's not to say that socialism is not controlled in some forms, but anarchism seeks to liberate and then let the pieces fall where they may, always encouraging autonomy and service to other as a natural human tendency. The problem with all these worldviews we are told exist and people believe them, is that we forget they are just ideas, none of those ideas of political organization actually encompass the reality of the infinitely complex configuration and intersection of billions of M/B/S complexes on this planet.
Any description of SU or similar states with the word fascism would be incorrect per political science. SU and other similar states were 'emergency situation' states - which started with revolutions that external and internal forces tried to repress, and which external forces just kept continually threatening these states for the rest of their existence. US had 2 different plans for attacking USSR and China, one involved wiping out entire region with nuclear weapons, and there was another less drastic plan. Those countries knew of these plans, and they were never able to blink and relax even for a moment. Even after nuclear missiles made earlier plan which US made impossible to implement because MAD has become a reality, delirious psychopaths like Reagan again took the world into the brink of nuclear war risking nuclear holocaust even for themselves.
So all of those countries always stayed in a Ww3 readiness state, mostly militarized, while keeping their emergency law type laws as the norm.
Incidentally, such emergency laws to effect the exact situation exists in every single democratic country. Because in the face of a nuclear war, a global catastrophe or similar major event, these are necessary. And all of them can be activated at a moment's notice.
Which is a major problem with Anarchism - its very good at peacetime when you succeed in pulling it off, but it fails towards major crisis and external enemies. From early neolithic farming communities falling to invaders to Spanish Anarcho-Syndicalists not being able to defend themselves from more organized, centralized forces, this is a major problem with Anarchism, positive polarity, and the 'forces of freedom' which Ra speaks of.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-26-2021
Great points all around, I agree whole heartedly, I had heard Red Fascism somewhere and it stuck for some reason, the USSR was always under threat as a nation and so it couldn't be anarchist at all. My point in general was the positive polarity is not very strong in politics, and any attempt to form a society around such principles (Love, freedom, community) will ultimately fail if they are not protected from the force of nationalism and imperialism. I also think that in 4th density, anarchism will not be seen as optimal, since everyone's position is known and the society orients itself to STO. The result would be something like a meritocracy, with those least interested in the domination and control of being a Leader in the young social complex, receiving those responsibilities for governance, not ruling. Everyone will be encouraged to develop themselves as fully as they can, there will be no money (unless desired) no social grievance or crime which goes unaddressed with Love.
RE: Question about wanderers - flofrog - 05-26-2021
great discussion, thank you both Graemett and unity100. Isn't is annoying that major crisis, yet offering major catalyst, are yes the downfall of possible Anarchism and its freedom..
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-26-2021
Never let an emergency go to waste...
RE: Question about wanderers - jafar - 05-26-2021
The environment condition of incarnation does play a major factor towards evolution / development of the consciousness during the incarnation on planet earth.
I used to ponder when the consciousness that become Temujin (Genghis Khan) were incarnated in some peaceful island in the pacific, where food are plenty and everyone is peaceful will he then still evolve into a warlord + conqueror?
Or when any of us were incarnated in the environment that Temujin was, and experiencing everything that he experienced, will not any of us will evolve to become what he become?
Regarding SU/Socialism/Communism, despite the name, those systems were set to put a tight control over the populace, and should be properly named as "State Capitalism" instead.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-26-2021
I agree state capitalism is probably the catch all of the global financial system. STS is not accidental so incarnating in an environment conducive to 2nd and third chakra blockage in the extreme would be intentional rather than random. A lot of people who experience trauma as children choose that as a way to work through karma or give the experience of how they had treated the other in a past life, or wish very strongly to fit as much catalyst into one life as possible (very daring souls.)
We should remind each other constantly that the establishment of Identity as creator is the best way to radiate the energy into the social complex which creates polarization. The negatives are doing quite a number on the human population by depolarizing the would be harvestable humans (through media and environmental destruction creating apathy.)
RE: Question about wanderers - jafar - 05-26-2021
Found an interesting metrics based on Gallup survey / poll.
World Giving Index
https://www.cafonline.org/docs/default-source/about-us-publications/caf_wgi_10th_edition_report_2712a_web_101019.pdf
How willing are people in respective countries to give to others, especially total strangers.
Ex communist/socialist countries (ie: Russia, China) are at the bottom of the list.
And also countries where most of the population feel that their security / survivability is always at risk (living in constant fear) such as Yemen and State of Palestine.
Wealth / possession seem to not play a major part as among the top of the list are countries like Myanmar, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Kenya. But general security / well being seem to play major part.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-26-2021
Let's not forget that charity is also used by very wealthy people as a tactic to gain admiration from the general populous, and most often charities are ineffective at achieving their goals due to mismanagement and greed.
However the idea that giving away money makes you good makes sense for the U.S. given they have the most distorted views of money of the "First World Countries" that I see.
RE: Question about wanderers - jafar - 05-27-2021
The CAF report doesn't only include "charity" or money.
It covers 3 aspect, helping total stranger (can be anything), donating money, volunteering time.
It correlates to trust within the society towards others, as can be shown that population with higher overall trust towards others tend to rank higher, although they might not have 'much' money (ie: Myanmar, Sri Lanka). And those who are living in the population with lower trust towards others (a.k.a insecurity) tends to rank lower. When you're in Yemen or State Of Palestine you will be continuously worry about your security, this lead to suspicion towards others, as you're always on the alert for any potential danger that might damage your well being, (#fear).
I don't have any hypothesis why Russia, Lithuania, Greece or China rank very low.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-27-2021
I think Ra had mentioned the lack of outward protection associated with the invoking of STS, so maybe there is some correlation between STS and lack of trust towards other selves.
RE: Question about wanderers - jafar - 05-27-2021
Indeed there is, learning from Temujin's life experience.
Mongolia was a very harsh environment during his lifetime, inter clan / tribal war, lacking of food and other life sustenance...
Thus if one strive towards 'better harvest', by better here means more entities polarized themselves towards positive. Then try to create a safer and peaceful world will definitely help. Especially in conflict-stricken area such as Syria, Yemen and State of Palestine.
Another thing that intrigued me from the CAF report is how African countries ranked high on the category of "helping stranger". Cited from the report:
Quote:Seven of the ten countries where people are most likely to help a stranger are located in Africa.
This is likely to be as a result of Ubuntu which exists across almost all of Africa and is a philosophy by which people live. Ubuntu can be described as the capacity in an African culture to express compassion, reciprocity, dignity, humanity and mutuality in the interests of building and maintaining communities with justice and mutual caring.
It seems culture also play a major part on propensity towards positive polarity.
RE: Question about wanderers - Aion - 05-27-2021
I'd say the risk is the sacrifice, and what makes it exemplary of service to others. In a way, it makes perfect sense for beings highly oriented towards being of service to take that risk. As far as I know and ponder, nothing is secure, but the choice is always available.
RE: Question about wanderers - flofrog - 05-27-2021
(05-27-2021, 12:56 AM)jafar Wrote: The CAF report doesn't only include "charity" or money.
It covers 3 aspect, helping total stranger (can be anything), donating money, volunteering time.
It correlates to trust within the society towards others, as can be shown that population with higher overall trust towards others tend to rank higher, although they might not have 'much' money (ie: Myanmar, Sri Lanka). And those who are living in the population with lower trust towards others (a.k.a insecurity) tends to rank lower. When you're in Yemen or State Of Palestine you will be continuously worry about your security, this lead to suspicion towards others, as you're always on the alert for any potential danger that might damage your well being, (#fear).
I don't have any hypothesis why Russia, Lithuania, Greece or China rank very low.
Thirty years ago Greece tended to be extremely welcoming, with little suspicion towards strangers, I think the challenge of being part of the EU and the fact they were downgraded to a very low economic status and having to restrain spending has put a heavy toll on the country, plus the sudden disappearing of tourism due to the pandemic, so perhaps this would explain that ?
RE: Question about wanderers - Ming the Merciful - 05-30-2021
Are we not all "Wanderers"? Is that not the reason why we are all here, (on Earth)? It is the fact that we have acknowledged the fact, and have reached the Realization that we are stranded on a planet, and seeking the Self-Realization so that we can evolve, and return back to the Godhead, (our natural abode). We are all walking on our individual Paths, and some are more evolved than others. The more advanced should help those who still remain in ignorance because if we don't, nothing will change. Although if we return to Earth, (or other planets), whether it takes a million lifetimes, or a hundred billion lifetimes, it makes no difference as we still have an infinite amount of time to do it.
The only disadvantage with the "Law of One", is I think there is some misinterpretation of the philosophical concept because there is a superficial element in its pretext. Not that I am denying the "Law of One", (per se), although there are other avenues of investigation and a different assessment of the values. We need to have a broad perspective of the overall values and learn from many sources. This is why I still prefer to have a foundation in Zen and Eastern Philosophy and not diverted completely by one set of values. Embrace everything for an overall picture.
RE: Question about wanderers - Graemett - 05-30-2021
Quote: The original desire is that entities seek and become one. If entities can do this in a moment, they may go forward in a moment, and, thus, were this to occur in a major cycle, indeed, the third-density planet would be vacated at the end of that cycle.20.27
I think the conditions of the contact only allowed for certain questions to be asked, and certain answers given. Ra did their best to give the highest applicable information when the context allowed.
Seeking self-realization reinforces that there is a self that is unrealized and a path to walk. Ra said the steps to balancing are one, the understanding of the energy centers that make up the mind/body/spirit complex. Still all of that is fashioned by mind complex and is distorted by Ra's definition.
RE: Question about wanderers - Ming the Merciful - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 01:07 PM)Graemett Wrote:Quote: The original desire is that entities seek and become one. If entities can do this in a moment, they may go forward in a moment, and, thus, were this to occur in a major cycle, indeed, the third-density planet would be vacated at the end of that cycle.20.27
I think the conditions of the contact only allowed for certain questions to be asked, and certain answers given. Ra did their best to give the highest applicable information when the context allowed.
Seeking self-realization reinforces that there is a self that is unrealized and a path to walk. Ra said the steps to balancing are one, the understanding of the energy centers that make up the mind/body/spirit complex. Still all of that is fashioned by mind complex and is distorted by Ra's definition.
I like the concept of your reply, (but). if you can tell me how an individual would be capable of reaching "Self-Realization", (without encompassing the "Self"), then we have a problem. Our only acknowledgement of our existence is through the "Self", (our embodiment). In recent weeks, I have come to the conclusion that the "Self-Realized" has to go beyond Religion and even Spirituality to comprehend the Supreme, (and the Universal Consciousness). Once we begin to accept the "Natural Order of Everything", (AS IT IS), that is touching on something much deeper than mere intellectual comprehension, because it taking IT to the next level of Realization. In Zen, we were taught that to comprehend Zen, you must also destroy Zen. To comprehend Spirituality, you must also destroy Spirituality because it is only a tool, and not the end result. I consider the "Law of One" as a "Guide" and not the end result, (or an end unto itself). Absolute Consciousness is beyond any form of comprehension, even on an Intellectual or Intuitive level. Ever since I joined the "Law of One" I have been preaching that we need to comprehend on an Intuitive level and I am now discovering even that is not enough. There is a point, (somewhere), beyond both Intellectualism and Intuitive Understanding. When we find that, I can see something so profound and elusive, almost like a "Third State" of Consciousness. When we find that, perhaps that is the elusive "Enlightenment"?
I am also investigating "Non-Duality" which is leading in the same direction. Everything is, "AS IT IS".