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Intellect - sillypumpkins - 03-15-2021
This word has been floating through my mind for a little while now. I don't really know exactly what it means. The definition on webster feels like an utter dud to me:
intellect: /ˈin(t)lˌekt/ (noun):
the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters.
or the wiki definition: In the study of the human mind, intellect refers to and identifies the ability of the mind to reach correct conclusions about what is true and what is false, and about how to solve problems
these definitions don't resonate with me at all....... what does it mean to "understand" something objectively? what are "correct conclusions about what is true and false?"
anyways, sometimes when I'm contemplating these things, I like to look up the etymology of the word, so I did that for this one:
Intellect: "the sum of the cognitive facilities (except sense or sense and imagination), the capacity for reasoning truth," late 14c. (but little used before 16c.), from Old French intellect "intellectual capacity" (13c.), and directly from Latin intellectus "discernment, a perception, understanding," noun use of past participle of intelligere "to understand, discern"
so according to the etymology of this word...... intellect is related to both understanding AND discernment? woo, that's got me stumped! i just don't see where intellect fits into that equation..... what the hell is it??
I would love to hear y'alls thoughts on the matter........ thanks
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-16-2021
There is something mysterious here? You are trying to discover Intellect, while I am trying to move away from it. What is that supposed to mean? I come from the School of Zen and in Buddhism it is overcoming the Intellect and only observing in Intuitive Mind to understand the true Spiritual Nature. Intellect is the intellectual part of Mind, or, logical Mind. The observation and thinking in cognitive thought. An object, or a thought is perceived only in logical form. Intuition is the Higher State of Mind, (usually found when in the Mindless State). Not thinking. Perceiving something as the Observer and not the participant. Is that getting too heavy? Intellectual is deep thinking, while Intuitive is non-thinking and using Subconscious Mind. In Intuitive Mind, you know without knowing. Or, it is merging with Universal Mind. It is easier for me to explain the Intuitive, than the Intellectual. I don't know if that has helped, I may had made it more complicated? Peace.
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-16-2021
You'll meet in the middle...
RE: Intellect - Dtris - 03-16-2021
Intellect and intelligent are generally used to describe someone who in competent in analytical and logical thought processes or disciplines. There is enough range though that the common usage of the words doesn't really have a well defined meaning. Generally I think it represents aptitude at something. Whenever someone is good at a task, especially one that requires thought, they are assumed to be intelligent.
Intellect is something people have and use and generally means the rational and analytic mind. Again though there is some overlap with other mind functions in common usage.
Maybe I am wrong but at least for me, the words intelligent and intellect are so ineffective at describing the actual depths and breadth of the mind that it becomes grating. Especially when so many people worship the intellect as being all important in our society.
RE: Intellect - Diana - 03-16-2021
The intellect is, in my view, a mental tool to process, combine, sort, etc., and make conclusions with information in an orderly fashion.
I think it is a popular idea in spiritual circles to ignore the intellect in favor of "heart" or "love." But if one is looking at the LOO and the Ra Material, the purpose of 3rd density is to make "the choice." If one is not conscious of making the choice, it doesn't work—in other words, if one is in the sinkhole of indifference and just going around in la-la land loving everything, as a crude example, that is not really a conscious choice. One must be aware that there IS a choice between STS and STO. The mind must be engaged in the choices or they aren't aware choices. The intellect is a part of the mind.
I do understand the idea of moving past the intellect into a heart-centered place. The intellect is still a valid tool in this reality. It will take intellect, for example, to clean up the pollution humanity has dumped into the oceans. Although, perhaps in an advanced society, love alone would do it—but that is not the case here, and I see that as wishful thinking because I am a pragmatist. But hey, anything is possible.
To ignore the intellect is to ignore a hammer when building a house. We wouldn't even have the Ra Material, or the excellent content in it, without Don, whose intellect and ability to process information and comprehend complex concepts resulted in channeled material like no other (Ra's comments were dependent upon the questions Don asked). This is not to imply Carla and Jim had nothing to do with it.
It is rather comparable to the construct of time in 3D. It is useful for navigating certain things here, but the larger reality is better comprehended in the eternal moment with no past or future. Still, time has its uses here.
RE: Intellect - flofrog - 03-17-2021
I think intellect has a magical quality we often tend to ignore.
Our cells act with intellect, I find that fascinating. Somehow our body functions well throughout, thanks to our cell’s’ intelligence.
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-17-2021
You're absolutely right Diana. The heart must team up with the intellect to do the most efficacious work. On their own they can unbalance the self instead of helping to crystallize.
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-16-2021, 08:32 PM)Patrick Wrote: You'll meet in the middle...
Het midden is goed. Ga naar de hele wereld en zend de boodschap van vrede uit.
The middle is good? The place between Realities. Is there a place between Intellectual and Intuitive Mind, between the two halves of the Brain? Then it can be said, that the Brain is only the physical attributes to something that is hidden inside Consciousness. The God(s), were charlatans when they invented Mankind. Man was neither Ape, nor God. Yet Man desires to become a God. So does the Ape desire to become Man? Why am I paraphrasing Nietzsche in "Thus Spoke Zarathrustra". The mystery continues...
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 07:41 AM)Patrick Wrote: You're absolutely right Diana. The heart must team up with the intellect to do the most efficacious work. On their own they can unbalance the self instead of helping to crystallize.
Hey Patrick, what is this thing with the "Stars". Do we get stars for attendance or for not creating chaos and revolution? What mystery is this. You have five, and I have three? I am confused? This could bring the downfall of Man.
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 09:32 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Hey Patrick, what is this thing with the "Stars". Do we get stars for attendance or for not creating chaos and revolution? What mystery is this. You have five, and I have three? I am confused? This could bring the downfall of Man.
There are internal discussions to remove those. I think it just comes with the platform used for these forums. Other changes as well regarding the displayed stats. All of it with the intent to remove auto-intimidation in between members.
Well maybe intimidation is too strong a word, but I'm not an English speaker and I can't seem to find a better one at the moment.
RE: Intellect - Diana - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 09:49 AM)Patrick Wrote:(03-17-2021, 09:32 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Hey Patrick, what is this thing with the "Stars". Do we get stars for attendance or for not creating chaos and revolution? What mystery is this. You have five, and I have three? I am confused? This could bring the downfall of Man.
There are internal discussions to remove those. I think it just comes with the platform used for these forums. Other changes as well regarding the displayed stats. All of it with the intent to remove auto-intimidation in between members.
Well maybe intimidation is too strong a word, but I'm not an English speaker and I can't seem to find a better one at the moment.
The stars just have to with how many posts/length of time you have been a member, I believe. And as Patrick said, it is on our to-do list to remove a hierarchical-seeming symbol such as the stars, but leave the number of posts. It seems somehow informative to see how involved a member has been in these forums.
What do you think Ming the Merciful? (Flash Gordon, right? except Ming was originally "merciless").
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 10:54 AM)Diana Wrote:(03-17-2021, 09:49 AM)Patrick Wrote:(03-17-2021, 09:32 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Hey Patrick, what is this thing with the "Stars". Do we get stars for attendance or for not creating chaos and revolution? What mystery is this. You have five, and I have three? I am confused? This could bring the downfall of Man.
There are internal discussions to remove those. I think it just comes with the platform used for these forums. Other changes as well regarding the displayed stats. All of it with the intent to remove auto-intimidation in between members.
Well maybe intimidation is too strong a word, but I'm not an English speaker and I can't seem to find a better one at the moment.
The stars just have to with how many posts/length of time you have been a member, I believe. And as Patrick said, it is on our to-do list to remove a hierarchical-seeming symbol such as the stars, but leave the number of posts. It seems somehow informative to see how involved a member has been in these forums.
What do you think Ming the Merciful? (Flash Gordon, right? except Ming was originally "merciless").
Hi Diana. Good to meet you. I have been cursed by the God(s). I had started a reply to you, and then it all disappeared. Here we go, (again). Ming the Merciless You are correct, he was in the Flash Gordon movies. He has always been my hero, (anti-hero). What it is, in my family ancestry we have Chinese and Oriental connections, and I have leaned more to Chinese and Japanese philosophy, (as opposed to Western Philosophy). It feels more natural and holistic. The West only observes Spirituality on an Intellectual level which causes a misunderstanding and delusion. If we observe in Intuitive Mind, there is a deeper understanding that cannot be seen in Intellectual Mind.
I had the opportunity to learn Zen through a good Spiritual Master, (for whom I will be eternally grateful). When you understand Zen, (not that you ever comprehend Zen). it changes everything. Or, it teaches you to observe life Intuitively as opposed to Intellectually. Beware of the snake in the grass, (it may have a sting in the tail). I have the belief that Zen and the ONE is the same thing. A wolf in sheep clothing. How we interpret Zen, (or the ONE), is not important. It is the fact of the acknowledgment. Or, it is only those people who are "Awakened" understand. But, more importantly we must not become evangelical and argue over trivial matters of personal interpretation. It is that which causes chaos and discord.
So, that is the basics of me, in the, (proverbial), "Nutshell". Peace.
RE: Intellect - Diana - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:(03-17-2021, 10:54 AM)Diana Wrote: What do you think Ming the Merciful? (Flash Gordon, right? except Ming was originally "merciless").
Hi Diana. Good to meet you. I have been cursed by the God(s). I had started a reply to you, and then it all disappeared. Here we go, (again).
Yeah that has happened to me. In addition, I have lost other digital content in the past—illustrations for example that weren't backed up; and once I lost an entire short story (I rewrote it though, and I felt it was better the second time.
)(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Ming the Merciless You are correct, he was in the Flash Gordon movies. He has always been my hero, (anti-hero). What it is, in my family ancestry we have Chinese and Oriental connections, and I have leaned more to Chinese and Japanese philosophy, (as opposed to Western Philosophy). It feels more natural and holistic. The West only observes Spirituality on an Intellectual level which causes a misunderstanding and delusion. If we observe in Intuitive Mind, there is a deeper understanding that cannot be seen in Intellectual Mind.
Well, Asian culture and philosophy is very old, as opposed to the newer Western versions of esoteric reality. We do learn from anything. Heck, seeing and hearing a bird sing in a tree could be the very trigger that opens up certain doors of perception.
An ex-boyfriend grew up next to (an old) Buster Crabbe in Scottsdale AZ. He was the original Flash Gordon. And I can remember the old series from the 30s, which I recall seeing reruns of when I was really little. I loved it. That and Astro Boy, which was a sort of precursor to Japanese anime, a Japanese cartoon, I believe.
(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: I had the opportunity to learn Zen through a good Spiritual Master, (for whom I will be eternally grateful). When you understand Zen, (not that you ever comprehend Zen). it changes everything. Or, it teaches you to observe life Intuitively as opposed to Intellectually. Beware of the snake in the grass, (it may have a sting in the tail). I have the belief that Zen and the ONE is the same thing. A wolf in sheep clothing. How we interpret Zen, (or the ONE), is not important. It is the fact of the acknowledgment. Or, it is only those people who are "Awakened" understand. But, more importantly we must not become evangelical and argue over trivial matters of personal interpretation. It is that which causes chaos and discord.
So, that is the basics of me, in the, (proverbial), "Nutshell". Peace.
I see the correlation between Zen and the One.
I also think that certain translations of Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu really grasp in feeling or implication what words can't really describe.
RE: Intellect - sillypumpkins - 03-17-2021
@ Ming - your words are quite clear, thank you
@ Patrick - Do you think that perhaps, intellect is related to wisdom and understanding, in a way that ones "intellect" (or intelligence?) is the by-product of wisdom and understanding coming together (or meeting in the middle)? does that make sense? spitballing here!!
@ Diana - i agree wholeheartedly. Even though I might not "get" intellect on a conceptual level, it does sure feel to me to be important at this juncture!
@ flo - agreed
so far........ intellect seems like a pretty good tool at exploring third density..... however it seems best accompanied by a faithful heart......
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 01:34 PM)Diana Wrote:(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:(03-17-2021, 10:54 AM)Diana Wrote: What do you think Ming the Merciful? (Flash Gordon, right? except Ming was originally "merciless").
Hi Diana. Good to meet you. I have been cursed by the God(s). I had started a reply to you, and then it all disappeared. Here we go, (again).
Yeah that has happened to me. In addition, I have lost other digital content in the past—illustrations for example that weren't backed up; and once I lost an entire short story (I rewrote it though, and I felt it was better the second time.
(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Ming the Merciless You are correct, he was in the Flash Gordon movies. He has always been my hero, (anti-hero). What it is, in my family ancestry we have Chinese and Oriental connections, and I have leaned more to Chinese and Japanese philosophy, (as opposed to Western Philosophy). It feels more natural and holistic. The West only observes Spirituality on an Intellectual level which causes a misunderstanding and delusion. If we observe in Intuitive Mind, there is a deeper understanding that cannot be seen in Intellectual Mind.
Well, Asian culture and philosophy is very old, as opposed to the newer Western versions of esoteric reality. We do learn from anything. Heck, seeing and hearing a bird sing in a tree could be the very trigger that opens up certain doors of perception.
An ex-boyfriend grew up next to (an old) Buster Crabbe in Scottsdale AZ. He was the original Flash Gordon. And I can remember the old series from the 30s, which I recall seeing reruns of when I was really little. I loved it. That and Astro Boy, which was a sort of precursor to Japanese anime, a Japanese cartoon, I believe.
(03-17-2021, 12:56 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: I had the opportunity to learn Zen through a good Spiritual Master, (for whom I will be eternally grateful). When you understand Zen, (not that you ever comprehend Zen). it changes everything. Or, it teaches you to observe life Intuitively as opposed to Intellectually. Beware of the snake in the grass, (it may have a sting in the tail). I have the belief that Zen and the ONE is the same thing. A wolf in sheep clothing. How we interpret Zen, (or the ONE), is not important. It is the fact of the acknowledgment. Or, it is only those people who are "Awakened" understand. But, more importantly we must not become evangelical and argue over trivial matters of personal interpretation. It is that which causes chaos and discord.
So, that is the basics of me, in the, (proverbial), "Nutshell". Peace.
I see the correlation between Zen and the One.
I also think that certain translations of Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu really grasp in feeling or implication what words can't really describe.
I have returned. The other thing I learned from Zen, is the "Art of Taunting the God(s)". Or, if the God(s), cannot be taunted, then it is unworthy of Godliness. If a God is so fragile that it is offended by taunts, (from mere Humans), then it has no right to be a God(s). Most Westerners feel terror and fear with such discourses because they have been indoctrinated by the Church and State to fear God. The worst sin. So what is sin? A defilement in one society is commonplace in another society and accepted as normal. Humans have the reputation of blowing things out of proportion and becoming offended. Then offend me, I don't care. Not that anything or anyone offends me. The "Art of Treating People Equally". No matter what their status is in society.
Ming the (Merciless) Merciful? That is the icon I use on my computer. I pay homage to Ming the Merciful daily. You will ask, is it not a fictional character? It is, (but), how many of the God(s) we worship are fictional? Were not all the God(s) created by Man? Did God create Man, or did Man create the God(s)? We are treading dangerous ground, people maybe offended. If such statements offend them, then they are not "Awakened". So who are the Awakened?
Those who understand that the True Spiritual Awakening are not concerned about trivialities We must look beyond the common misinterpretation. The true Awakening goes beyond logical and intellectual thinking. There is a natural neutrality in everything. The Great Void. It is at the point in Zen, where the Yin-Yang symbol is folded-in on itself, and just before the total destruction, (and the recreation), is the PURE NOTHINGNESS. It is neither all Nothingness, (or), all Anything. The point in between the two states of existences. If you look with Intuitive Mind, you will see it and understand. Logical thinking will not see it. That is also the elusive Zen and ONE. Everything and nothing existing simultaneously in the same moment. A reflection of the latest theories in Quantum Physics regarding matter and energy. We are both matter and energy at the same moment. That is the current thesis.
Peace.
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 02:22 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ...
@ Patrick - Do you think that perhaps, intellect is related to wisdom and understanding, in a way that ones "intellect" (or intelligence?) is the by-product of wisdom and understanding coming together (or meeting in the middle)? does that make sense? spitballing here!!
...
so far........ intellect seems like a pretty good tool at exploring third density..... however it seems best accompanied by a faithful heart......
I think your last sentence says it best.
Personally, I would not say that intelligence is a by-product of wisdom or understanding. For example, I have seen people whom not many would call intelligent demonstrating very great wisdom. It's a humbling demonstration.
According to this, it would seem that wisdom and understanding are residing "outside" the intellect per se. The mind being more than just the intellect. The intellect itself being rather a tool such as you mentioned, one part of the mind complex.
Ra 30.2 Wrote:...The mind is a complex which reflects the inpourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex...
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 02:46 PM)Patrick Wrote:(03-17-2021, 02:22 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ...
@ Patrick - Do you think that perhaps, intellect is related to wisdom and understanding, in a way that ones "intellect" (or intelligence?) is the by-product of wisdom and understanding coming together (or meeting in the middle)? does that make sense? spitballing here!!
...
so far........ intellect seems like a pretty good tool at exploring third density..... however it seems best accompanied by a faithful heart......
I think your last sentence says it best.
Personally, I would not say that intelligence is a by-product of wisdom or understanding. For example, I have seen people whom not many would call intelligent demonstrating very great wisdom. It's a humbling demonstration.
According to this, it would seem that wisdom and understanding are residing "outside" the intellect per se. The mind being more than just the intellect. The intellect itself being rather a tool such as you mentioned, one part of the mind complex.
Ra 30.2 Wrote:...The mind is a complex which reflects the inpourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex...
You are both right, and you are both wrong. Spiritual Understanding does not come through Intellectual Mind. It must be experienced Intuitively. Intellectual understanding is at the gross physical level, and closer to the physical body. You can understand on an intellectual level, (but), it is not the same deep-rooted comprehension. Intuitive understanding is from the Mindless state, (non-thinking). Although you do not need Meditation to do it. The simple method is to simply not think of anything. Which also comes from Stillness.
RE: Intellect - sillypumpkins - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 02:46 PM)Patrick Wrote: Personally, I would not say that intelligence is a by-product of wisdom or understanding. For example, I have seen people whom not many would call intelligent demonstrating very great wisdom. It's a humbling demonstration.
the perception people (or many) have of what an intelligent person looks like, is in fact a distortion (and often ive found it to be so grossly distorted!) and so im not sure i would give much weight to what "many" people have to say about who is intelligent and who isn't :p especially as someone who has gone through the american school system............
anyways.........
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 05:27 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:(03-17-2021, 02:46 PM)Patrick Wrote: Personally, I would not say that intelligence is a by-product of wisdom or understanding. For example, I have seen people whom not many would call intelligent demonstrating very great wisdom. It's a humbling demonstration.
the perception people (or many) have of what an intelligent person looks like, is in fact a distortion (and often ive found it to be so grossly distorted!) and so im not sure i would give much weight to what "many" people have to say about who is intelligent and who isn't :p especially as someone who has gone through the american school system............
anyways.........
This is an open question? Have any of you heard of "Aaron Abke" on YouTube? Highly recommended. He is teaching people about the "Awakening", and he is good. I have watched several of his videos, and after they are finished you get that "Kick Inside". Most of his material is inspired from the "Law of One" so it is genuine stuff. I just finished watching an hour long interview, (hence why I have been away). Just thought I would pass it on in passing. Peace.
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-17-2021
Yep, we need more people like Aaron to translate Ra speak into plain English.
RE: Intellect - Ymarsakar - 03-17-2021
Patrick, .... do humans really find that language hard to understand? I find that hard to understand, or maybe I have just forgotten what it was like when I was hearing the audio on ytube before my upgrades.
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18556
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RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-17-2021
(03-17-2021, 07:03 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Patrick, .... do humans really find that language hard to understand? I find that hard to understand, or maybe I have just forgotten what it was like when I was hearing the audio on ytube before my upgrades.
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18556
Entertainment!
Based on the humans in my life, it seems so. I had to buy the new book Spiritual Theory Of Everything to pass along and help them.
As for me, I actually prefer the way Ra says it. It's clearer to me. Less distortions. Aaron is great, but for someone like me, the little distortions added sometimes are enough to grate on my nerves. It's inevitable, since it's an interpretation. I much prefer making my own interpretations.
But it looks like many people just want to be properly inspired and are perfectly ok with having just the gist of it. People like Aaron are great for that. All in all it makes the material available/visible to a much wider audience.
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-18-2021
(03-17-2021, 07:26 PM)Patrick Wrote:(03-17-2021, 07:03 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Patrick, .... do humans really find that language hard to understand? I find that hard to understand, or maybe I have just forgotten what it was like when I was hearing the audio on ytube before my upgrades.
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18556
Entertainment!
Based on the humans in my life, it seems so. I had to buy the new book Spiritual Theory Of Everything to pass along and help them.
As for me, I actually prefer the way Ra says it. It's clearer to me. Less distortions. Aaron is great, but for someone like me, the little distortions added sometimes are enough to grate on my nerves. It's inevitable, since it's an interpretation. I much prefer making my own interpretations.
But it looks like many people just want to be properly inspired and are perfectly ok with having just the gist of it. People like Aaron are great for that. All in all it makes the material available/visible to a much wider audience.
RA en de wet van ÉÉN
Ik ben in de wildernis geweest en ik ben teruggekeerd met nieuwe God(en).
The thing that we all have to be cautious about concerning the "Law of One", is that everybody does not become "Evangelical". No matter what the belief system is, we cannot take something on face value, (without proof). Then you say, it is written, it must be so. Have you seen my posts in the other related subjects, and the, (possible), connection to Peru and the ancient civilizations? We are all investigators here, and at different levels of investigation. I can see parallels when reading the "Book of Ra" to the "Bhagavad-Gita" and other Vedas, (but), we must still look deeper. I am not saying that the Book of Ra is not true, except we still need a certain validation.
I find everything very mysterious because I encountered Ra about thirty years ago, (in another form). Or, it was the same form, except in another context. I used to attend regular meetings, (somewhere), and we held Spiritual Based meetings. Within the organization were levels of hierarchy, which led back to a, (supposed), "Alien" connection. On following-up my research, that particular organization has been validated, and is true. What I am searching for now, is a possible connection between the two organization. Directly, or indirectly. There may even be an unconscious connection, that either party is unaware of. If there is a connection, then this puts L\L into a much higher strata than I originally thought. Then that becomes mind-boggling and almost overwhelming because I can see an esoteric connection that wasn't there before. It is like following the "Di Vinci Code".
The translation above. I have been into the wilderness and returned with new God(s). So who are the new God(s)? The link to something much deeper and profound, and it changes the whole scenario regarding "L\L Research". I should bring the point up with the, (whoever), is at the top? It is obvious I was meant to be here because I have been left clues for years. It is beyond coincidence. What my friend had uncovered when I joined the other organization was more than he ever realized. I never took it seriously enough to believe it was totally genuine. At the time the Internet was in its infancy and researching the organization was almost impossible, because it was, (more or less), hidden and only a few chosen people knew about it. The organization had the cover as a "Mystery School", although the hidden side was almost untraceable. Then by freak of finding different pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, the pieces fitted together and the overall picture emerged. There is another connection which I am now researching, and when I find it. Case solved.
Peace to All. ALL is ONE.
RE: Intellect - flofrog - 03-18-2021
It is so much fun when years later you see all the pieces of the puzzle fall together....
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-18-2021
The caution you mention should not become an issue in my opinion. I would say the Ra material is non-dogmatic, maybe even anti-dogmatic. So far I have rarely seen occurrences of evangelism related to it anyway. Not that it does not exist, but most people interested in the Law of One seems to be repulsed a bit by dogma to begin with.
RE: Intellect - Diana - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 11:30 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The thing that we all have to be cautious about concerning the "Law of One", is that everybody does not become "Evangelical". No matter what the belief system is, we cannot take something on face value, (without proof). Then you say, it is written, it must be so. Have you seen my posts in the other related subjects, and the, (possible), connection to Peru and the ancient civilizations? We are all investigators here, and at different levels of investigation. I can see parallels when reading the "Book of Ra" to the "Bhagavad-Gita" and other Vedas, (but), we must still look deeper. I am not saying that the Book of Ra is not true, except we still need a certain validation.
I'd like to speak to this, from my personal and current (subject to evolve and change as I take in more awareness) points of view.
Firstly, I will say that proof is not something I seek. However, in the context, I think, of what you are saying, I agree that wisdom would steer an individual toward discernment that derives from their own seeking, and hopefully that seeking doesn't stop in its tracks somewhere and create inertia.
People will follow, they will evangelize, they will hold onto a philosophy or religion, whether that is because they finally found something that resonates, and/or whether they are not yet capable of facing alone the vast mystery that is. There is nothing we can do about that (more on that below). Everyone is where they are at.
Humanity has historically, and still does, collectively seek those who explain the mystery, tell them how to navigate the mystery, and act as a parental figure while they traverse their paths through the labyrinth that is the incredible and incomprehensible universe we find ourselves in, and behind a veil no less. This includes mythical gods of both nature and rulers (this is not to discount the elemental beings of nature but to point out the gods that explained natural occurrences such as an eclipse or storms), gurus, priests and clergy, disincarnate channeled beings, and any being or source perceived as bigger and therefore wiser than us here. This is idea is represented when A. Sphere is telling A. Square about the 3D world (Flatland).
It's a shield against the vastness to believe, to settle on something to hold onto while floating in the mysterious universe—visible and invisible—behind a veil. It's cozy to have a community which believes the same. It's comforting to align in this way with others (and perhaps an unconscious compulsion considering that eventually individuals may align with others in a SMC), under the guidance of a "greater" being or "greater knowledge' that we can't access here easily ourselves. I can understand why people seek this. I can understand the compulsion to "know" rather than to "not know."
I am not like that. I feel a sense of claustrophobia when thinking about believing. I have the feeling that belief is like a wall that requires guarding to maintain itself, therefore it keeps new awarenesses and information from penetrating its perimeter. I think the exceptions to this idea may be the huge, big picture that all is one—unity in fact, as Ra came here to offer. To me this is a universal truth even from the perspective of science that all is connected. Even so, I have working theories only.
But that is me. And, although I hope humanity evolves consciously to a state of greater personal and collective responsibility, so the suffering here can be lessoned and we can heal the planet, it is what it is. Wanderers came here to lighten the planetary vibration:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The number is approximate due to an heavy influx of those birthed at this time due to an intensive need to lighten the planetary vibration and thus aid in harvest. The number approaches sixty-five million.
So what does a wanderer do the? According to Ra, that is individual:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. . . . Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. . . . You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.
Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.
Though wanderers here may already be functioning as a beacon of planetary love and light, those of Ra also point out the importance of individual expression.
I personally don't find, and haven't found in my life, any efficacy in deconstructing anyone's beliefs. (That is not to say I don't love philosophizing and discussing these great topics.) I have the add-in philosophy. I add in my particular self to the mix. My experience indicates that that is the most I can do.
RE: Intellect - flofrog - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 12:45 PM)Diana Wrote: I think the exceptions to this idea may be the huge, big picture that all is one—unity in fact, as Ra came here to offer. To me this is a universal truth even from the perspective of science that all is connected. Even so, I have working theories only.
So agree Diana,
RE: Intellect - Patrick - 03-18-2021
The simplest and yet most powerful revelation. We are ONE.
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 12:45 PM)Diana Wrote:(03-18-2021, 11:30 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The thing that we all have to be cautious about concerning the "Law of One", is that everybody does not become "Evangelical". No matter what the belief system is, we cannot take something on face value, (without proof). Then you say, it is written, it must be so. Have you seen my posts in the other related subjects, and the, (possible), connection to Peru and the ancient civilizations? We are all investigators here, and at different levels of investigation. I can see parallels when reading the "Book of Ra" to the "Bhagavad-Gita" and other Vedas, (but), we must still look deeper. I am not saying that the Book of Ra is not true, except we still need a certain validation.
I'd like to speak to this, from my personal and current (subject to evolve and change as I take in more awareness) points of view.
Firstly, I will say that proof is not something I seek. However, in the context, I think, of what you are saying, I agree that wisdom would steer an individual toward discernment that derives from their own seeking, and hopefully that seeking doesn't stop in its tracks somewhere and create inertia.
People will follow, they will evangelize, they will hold onto a philosophy or religion, whether that is because they finally found something that resonates, and/or whether they are not yet capable of facing alone the vast mystery that is. There is nothing we can do about that (more on that below). Everyone is where they are at.
Humanity has historically, and still does, collectively seek those who explain the mystery, tell them how to navigate the mystery, and act as a parental figure while they traverse their paths through the labyrinth that is the incredible and incomprehensible universe we find ourselves in, and behind a veil no less. This includes mythical gods of both nature and rulers (this is not to discount the elemental beings of nature but to point out the gods that explained natural occurrences such as an eclipse or storms), gurus, priests and clergy, disincarnate channeled beings, and any being or source perceived as bigger and therefore wiser than us here. This is idea is represented when A. Sphere is telling A. Square about the 3D world (Flatland).
It's a shield against the vastness to believe, to settle on something to hold onto while floating in the mysterious universe—visible and invisible—behind a veil. It's cozy to have a community which believes the same. It's comforting to align in this way with others (and perhaps an unconscious compulsion considering that eventually individuals may align with others in a SMC), under the guidance of a "greater" being or "greater knowledge' that we can't access here easily ourselves. I can understand why people seek this. I can understand the compulsion to "know" rather than to "not know."
I am not like that. I feel a sense of claustrophobia when thinking about believing. I have the feeling that belief is like a wall that requires guarding to maintain itself, therefore it keeps new awarenesses and information from penetrating its perimeter. I think the exceptions to this idea may be the huge, big picture that all is one—unity in fact, as Ra came here to offer. To me this is a universal truth even from the perspective of science that all is connected. Even so, I have working theories only.
But that is me. And, although I hope humanity evolves consciously to a state of greater personal and collective responsibility, so the suffering here can be lessoned and we can heal the planet, it is what it is. Wanderers came here to lighten the planetary vibration:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The number is approximate due to an heavy influx of those birthed at this time due to an intensive need to lighten the planetary vibration and thus aid in harvest. The number approaches sixty-five million.
So what does a wanderer do the? According to Ra, that is individual:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. . . . Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. . . . You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.
Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.
Though wanderers here may already be functioning as a beacon of planetary love and light, those of Ra also point out the importance of individual expression.
I personally don't find, and haven't found in my life, any efficacy in deconstructing anyone's beliefs. (That is not to say I don't love philosophizing and discussing these great topics.) I have the add-in philosophy. I add in my particular self to the mix. My experience indicates that that is the most I can do.
What I find amazing being here. Earlier I mentioned the connection to the other organization? When I read the "Book of Ra", compared with the writings from the other organization, the wording is, (more or less), identical, as if from the same source. I have proven the connection to myself. What is the next step? The Esoteric Link. One thing I was taught when I studied Zen. Is that you must accept the Spiritual Path not as something unique and beyond comprehension. Putting Spirituality onto a pedestal When we do that, it becomes unobtainable. The "Higher Self" is just that. The higher vibration of our physical manifestation. Spirituality should not be glorified and treated as a different entity. I am, therefore I am a Spiritual Being. The true meaning of Spirituality is generally misunderstood because it has been corrupted by Religion.
What is the sound of one hand clapping? When the Master slaps the student in the face. The "Awakening". Suddenly we are jolted out of a dreamless sleep and we begin to see Reality. I have been slapped in the face many times by the Master. Have any of you felt that unexplainable presence? The "Knowing"? Instead of, (endlessly), searching for the Truth, allow the Truth to come to you. This is how we learn to live in Intuitive Mind. Other people have said to me, that I should read the "Book of Ra" more. The fact is, if you are living in Intuitive Mind, the Knowledge will come as you need it, (naturally). Have any of you tried Remote Viewing? It is the same thing. You may not know the Knowledge word-for-word, (but), you will understand the essence of the Knowledge. Although if it done often enough and the skill is developed, you could read the books remotely.
Remote Viewing is an interesting pastime. Is not Remote Viewing and being a Channel the same thing? Only in different States of Awareness. Excuse me, I was distracted. While I am typing this I am listening to Arabic music on YouTube. You will ask, are not my roots Oriental? This is true. I love Arabic and Middle Eastern music. Also Pakistani and Afghani. I actually believe the reason why Middle Eastern and Far Eastern music is so good, is because it is Spiritually based. The East has a natural Higher State of Consciousness than the West. It is reflected in their societies and the music. Why do you think that the majority of the philosophy in the world originated in the East? There are those that say, that even Christianity is a corruption of a Hindu God, and it was misinterpreted and corrupted. The joy of Religious corruption.
Of saints and sinners, and defilements of the God(s). To find Liberation you must defile the God(s). Or, you say, to find Liberation, you must do it alone. The God(s) wait for no man and did not the God(s) leave us here and they never returned? I hold the God(s) accountable for the suffering of Humanity. They are guilty of malpractice as God(s). Defilement of the God(s) is another way to Liberation. How can that be? Is it not a blasphemy to defile the God(s)? Did not the God(s) defile Man when they left us alone without guidance? The Prophets and Spiritual Masters were useless, they only caused discord among Humanity. You will ask, what am I doing? You must step outside the normal realms of Reality and not feel scared to live dangerously. It leads to Liberation. How many people do you know who are afraid to say anything ill-willed against the God(s)? For fear it may offend the God(s)? If that is so, and the God(s) are so easily offended, then they have no right to be God(s). Three-dimensional thinking. And so?
And so ended the discourse...
Peace to All and All in Peace.
RE: Intellect - Ming the Merciful - 03-18-2021
(03-18-2021, 01:31 PM)Patrick Wrote: The simplest and yet most powerful revelation. We are ONE.
The easiest thing is the hardest to find. (The Buddha).