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Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - Ray711 - 12-20-2019
I've been wondering about this. For a polarity that relies so often in manipulation, and where being skilled at manipulation is something of great value, what is the point behind telepathy when it instantly lets every other-self know your true intentions? Are manipulation and deception taken out of the equation when dealing with other members of the social memory complex? And what is its purpose exactly in this polarity?
One thing that comes to mind is that telepathy could be used in such social memory complexes to create a hive mind of sorts. Each member of the hierarchy knows their place, with orders being communicated much more easily and efficiently from top to bottom via direct thought. Still, where does manipulation factor into all of this? If we consider the notion that STS entities can rely upon completely different forms of power, some choosing raw physical and overt power, and other entities choosing the more cerebral and covert kind of power that manipulation entails, wouldn't telepathy impose serious limitations upon entities' free will to choose their own particular way of seeking power? Furthermore, how could inner fighting and disintegration of these negative SMCs even happen, if every entity always had the ability to know when someone wanted to betray them?
I was remembering what I believe was a near death experience I once read. The person going through this experience found himself in the world of spirits, having telepathy. He said that positive entities reveal the entirety of their being to you; their thoughts, their feelings, their everything. He explained that this is how you identify the positive and the negative entities, arguing that negative entities close aspects of themselves to you, choosing to reveal in the telepathic process only those aspects of themselves that suit them.
I think this would solve the dilemma. Negative social memory complexes could use telepathy for negative purposes, without being hindered in their power plays and deceitful tactics. Those in the lower levels would resign to their current position, while waiting to amass enough power to make a move upon their leaders.
Unfortunately, the following quote from Ra might be in direct contradiction to that possibility:
Quote:Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.
This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can only come about through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.
They go into such little detail that we can only imagine the extent of this "transparency", though. Perhaps transparency is absolute within the SMC itself, but not so when dealing with entities outside the SMC, which would explain that person's near death experience. Who knows, though.
What are your thoughts? How do you think telepathy works in STS SMCs, and for what purposes?
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - kristina - 12-20-2019
(12-20-2019, 07:28 AM)Ray711 Wrote: I've been wondering about this. For a polarity that relies so often in manipulation, and where being skilled at manipulation is something of great value, what is the point behind telepathy when it instantly lets every other-self know your true intentions? Are manipulation and deception taken out of the equation when dealing with other members of the social memory complex? And what is its purpose exactly in this polarity?
One thing that comes to mind is that telepathy could be used in such social memory complexes to create a hive mind of sorts. Each member of the hierarchy knows their place, with orders being communicated much more easily and efficiently from top to bottom via direct thought. Still, where does manipulation factor into all of this? If we consider the notion that STS entities can rely upon completely different forms of power, some choosing raw physical and overt power, and other entities choosing the more cerebral and covert kind of power that manipulation entails, wouldn't telepathy impose serious limitations upon entities' free will to choose their own particular way of seeking power? Furthermore, how could inner fighting and disintegration of these negative SMCs even happen, if every entity always had the ability to know when someone wanted to betray them?
I was remembering what I believe was a near death experience I once read. The person going through this experience found himself in the world of spirits, having telepathy. He said that positive entities reveal the entirety of their being to you; their thoughts, their feelings, their everything. He explained that this is how you identify the positive and the negative entities, arguing that negative entities close aspects of themselves to you, choosing to reveal in the telepathic process only those aspects of themselves that suit them.
I think this would solve the dilemma. Negative social memory complexes could use telepathy for negative purposes, without being hindered in their power plays and deceitful tactics. Those in the lower levels would resign to their current position, while waiting to amass enough power to make a move upon their leaders.
Unfortunately, the following quote from Ra might be in direct contradiction to that possibility:
Quote:Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.
This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can only come about through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.
They go into such little detail that we can only imagine the extent of this "transparency", though. Perhaps transparency is absolute within the SMC itself, but not so when dealing with entities outside the SMC, which would explain that person's near death experience. Who knows, though.
What are your thoughts? How do you think telepathy works in STS SMCs, and for what purposes?
Quote:I was remembering what I believe was a near death experience I once read. The person going through this experience found himself in the world of spirits, having telepathy. He said that positive entities reveal the entirety of their being to you; their thoughts, their feelings, their everything. He explained that this is how you identify the positive and the negative entities, arguing that negative entities close aspects of themselves to you, choosing to reveal in the telepathic process only those aspects of themselves that suit them.Firstly, how frightening it would be for a positive being to witness 4th density negative. Is it possible to keep in mind that STS is compact? It is a great possibility to remain this way (compact and concealed through 4th, 5th, and early 6th density) until mid 6th density. Anyway, about the quote above. The latter part reveals a bunch about how the negative entities may handle their business concerning others by choosing to reveal to others what is self serving and conceal weaknesses and vunerabilities. This would be very difficult in 4th density and I would guess to say a newcomer to 4th density negative would be like a Slave for sure and would have to learn from his master in a sneaky deceitful way how to protect and conceal the parts of his nature that make him easy prey. This happens a lot on Earth and the Earth is a perfect place to learn these techniques. This is a perfect place to polarize STS because the opportunies are so rich.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - Ray711 - 12-20-2019
Quote:This would be very difficult in 4th density and I would guess to say a newcomer to 4th density negative would be like a Slave for sure and would have to learn from his master in a sneaky deceitful way how to protect and conceal the parts of his nature that make him easy prey.
I think you are correct with this interpretation, if we go with the notion of telepathy being adjustable at will.
If transparency of thought is absolute, and we consider the same scenario, the only conclusion I can arrive to is that the master perceives that the student/slave wishes to eventually surpass and enslave the master. However, I believe the master knows and accepts this as the way things work in negative densities. They know that everyone is out to get them, so, if it isn't that one student, it will be another. And so, in their own quest to surpass their own masters, they keep playing this game of power, training students or gathering slaves to do their bidding, not because they are invested in their personal development, but simply as a tool to use and throw away, exactly as the corporate world treats its employees. In that sense, to respond to your comment on STO entities when witnessing the negative densities, I believe that we are already very close to such a situation here on Earth!
Ra: "This [negative] thinking will not be so strange to you. Therefore, we may speak through the densities as your planet has some negatively oriented action in sway at this space/time nexus."
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - unity100 - 01-07-2020
Quote:what is the point behind telepathy when it instantly lets every other-self know your true intentions
In negative 4d, telepathy would be a vehicle for the negative entities to hide their emotions and thoughts as much as they can while imposing their own desires on other entities as much as they could.
A situation of a battle of wills, in a sense.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - Runar - 01-08-2020
I think we are speaking about actors and pretenders.
If anyone move in a telepathic group with hostile intentions, their rule must be, don't ever think it, let the acting be perfected in the mind first. Such infiltration would rather be from a density above. And they would be skilled in meditation and have a mind properly trained in obedience.
So i guess the typical problem would be a new 4thD group on the move, developing, and then there are people going the opposite way. Or turning sour. There will be no open hostility, just picking, and skilled arguments against the sane.
What would be attacked are premises keeping the group together, also whatever means and practices which may lead the group to completion of the 4thD. This would set precedence in our collective consciousness and would be easier to repeat in another group if it succeeds.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - Nau7ik - 01-08-2020
Telepathy is the natural way of working for the subconscious mind. In 4D with no veil this is the natural means of communication with others. It’s how channeling works! Concepts are shared mind to mind.
This is great for the positive polarity, and good/bad for the negative polarity because they cannot hide their thoughts and emotions. Of course the higher-ups in a negative SMC will benefit from this telepathy in being able to see into the minds of the minions.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - EvolvingPhoenix - 01-09-2020
If it has not been pointed out, I should acknowledge the fact that as Ra said, 4D negative make deluberate use of the 3D veiling process to some extent in order to aid in their spiritual learning.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - kristina - 01-09-2020
(01-09-2020, 11:39 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: If it has not been pointed out, I should acknowledge the fact that as Ra said, 4D negative make deluberate use of the 3D veiling process to some extent in order to aid in their spiritual learning.I don't recall that quote but I can definitely see this. Interesting
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - Desaad khaan - 07-27-2021
As an STS I will probably overwhelm you with information so much so that you won't peek in. People forget that you can blind people with bright light. Light/darkness are just tools, I find most STO take them as absolute. Without darkness you can't sleep (closing your eyes). Yet would you define sleeping as negative ? Darkness is a tool of creation but the most easiest way to hide things is to keep them at day light.
A great book to see what 4th density negative telepathic might look like is the patternist by Octavia butler.
RE: Purpose of telepathy in negative 4th density - unity100 - 08-07-2021
(12-20-2019, 07:28 AM)Ray711 Wrote: He said that positive entities reveal the entirety of their being to you
They dont. Even as a 6d entity incarnated in 3d, your m/b/s and your psyche, cannot handle the entire manifestation of a higher density entity. You would get damaged somehow. So you see only what you can handle.