(04-07-2020, 10:05 AM)Agua Wrote: I think there is nothing wrong with sending love.

However, honestly, why would we incarnate in the first place if sending love would be sufficient?

How does sending love help somebody struggling with loneliness, somebody starving and so on?
How does merely sending love help people heal?
Sure, entities who are not incarnate obviously have to send love, I mean, they are not here physically.

If you look at it from a perspective of healing, you might notice that almost any issues we can have originated in some kind of relationship.
So, in order to heal, we need to heal relationships.

If we dont heal our relationships, if we stay isolated, not daring to really connect and relate, is the exclusive sending of love actually really a service or is it an expression of our own problems?

This is not to devaluate any service, but I think, the difference between delusion and service is, delusion is a potential we can feel but never „bring into the world“, whereas a true service, that is really helpful, involves bringing that potential into the world.

(04-07-2020, 07:00 PM)Agua Wrote: Sitting at home, hiding behind a computer, afraid of connecting with the world and with fellow human beings and dwelling in the amount of love one has to give to the world instead of really manifesting this love or light or spirituality in actual life is, in my opinion, neither helpful for the human beings out there nor is it helpful for the seeker at home.
This life is about living it, connecting with life, with the world, the earth, with people. There is ample opportunity to serve and to grow.

One does not grow nor serve by dwelling in what could be instead of really manifesting it here in this world.

I hope I could clarify what I meant!

(04-06-2020, 09:33 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Is STO realized only by doing things for others?

Or simply loving others is that STO as well?

(04-07-2020, 08:28 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: That being said, f*** polarity and f*** the STS/STO thing. In fact, I am at this point not so trustful of the LOO channelings. Having information channeled by a supposedly positive entity that is supposedly an alien SMC who was supposedly worshipped as a sun god is some very shaky s*** taken on absolute faith but why? And what is the idea presented? It seems to be: either be absorbed into some amorphous cosmic force or damn yourself to separation until loneliness forces you to submit and inevitably be absorbed by that amorphous cosmic force. So then the whole STO/STS thing really isn't much of a real choice at all. It's the illusion of choice. You are being told you have no choice but to inevitably give up your memories, identity, free will etc. to merge with the One. Where's the free will again? Maybe the free will is the free will not to buy into that s***. Sure, maybe all is one, but just because you FINALLY find a spiritual text that acknowledges that fact and puts it in positive sounding language doesn't mean the material isn't actually insidious. But who knows? Maybe that is the way s*** is. I don't know anymore and I'm not going to instantly assume it actually is how "Ra" says it is, nor that it's all bullshit either. Who knows?

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Still, I don't trust this whole LOO material anymore, not that I completely disregard it either.

(04-07-2020, 09:23 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:

(04-07-2020, 08:28 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: That being said, f*** polarity and f*** the STS/STO thing. In fact, I am at this point not so trustful of the LOO channelings. Having information channeled by a supposedly positive entity that is supposedly an alien SMC who was supposedly worshipped as a sun god is some very shaky s*** taken on absolute faith but why? And what is the idea presented? It seems to be: either be absorbed into some amorphous cosmic force or damn yourself to separation until loneliness forces you to submit and inevitably be absorbed by that amorphous cosmic force. So then the whole STO/STS thing really isn't much of a real choice at all. It's the illusion of choice. You are being told you have no choice but to inevitably give up your memories, identity, free will etc. to merge with the One. Where's the free will again? Maybe the free will is the free will not to buy into that s***. Sure, maybe all is one, but just because you FINALLY find a spiritual text that acknowledges that fact and puts it in positive sounding language doesn't mean the material isn't actually insidious. But who knows? Maybe that is the way s*** is. I don't know anymore and I'm not going to instantly assume it actually is how "Ra" says it is, nor that it's all bullshit either. Who knows?

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Still, I don't  trust this whole LOO material anymore, not that I completely disregard it either.

Maybe this post could be helpful, in describing the "method of exclusion" - that is, the way it is supposed to work/be engaged. I don't think positive idealism (the "method of integration") will work as a driving force for you, but "impartiality with the self" may, as a way of getting somewhere.

More idealistically driven people may get somewhere by distilling purer ideals, in some form, whether related to the LOO channeling or something else, and then sincerely striving towards them, both inwardly and outwardly. (Not easy.) More mentally and skeptically driven people may need to approach eveything differently in order to approach whatever is real by excluding everything which isn't. (Not easy either, but one way or the other will be a better fit for each person.)

(04-07-2020, 11:36 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: "Perhaps there is some confusion between different types of wanderers. There are those wanderes who come into their incarnation with a set mission (i.e. Tesla), where family structure and fate are designed in such a way to guide that entity to be successful in causing specific (sometimes radical) change. Lets call these Type A

Then there is the type of wanderer that has incarnated in a wave, essentially arriving in a more random fashion, dispersed throughout the world. The only set mission being to "lighten the load", whatever that means. Say these are Type B.

I think it's easy for Type B to look upon Type A and almost feel inadequate. Type A seem to hit the ground running while Type B are left feeling a lack of direction or purpose. Their innate desire to serve, combined with the confusion of a very open-ended mission, results in the typical restless feeling felt by most here. Add to that the common trauma experienced of coming into the world with a much higher standard of what it is to be loved and accepted, and those around us not being able to see or return such a love, it is easy to see that compassion is in order for all souls involved."

Stop it. This bullshit notion that all you have to do is just sit around and feel good is a bunch of crap. And who says you're a wanderer? Have you pierced the veil enough to know? And even if you have, does that mean you know if everyone else here asking this kind of s*** is?

Sitting around and feeling good is not gonna make you happy and it's not gonna help you heal your trauma and it's not gonna be cponducive to self love and therefor, love of other self. That's bullshit.

Even if your primary mission is to raise the vibration of the planet by being on it or whatever crap, that doesn't mean your only mission is to just sit around feeling good.

And that'
s NOT gonna raise your vibration either, so even THEN you're not doing your mission right.

STOP IT.

Stop this nonsense that sitting around and doing nothing is in and of itself positive work. It's not. That's just an excuse to not change. And if you're gonna sit around, fine. That's cool with me, but I'm calling bullshit on this notion that doing so is positive work, that when one does it that it's because they're a wanderer, that it is one's mission to just sit around and not do anything, or some bullshit like that. If you're gonna sit on your ass all day, just own the fact that that's what you're doing and stop pretending you're actually being of service to anybody outside of yourself by doing it. It's really just the bullshit here that's getting my goat. Sitting around all day? Fine. But don't lie and say you're doing anybody outside of yourself some great service by not doing anything, just because you don't want to take the responsibility of changing. That is of NO service to ANYONE, yourself included.

Just be real: If you're sitting around all day, you are not doing s*** for anybody. Why? I dunno. Maybe because you're scared, confused, whatever. Okay fine, but that doesn't mean you're doing some act of service to others by trying to stay comfortable and avoid scary change because you're scared. IF that's what you're doing, just admit it. Don't pretend you're doing some act of service. You're not. You're serving yourself, but not even doing that strategically. It is what it is. It is not bad to cultivate patience with oneself about it. However, bullshitting about it will only make your own life worse if you do that s***. Might as well just be honest with oneself about it instead. Just own up to it. If you own up to it, that might even be the first step towards CHANGING it and healing yourself! THEN you will actually be DOING something for yourself and others.


And as for this notion of "I am doing the world my good service by sitting around and postulating on an internet forum" bullshit, please.

No you ain't. Let's just be real here. Most likely, you're telling yourself that sitting on your ass typing s*** up is your great service because IT IS EASY and it DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OR CHANGE.

And I'm not gonna judge for that, but I'm not gonna pretend that it aint what it is. I'm not gonna pretend sitting on your ass and doing what is easy and comfortable and does not require personal responsibility or change just because it is within your comfort zone and doesn't threaten you is some serious act of service to the world.

It's not. It's just refusal of the call to adventure, because you're afraid to leave your comfort zone. That's fine, but ADMIT IT.

Quote:Kamma Niyama
Kamma, or karma in Sanskrit, is the law of moral causation. All of our volitional thoughts, words, and deeds create an energy that brings about effects and that process is called karma.

The important point here is that Kamma Niyama is a kind of natural law like gravity that operates without having to be directed by a divine intelligence. In Buddhism, karma is not a cosmic criminal justice system, and no supernatural force or God is directing it to reward the good and punish the wicked.

Karma is, rather, a natural tendency for skillful (kushala) actions to create beneficial effects, and unskillful (akushala) actions to create harmful or painful effects

Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.

(04-08-2020, 02:37 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: And just to get it straight, YES I agree that posting on this site CAN be an act of service. I have met a number of people who have helped me quite a bit on this site. Agua and Reaper especially. Agua even posted some useful stuff in THIS thread.

But I DON'T think the stuff they post on this site is the service EITHER is best suited for. I think it is ONE aspect of their service.

So do I agree contributing on the forum is a service? Yes. Do I think it's a good idea to say "This might be the BEST service you're suited for"? No.

Also, I am aware laziness can be a virtue of efficiency, but that is NOT what I am talking about and that is NOT the problem I am seeing with your assertion as you worded it. I didn't read your post and think to myself "Oh! She's promoting making things easy and time efficient! That's No true service"

I thought "Oh s***, she's telling a guy who spends A LOT of time on this site that the time he spends on this site might be 'the best form of service suited for him' and that could EASILY get taken the wrong way"

And if you feel I took it the wrong way, well, CASE IN POINT.

I am not saying "laziness bad" I am saying "NOT DOING MUCH and just feeling love is not an act of service, just because you post on a forum while you do it" I'm not even saying it's something to feel bad about. I am just saying that no, it's not really all that STO. Not really. I'm just asying to CALL A SPADE A SPADE.

Who am I yelling at?

Nobody.


Oh, and this:

"Who should I be? Who do you want me to be, shall we discuss it?"

A) we are discussing it already, and B) It doesn't matter who I want you to be.

All I'm saying is, if you want to be STO don't pretend that's what you're being if you make "contributing to an internet forum" the "best service for you" while you adopt the notion that one is certainly a wanderer and therefore the type that must be just sent here to raise the vibration or some s*** like that. I have heard enough of that and I REALLY think it's a bad notion.

The question is WHAT DO YOU want to be? Do you want to be the person whose definition of serving others is "rasing the vibration" and sending love without doing much else because posting on an internet forum is the service best suited for you?

Or do you want to be somebody who does the STO thing?

Or somebody else?

All I'm saying is BE HONEST about it.

I don't actually care what you do, I just think it's a bad idea not to be honest about it.

Also, I don't think the wanderer identity helps most people. I think it's actually in most cases kind of an ego trap. And I think when people think they're wanderers, or lightworkers, or starseeds or whatever, they start to get all kinds of unhelpful notions based on that concept.

ESPECIALLY if they don't even know. If you haven't pierced the veil or been told by someone who has, I don't think it's a good idea to assume. Actually, even THOSE two I am at this point becoming skeptical of. I am becoming INCREASINGLY aware that stuff is not as it seems. And I think that's what's bothering me here: Stuff isn't as it seems, and yet thinking that it is, or thinking that it is what one wants it to be... it's like... I worry it's inherently limiting. Like a cage.

I dunno. What I'm saying is, this kind of stuff we tell ourselves? Often bullshit and often keeps us down.

Quote:(https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1003.aspx)
We are those of Q’uo. The attempt that a servant of the light makes to be of service allows that servant to discover things about him or herself. It allows that being to come across those dirty fingerprints on the window that cast shadows when the sun tries pass through them. Each of those dirty fingerprints has to be attended to. And it is only by placing yourself in the light and desiring to have the light come through you that those flecks of dirt and fingerprints and grime can be discerned. It is a gift to the self when one wishes to be of service, thus fulfilling the paradox spoken of earlier.

Let us speak about the fingerprint on the window that is called fear. In effect each fingerprint could be labeled fear because fear is the opposite of love. When this instrument, in the example spoken of in the question posed in this group, chose to give the possession of her ring to whichever homeless person or beggar in her city asked of her for the value of money, she discovered that place of fear within her: that fear of being approached, of looking into the eyes of another self and being asked for something that she could not give or did not feel that she had the right to give. [1] When she carried that ring with her with the intention of giving it away, the fear lifted. And in that lifting of the fear a connection of love which was made because she could look in the eye of everyone that passed her, knowing that she could be of service when service was asked of her.

When the fear is no longer there between two selves, there does the light flow between Creator and Creator. There is no longer a holding that traps energy. The energy flows more freely through the chakras, specifically orange and yellow, those chakras that deal with society and the interactions with another self. In giving of things of which the self has possession, one gives of the self and allows those blockages to be released, because there is no longer a blockage between Creator and Creator.

Although the act of generosity was not performed by giving this ring, the desire to give and be of service was what helped this seeker find a blockage and release it, which is the only purpose that was necessary, the act of giving being much less relevant than the gift of love that was created and the discovery of a blockage to that love.

It has been said by this instrument’s teacher and those of the Confederation to look for love in all situations. In working with the self in these subtle arts, it is just as helpful to look for the fear. Why are you afraid? Why is the love seemingly absent? What are the remedies for the self for making this fear or blocking this love?...

Quote:(https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1003.aspx)
...The acting out of service or what your society conceives of as service, we propose to you, is much less important. For one works on the self. One always works on the self. And when one works on the self, the inner self, the outer situations take care of themselves. We propose to this group to put less energy into worrying about performing those acts you each consider to be of service and put those energies of worry into being thankful for the service you each now already perform.

Your society holds up as models those people whom you each consider to have been model servants of the light. Mohandas [2], the one known as Jesus, and the one known as Martin [3] gave tremendously of themselves, to the point of giving their own lives. Many peoples of your planet have in the past worn bracelets or some such reminder with the inscription “WWJD,” asking of themselves, “What would Jesus do in this or that situation?” Each of these people did not say to themselves, “What should I do?” “What is the thing that is of service?” They just did the service.

How is this possible? How does one know what the right service is? We say to you that this is an unskilled question. The skilled question is to find the love and the service will follow. When the heart is open to the extent it was open in the three individuals mentioned, there are no questions of what is of service. There is merely service. The heart leads the way. The faithful servant follows. And the love appears. The light shines through.

When you ask what would be of service you are removing faith, [and instead] you are using the intellect to replace your faith. You are not moving love but trying to emulate love. One can try to cultivate love, but we would suggest in the way we see it that this is a temporary result, perhaps an inspiring model but not the end result, not a permanent objective. Love cannot be cultivated by will or logic. Love is cultivated by allowing it to accumulate naturally as the seeker continues to seek, continues to give thanks, and continues to point his or herself ever toward the light.

In this way love arises naturally. And when love arises naturally and fills the heart, and the mind lets go of its judgments and turns itself over to faith and true service is performed, this is not easy. It is not something one can achieve by practicing this or that skill, but that which will come as it will; come with patience and dedication to the task of being a servant of the light.