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Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Black Dragon - 04-06-2021
I am a mix of mostly different European backgrounds and about 1/8th Iroquois(east coast Native American warrior tribe). Within the past few years in my process of seeking, I ran into this prophecy from the Iroquois people that resonated deeply with me on an archetypical and personal level. I am called to share it now. The prophet Deganawidah, from what I know, united a bunch of warring east coast tribes into a more peaceful confederation. This is the story about the three serpents. I copied the prophecy plus one interpretation from another website of it that I feel is accurate on at least one level or layer.
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"When Peacemaker was leaving the Ongwehoweh at the Bay of Quinte in Ontario, he told them that they would face a time of great suffering. There would come a time when they would distrust their leaders and the principles of Peace of the League. He said a Great White Serpent was to come upon the Iroquois, and that for a time it would intermingle with the Indian as a friend. This serpent would in time become so powerful that it would attempt to destroy the Indian, and the serpent is described as choking the life’s blood out of the Indian People. The Peacemaker told the Indians that they would be in such a terrible state at this point that all hope would seem to be lost. He told them that when things looked their darkest a Red Serpent would come from the North and approach the White Serpent. Bewilderment would cause the White Serpent to accept the Red one momentarily; then would be terrified, and upon seeing the Red Serpent, he would release the Indian, who would fall to the ground almost like a helpless child. The White Serpent would turn all it’s attention to the Red Serpent and a heated argument and a fight ensues. The Indian revives and crawls toward the land of the Hilly Country, and then he would assemble his People together. They would renew their faith and the principles of Peace that the Peacemaker had established. There would at the same time existing among the Indians, a Great Love and Forgiveness for his brother, and in this Gathering would come streams from all over -- not only the Iroquois but from all over -- and they would gather in this Hilly Country, and they would renew their friendship. And Peacemaker said they would remain neutral in this fight between the White and Red Serpents.
At the time they were watching the two serpents locked in this battle, a Great Message would come to them, which would make them ever so humble, and when they become that humble, they will be waiting for a young leader, an Indian boy, possibly in his teens, who would be a Choice Seer. Nobody knows who he is or where he comes from, but he will be given Great Power, and would be heard by thousands. He would give them the guidance and the hope to refrain from going back to their land and he would be the accepted leader. And the Peacemaker said they will gather in the Land of the Hilly Country, beneath the branches of an Elm Tree, and they should burn Tobacco and call upon his name when facing the darkest hours, and he will return. The Peacemaker said that as the Choice Seer speaks to the Indians that number as the blades of grass, he would be heard by all at the same time. As the Indians are gathered watching the fight, they notice from the south a Black Serpent coming from the Sea, and he is described as dripping with salt water, and as he stands there, he rests for a spell to get his breath, all the time watching to the North to the land where the White and Red Serpents are fighting.
The Peacemaker said that the battle between the White and the Red Serpents opened very slowly but would then become so violent that the mountains would crack and the rivers would boil and the fish would turn up on their bellies. He said that there would be no leaves on the trees in that area. There would be no grass, and that strange bugs and beetles would crawl from the ground and attack both serpents, and he said that a great heat would cause the stench of death to sicken both serpents. And then, as the Boy Seer is watching this fight, the Red Serpent reaches around the back of the White Serpent and pulls from him a hair which is carried toward the south by a Great Wind into the waiting hands of the Black Serpent. As the Black Serpent studies this hair, it suddenly turns into a White Woman who tells him things that he knows to be true but he wants to hear them again. When this White Woman finishes telling these things, he takes her and gently places her on a rock with great love and respect, and then he becomes infuriated at what he has heard, so he makes a beeline for the north, and he enters the battle between the Red and White Serpents with such speed and anger that he defeats the two serpents, who have already been battle weary.
When he finishes, he stands on the chest of the White Serpent, and he boasts and puts his chest out like he’s the conqueror, and he looks for another serpent to conquer. He looks to the land of the Hilly Country and then sees the Indian standing with his arms folded and looking ever so noble and he knows that the Indian is not the one to fight. The next direction that he will face will be eastward and at that time he will be momentarily blinded by a Light that is many times brighter than the sun. The Light will be coming from the East to the West over the water, and when the Black Serpent regains his sight, he becomes terrified and makes a beeline for the sea. .He dips into the sea and swims away in a southerly direction, and shall never again be seen by the Indians. The White Serpent revives, and he too sees the Light, and he makes a feeble attempt to gather himself and go toward that Light.
A portion of the White Serpent refuses to remain but instead makes its way toward the land of the Hilly Country, and there he will join the Indian People with a Great Love like that of a Lost Brother. The rest of the White Serpent would go to the sea and dip into the sea and would be lost out of sight for a spell. Then suddenly the White Serpent would appear again on the top of the water and he would be slowly swimming toward the Light. The Peacemaker said that the White Serpent would never again be troublesome to the Indian People. The Red Serpent would revive and he would shiver with great fear when he sees that Light. He would crawl to the North and leave a bloody, shaky trail northward, and he would never be seen again by the Indians. The Peacemaker said as this Light approaches that he would be that Light, and he would return to his People."
MAD BEAR’S INTERPRETATION
"The first Serpent of white represents the Spirit. Over time the Spirit convoluted with moral/religious concepts and began to take control of the two legged. This can be interpreted specifically with Christianity but Mad Bear thought it a step further. He thought it more a Universal Concept and that Handsome Lake’s "prophecy" is an example of this convolution of morality and spirit and that The Code writings have caused much disruption and deprivation to the Peacemaker’s original message of Love and Unity. Keep in mind that the concept of Hell and a punishing God, was not in Native American theology until the Missionaries introduced it. Along with the missionaries also came the disdainment of women and a 400 year old assault by the Church to eradicate 70 million "Witches", neither teaching was compatible with the powerful Clan Women. So with these thoughts in mind, let’s look at the interpretation.
The Serpent of White, then gets distracted by the Serpent of Red. The Serpent of Red represents the lower body and all that is associated with earthly gratification. This includes greed and addictions. When the lower body takes over the Spirit (which has been tainted by morality and religion) it is enticed and then begins a battle between morality and earthly gratification. This is played out both individually as each individual soul walks the karmic journey toward ascension, and It is also reflected on an universal level as the mass consciousness battles with the lower vibrations of greed and morality. We see this reflected throughout the world and throughout time as wars and destruction continue. This is even shown through weather patterns as Mother Earth attempts to cleanse the vibrations of battle that is placed on her and bring her self back to balance.
The battle of the Red and White Serpents continues until the Black Serpent emerges. The Serpent of Black represents the Emotional Body. The Emotional Body emerges. The White Woman that comes from the White Serpent’s hair is representative of a Messenger of Truth from Spirit free from the conflict of the morality and religious control. She reminds the Black serpent or the Emotional Body of the TRUTH. It takes the Emotional Body time to digest the truth and even then He reacts in anger and adds to the fighting. It is not the Black Serpent who helps the Two Legged because the fighting continues and his intention is to continue the fighting even though it has completed the emotional intention of ending the war between the Red and White Serpents. He still remains within the Battle energy, which the Peacemaker originally buried under the Tree of Peace.
The emerging of the Peacemaker from the East as the golden Yellow Light is not a result of the Black Serpent’s battle but the union of the Young Male Prophet’s Truth with the Love of the Spirit Messenger from White Serpent. Both are said to be standing on a rock. This is the solid foundation of Mother Earth. Both are also said to be Messengers of Spirit. It is when both of them surface at one time that The Peacemaker emerges.
After the return of the Peacemaker, the Black Serpent leaves for the Sea and what is seen on his back is the droplets of water. Water has been associated with emotions in many spiritual practices. The mention of droplets of salt water can also be a reference to tears. The Sea Water is also considered a healing tool by many practices.
The Red Serpent remains on the Earth leaving a trail of blood behind. These are two more associations that reflect the Red Serpent as representing the Physical desires.
The White Serpent splits, leaving the true Spirit to remain with the two legged and sending the morality/ religious base to be cleansed by the Sea and the Peacemaker’s vibration.
This, as with all prophesy, is played out within each individual as well as the mass consciousness, which dictates the state of the world."
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Black Dragon - 04-06-2021
To me, one more literal interpretation on one level is the white serpent is the White Brotherhood and the red is the Luciferian Elite. The rest? I have my theories. Archetypically/symbolically, I like the Mad Bear interpretation best.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - zedro - 04-07-2021
(04-06-2021, 11:58 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: To me, one more literal interpretation on one level is the white serpent is the White Brotherhood and the red is the Luciferian Elite. The rest? I have my theories. Archetypically/symbolically, I like the Mad Bear interpretation best.
Yes that was my basic interpretation too (well the players a bit modified), mainly because the indian retreat into the "hilly country” is literally part of a premonition I've had since last year, a prominent detail of a greater narrative to come. And this intermingles with my developing situation.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Black Dragon - 04-07-2021
A lot of ideas for fantasy novels I had as a teenager revolved around two tyrannical factions fighting for world supremacy blindsided and upended by a third party rebel faction. Not only that concept but the symbolism that goes along with it which I have personally identified(Black Dragon).
That black serpent character describes me archetypically. I'm like the third party, me and/or my soul group and connections. I represent the primacy of the heart over "judgment from on high" and "temptation from below". I combat both these forces in the name of humanity, but at risk of absorbing all their negativity and being corrupted by rage and arrogance. It's not really just me or my soul group though this is a grassroots call from humanity for the heart chakra to be heard over the hungry red growl of the Luciferians and the grinding mechanical scorn/judgement of the White Brotherhood(or at least the usurped factions within it, it does basically say the white serpent splits in half and the good half lives peacefully).
Now I'm not saying I go out like a super hero and physically do this lol. This is all on a thought-form, morphic field/archetype level, mostly just on an internal level besides all of our interconnectedness to Earth morphic fields and each other where I suppose these things might carry some metaphysical weight.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Sacred Fool - 04-07-2021
Here's a different take on it.
The sea and the woman represent lower aspects of consciousness which give birth to humans and guide them to seek to rise and unite with the light, which represents the higher aspects of consciousness. Humans live in this borderland between the upper and the lower and are here represented by the people and the serpents. They are completely confused by the whole affair, either retreating and being passive or expending energy in ceaseless brawling.
Humans are pretty much completely distracted from seeking the pathway reaching from the Earthly and the Divine. No surprise there, I suppose. Very sad.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Black Dragon - 04-07-2021
(04-07-2021, 02:14 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:
Here's a different take on it.
The sea and the woman represent lower aspects of consciousness which give birth to humans and guide them to seek to rise and unite with the light, which represents the higher aspects of consciousness. Humans live in this borderland between the upper and the lower and are here represented by the people and the serpents. They are completely confused by the whole affair, either retreating and being passive or expending energy in ceaseless brawling.
Humans are pretty much completely distracted from seeking the pathway reaching from the Earthly and the Divine. No surprise there, I suppose. Very sad.
I'd say that's an accurate and legitimate interpretation. "prophecies" are multi-dimensional like that they can mean many things on an internal, personal, and/or broader picture perspective. I'd go even farther and say that for many people, it's more than living on a borderland, but a false dichotomy or dissonance, a "tug of war" or conflict between the upper and lower that is not brought into unison with an open heart.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - zedro - 04-07-2021
Native mythology also puts alot of meaning into the cardinal directions, I would have to look into my native tarot books.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Ymarsakar - 04-07-2021
I keep in mind that the rider smith deck, white represents purity in the magician card and red represents power or the darker emotions (red chakra).
What came to my mind was the White Serpent was western civilization, but I did not know what the Red was other than Blue vs Red, Red China, etc etc. I am not good at these symbolic interpretations since I am not as connected to humanity's collective subconscious as others are.
Words like "choice seer" reminds me of the Latter Day Saint prophecies and channeled material of Joseph Smith. The Lamanites, an ancient Hebrew civilization split off from Jeremiah's era of Hebrews exiled/remnant saved, before the Babylonian captivity.
That region between Idaho and Utah is called "Mormon country" because 98% of Mormons are of the mainline branch, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
The Peacemaker, would be Yeshua or some equivalent avatar. In the Book of Mormon, Circa 50-150 AD, Yeshua was said to appear in the Nephite/Lamanite civilization, which seems to be centered around the Great Lakes region of America to Florida, and maybe extending down south into the Atlantean/Mayan colonies. The reason why he was called the peacemaker is because he united the Nephite/Lamanite factions together, so that they would no longer war against each other, and ushered in a mini golden age of several centuries of peace and harmony with his teachings. Burying weapons in the ground was one testament to a pledge of peace. Burying the hatchet is what the Indians may refer to it as.
"The Indian revives and crawls toward the land of the Hilly Country, and then he would assemble his People together. They would renew their faith and the principles of Peace that the Peacemaker had established. There would at the same time existing among the Indians, a Great Love and Forgiveness for his brother, and in this Gathering would come streams from all over -- not only the Iroquois but from all over -- and they would gather in this Hilly Country, and they would renew their friendship. And Peacemaker said they would remain neutral in this fight between the White and Red Serpents."
This is why "millions" are flooding into the US of A right now. This is the Regathering of the Tribes. The 12 Tribes of Yasharel (Israel). There is a reason the Mexicans are gathering in the US, and everyone in Latin America is getting moved to America. Whether the light or dark is behind it... the real reason is veiled. There are powers operating on this Earth that humans have limited conception of.
It makes a lot more sense that the "white" represents the degraded nature of christian spiritual purity, represented by the Vatican and other man made churches. With the Red representing the Cabal, anger, lower chakra forces, like Red China too. Domination, control, willpower.
The black, seems to be a wild card. The starseeds? Perhaps. Did natives at the time, associate the blackness of the sky with something? Black also means absorbing energies. Not sure how that may apply.
So the White vs Red battle has been going on for some time already. And both are getting tired. Very tired. The Vatican is prophesied by Fatima or other forces, as being mostly gone by now. Last P of Rome and such. Physically, USA vs China is already going on, but military forces are still mostly intact. A hidden war has been going on however, in 2020 and 2021 called "Corona" whatever. Will the black faction (potentially hyper star seeds) be the wild card in this war?
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Sacred Fool - 04-07-2021
(04-07-2021, 02:33 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: I'd go even farther and say that for many people, it's more than living on a borderland, but a false dichotomy or dissonance, a "tug of war" or conflict between the upper and lower that is not brought into unison with an open heart.
Liminal areas are often like that, sometimes one group crosses to fight, sometimes the other. The Boarder Country between England & Scotland, for example, has a very long history of that kind misery.
Again, the wisdom of the feminine is very often completely ignored by the warrior classes.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Ymarsakar - 04-07-2021
This is actually connected to the Lemurian priestess of Mu video linked somewhere else here. Because in the video, she said that the black adepts or priestesses, would intentionally seek out to kill the awakened/activated DNA royal lines of Lemuria, because these were the souls that were most powerful and if they incarnated into human form with their DNA powers, it would cause problems for the dark.
Thus the destruction of the Hebrews and other highly powerful DNA lineages (holy grail), was the attempt to destroy this royal DNA potential. And it would explain why the Hebrews/Indians of America were selected for culling by the so called elites. It wasn't a race thing or political thing, as it appears to most humans. It goes a lot deeper than that.
It also explains the cultural distaste for red hair. Because that is linked to the psychic or royal gene. And this was specifically singled out for destruction and soul/karmic splintering.
People may not know what is going on at the Indian reservations in the USA< but the rates of suicide/depression/alcoholism is way too high. So they already in a pretty dark place.
"When this White Woman finishes telling these things, he takes her and gently places her on a rock with great love and respect, and then he becomes infuriated at what he has heard, so he makes a beeline for the north, and he enters the battle between the Red and White Serpents with such speed and anger that he defeats the two serpents, who have already been battle weary."
That kind of sounds like the whole child trafficking and hidden truth issue. When people become really aware of this issue, which is only the tip of the iceberg of Corona 2020, then they will get "infuriated" all right. Normally humans have psychological shields and defenses. If you press them enough fori t to trigger, they may have a reaction, but wait a few days or weeks, and they return to normal. This normal is the delusion of the Veil of Maya, the illusions of the Moon archetype card. By hitting humans again and again and again, they can't get back up again, their mental defenses never "return to normal". Then they really wake up and see what is going on.
RE: Deganawidah Serpent Prophecy: Iroquois "End Times Prophecy" - Raukura Waihaha - 04-07-2021
This prophecy came to me around August last year.
It was the same time that I was in contact with Shawn Hamilton, who has published articles in New Dawn magazine about the Hopi and their stories of being taken to South America on flying shields of light.
We were going to write a collaborative book about the parallels between the nation of Waitaha and Hopi but there were a few issues with differing agendas that made it not feel right to put my energy into it.
He sent me this book and the day it turned up, the neighbour came over with a Hawk that had hurt its wing. We nursed it back to health.
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The prophecy was part of something I experienced and lived in real time.
It resonates like the story I read about masaaw.
That is the role I feel I play for us.