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2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - redchartreuse - 11-28-2018
I must admit, with all the people on earth seemingly stuck in the "sinkhole of indifference", that I am having a really hard time reconciling this with what Q'uo is saying here about the "seniority system of incarnations".
So... Q'uo means to tell us that all of us incarnated now are "most likely" to "grow in a spiritual sense"... and yet here we are with wide swaths of the population languishing in the sinkhole and not polarizing.
These are the most likely to grow... in all the universe? I don't follow. Seems like something has gone awry with the spiritual growth process to me. I am failing to see the perfection here. Any help?
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Nuria Luz - 12-28-2018
It looks paradoxical, yes, and disheartening.
Maybe the small things we can change or improve in ourselves and in our relationships with others are more important than we think.
I read and watch youtube videos from great people, meditation masters and so. Their achievements look so big compare to mine (and those around) that I also get disappointed, frustrated. But probably their roles are to lead and mine is not.
Is it possible that big transformations are not the goal here for the big part of humanity? Maybe we're here to churn and chew and refine all over some small portion of knowledge until perfected? Or maybe those big transformations are achieved and are powerful but subtle, and not showing that much?
I don't really know, just some thoughts on the subject bro.
Love!
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - AnthroHeart - 12-28-2018
And you hear about people who have demons in them.
I know some that are so angry as people you'd swear they have a demon or more in them.
Some celebrities signed contracts with Satan to get where they are, and end up with demons in them.
This is what I hear.
I don't know why demons infest innocent people who didn't sign any contracts.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - ada - 12-28-2018
I remember reading a Q'uo session (can't remember which atm) saying that we cannot see our progress while being incarnated, that we have to go by faith.
Regardless of how much you yourself progress in spiritual terms, you are still a part of a collective whole that most are walking blind, so we learn the same lessons.
I don't know how to put it in another way, but, in terms of time in the scale of the universe, we progress quite rapidly.
So have faith.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - unity100 - 12-28-2018
(11-28-2018, 11:05 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: I must admit, with all the people on earth seemingly stuck in the "sinkhole of indifference", that I am having a really hard time reconciling this with what Q'uo is saying here about the "seniority system of incarnations".
Seniority of incarnations means that from within a given lot of spirits to incarnate, those who are the most advanced would be queued first for incarnation, whatever their level of advancement may be.
Those entities may or may not fulfill the criteria which you or someone else may have to qualify some entity as an advanced or enlightened soul.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Signifyz - 12-28-2018
This quote helps me when I think about it.
Q'uo in Feb 3, 2018 channeling Wrote:We would ask you, however, to keep one thing in mind, and that is, the simple message that we have to bring: All is one. And so, when you contemplate that simple truth from a very practical point of view, it yields the conclusion that you are the one whose conduct is giving you difficulty. You are not two, but one, with the miscreant. You are not two, but one with the criminal; you are not two, but one with the other one who wishes not only to sleep, but within that sleep, to reach out and do harm.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - redchartreuse - 01-05-2019
(12-28-2018, 02:59 PM)unity100 Wrote: Seniority of incarnations means that from within a given lot of spirits to incarnate, those who are the most advanced would be queued first for incarnation, whatever their level of advancement may be.
So then you would agree that those in the sinkhole are at least as "advanced" as anybody else here?
I'm having a really hard time reconciling this with the idea about earth being a repository for bellicose souls who destroyed their home planet and who now refuse to fulfill the basic purpose for incarnation in third density.
Quote:Those entities may or may not fulfill the criteria which you or someone else may have to qualify some entity as an advanced or enlightened soul.
Generally speaking, I think it is fairly safe to say that people who are so bellicose as to commit planeticide do not appear to fit any definition of "spiritually advanced" or "enlightened." But, in the final analysis, my own personal criteria are irrelevant to the query.
What I'm referring to here are the definitions and criteria set out by Q'uo:
1. The purpose of third density is to choose a polarity.
2. There are large swaths of earth population who steadfastly refuse to choose, i.e. the so-called "sinkhole of indifference."
3. These are ostensibly the most advanced of the lot.
Perhaps I am confused about the defining criteria of this "lot of spirits" who are eligible to incarnate on earth in the first place. Surely, there are a near infinite number of more advanced spirits in the Creation than these?
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Cainite - 01-05-2019
It means advanced souls can enter incarnation any time here if they want and the way they want.
not that only advanced 3d souls are allowed or sth.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - redchartreuse - 01-05-2019
(01-05-2019, 04:03 PM)Cainite Wrote: It means advanced souls can enter incarnation any time here if they want and the way they want.
not that only advanced 3d souls are allowed or sth.
Ahhh, so are you saying that it is incorrect to presume that all souls incarnated here are the most advanced of the lot?
So like... the more advanced souls get "first dibs" at the available incarnations, and the less advanced souls make use of what's left?
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - AnthroHeart - 01-05-2019
I think we're getting mixed up on what's more advanced soul on the other side of the veil, and a more advanced soul here.
A more advanced soul on the other side won't always be spiritual on this side on Earth with such a heavy veil.
I think there are so many highly spiritual souls waiting in line for a chance at Earth.
When they get here, they forget their mission. Then they act in ways that are unbecoming of a spiritual adept (from the other side).
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - flofrog - 01-05-2019
I agree Wolfe and that is why we cannot judge really anyone, or anyone 's level
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Cainite - 01-06-2019
(01-05-2019, 04:33 PM)redchartreuse Wrote:(01-05-2019, 04:03 PM)Cainite Wrote: It means advanced souls can enter incarnation any time here if they want and the way they want.
not that only advanced 3d souls are allowed or sth.
Ahhh, so are you saying that it is incorrect to presume that all souls incarnated here are the most advanced of the lot?
So like... the more advanced souls get "first dibs" at the available incarnations, and the less advanced souls make use of what's left?
Yeah. Ra said that less advanced 3d entities enter an incarnation by the plan of their higherselves. but an entity that's more advanced gets to choose his parents, country, and other things about the incarnation himself. that's what I meant..
If only advanced souls were here there would be A LOT less suffering and that would hinder the growth rate. and I also wouldn't be lied to almost every day.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Cainite - 01-06-2019
(01-05-2019, 09:50 PM)flofrog Wrote: I agree Wolfe and that is why we cannot judge really anyone, or anyone 's level
Yet we do think it still.. we may decide that saying it is bad but that changes nothing.
edit :
btw I mean no disrespect and don't think you're being dishonest.
also I think the veil rarely keeps an advanced entity blind for longer than 30 years.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - redchartreuse - 01-08-2019
(01-06-2019, 02:56 AM)Cainite Wrote: Yeah. Ra said that less advanced 3d entities enter an incarnation by the plan of their higherselves. but an entity that's more advanced gets to choose his parents, country, and other things about the incarnation himself. that's what I meant..
Ra also said (emphasis mine), "The true opportunities for conscious catalyst are not a function of the earth changes but of the result of the seniority system of incarnations which at the time of the harvest has placed in incarnation those whose chances of using life experiences to become harvestable are the best."
And yet, so many in the sinkhole?
Quote:If only advanced souls were here there would be A LOT less suffering and that would hinder the growth rate. and I also wouldn't be lied to almost every day.
Well isn't that the truth?
"There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty."
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Cainite - 01-08-2019
(01-08-2019, 02:28 AM)redchartreuse Wrote:(01-06-2019, 02:56 AM)Cainite Wrote: Yeah. Ra said that less advanced 3d entities enter an incarnation by the plan of their higherselves. but an entity that's more advanced gets to choose his parents, country, and other things about the incarnation himself. that's what I meant..
Ra also said (emphasis mine), "The true opportunities for conscious catalyst are not a function of the earth changes but of the result of the seniority system of incarnations which at the time of the harvest has placed in incarnation those whose chances of using life experiences to become harvestable are the best."
And yet, so many in the sinkhole?
We have become technologically advanced. the negative elite have more control over and means to brainwash the masses.
Distractions that were not there before, such as social media also induce sleep.
There are more shiny things now in the modern world. like cars , expensive vacations, .. that invokes more envy.
70 percent of internet is porn. (if the article I read didn't lie)
, etc.
Many don't have any idea at all what they really want.
Those that can't/couldn't incarnate had even lesser chance at being harvested until full transformation of earth to 4D happens.
(01-08-2019, 02:28 AM)redchartreuse Wrote: Well isn't that the truth?
"There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty."
Seriously how hard can it be?
I have a hard time not being honest.. if I had the talent of the locals I could get good jobs and actually keep them. lol
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - thefool - 01-08-2019
It is quite possible that the harvest is mixed and many are polarizing towards the negative spectrum.
Personally, all we can control is our own polarization and our own light. I think as we do that, we attract more like-minded people and harmony in our lives. What others are doing is always a mystery but also a reflection of what we are focusing on. We wouldn't normally encounter a catalyst if we didn't need it.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Minyatur - 01-08-2019
(11-28-2018, 11:05 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: These are the most likely to grow... in all the universe? I don't follow. Seems like something has gone awry with the spiritual growth process to me. I am failing to see the perfection here. Any help?
Why do you think all 3D souls of this entire Universe need to converge on this small planet of this small solar system at the very edge of this particular galaxy?
I think the planet has a setting that works particular lessons and so souls incarnating here are at a point in their development where their lessons resonate with what can learned from this environment. There's always elsewhere to have infinitely otherwise. This world has its own place and purpose within things.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - AnthroHeart - 01-08-2019
(01-08-2019, 02:30 PM)Cainite Wrote: 70 percent of internet is porn. (if the article I read didn't lie)
It's also called yiff in the furry fandom. That's not all that it is about, but sex is pretty big in this fandom like it is in other fandoms.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - unity100 - 01-11-2019
(01-05-2019, 03:46 PM)redchartreuse Wrote:(12-28-2018, 02:59 PM)unity100 Wrote: Seniority of incarnations means that from within a given lot of spirits to incarnate, those who are the most advanced would be queued first for incarnation, whatever their level of advancement may be.
So then you would agree that those in the sinkhole are at least as "advanced" as anybody else here?
There is no guarantee that the majority of people here are more advanced. They may be, they may not be.
Quote:I'm having a really hard time reconciling this with the idea about earth being a repository for bellicose souls who destroyed their home planet and who now refuse to fulfill the basic purpose for incarnation in third density.
The incarnations of those people have been ongoing since 750,000 years. Seniority changed a lot in the meantime. For almost entirety of last 75,000 years this was a 3d planet. Its only since 1937 that it moved into 4d vibrations.
Quote:Quote:Those entities may or may not fulfill the criteria which you or someone else may have to qualify some entity as an advanced or enlightened soul.
Generally speaking, I think it is fairly safe to say that people who are so bellicose as to commit planeticide do not appear to fit any definition of "spiritually advanced" or "enlightened." But, in the final analysis, my own personal criteria are irrelevant to the query.
That's incorrect - negative entities that are advanced enough may do such an act like destroying a planet. Possibly not in higher densities of negative, but late 3d - early 4d should be destructive enough.
Quote:2. There are large swaths of earth population who steadfastly refuse to choose, i.e. the so-called "sinkhole of indifference."
3. These are ostensibly the most advanced of the lot.
That is unlikely. The most advanced should be more susceptible to the effects of law of responsibility, which would force them to take action.
Quote:Perhaps I am confused about the defining criteria of this "lot of spirits" who are eligible to incarnate on earth in the first place. Surely, there are a near infinite number of more advanced spirits in the Creation than these?
Why should they come here? This is a planet on the outer recesses of the galaxy which it inhabits. Its just a planet, like the many others.
Only entities which are suitable for this particular planet and need something from its experiential nexus would come here.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - TheSeekersLighthouse - 01-20-2019
Honestly, I have seen positive changes birthing in amongst all the world negativity if you read between the lines. The press is designed to print negative news, but from my point of view, much positive change has been happening, I have seen people wake up who i never thought would wake up in this life!
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - flofrog - 01-20-2019
(01-20-2019, 10:17 AM)TheSeekersLighthouse Wrote: Honestly, I have seen positive changes birthing in amongst all the world negativity if you read between the lines. The press is designed to print negative news, but from my point of view, much positive change has been happening, I have seen people wake up who i never thought would wake up in this life!
Interesting Seeker, I see the same thing today.
I remember in 2003, my children and I went on a hiking trip which took us to Tibet, on the first day we met our guide who was Tibetan and had a shadow who was a young Chinese officer who never talked to us, just observed us, and definitely was taking us for low rated humans, but we must have passed mustard as he then disappeared. Our guide stayed with us the next day, and then we were on our own. At the time the repression was full blowing and Lhasa had on one side authentic Tibetan buildings of rare simple beauty, and on the other side plenty of square boxes covered with white tiles built by the Chinese, which were pretty awful and they were fast growing and erasing the older Tibetan buildings. You had to be very careful in not mentioning ever the dalai lama, or not having brought with you photos of him. We visited monasteries, some had only Tibetans, some had a few Chinese monks. But what was really interesting was that in Lhasa and another smaller city, older Chinese were behaving very openly as masters, similar to the attitude of the germans occupying france, but you could see some younger Chinese mingling with younger Tibetans in a very quiet way. After we left, about three months later, was a rebellious protest led by a mix of Tibetans and Maoist young Chinese which took place in Lhasa. You could really see this in a subtle way, and it was striking because of the very stark attitude of the other Chinese. It was intensely courageous when you know how meticulous about power and organized the Chinese are.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - redchartreuse - 01-20-2019
(01-11-2019, 09:54 AM)unity100 Wrote: Why should they come here? This is a planet on the outer recesses of the galaxy which it inhabits. Its just a planet, like the many others.
I think you know the answer to this..? They are responding to a call.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - kristina - 03-13-2019
(01-06-2019, 02:56 AM)Cainite Wrote:I do not ever remember reading that. Would you knidly point out the quote from Ra? Thanks much.(01-05-2019, 04:33 PM)redchartreuse Wrote:(01-05-2019, 04:03 PM)Cainite Wrote: It means advanced souls can enter incarnation any time here if they want and the way they want.
not that only advanced 3d souls are allowed or sth.
Ahhh, so are you saying that it is incorrect to presume that all souls incarnated here are the most advanced of the lot?
So like... the more advanced souls get "first dibs" at the available incarnations, and the less advanced souls make use of what's left?
Yeah. Ra said that less advanced 3d entities enter an incarnation by the plan of their higherselves. but an entity that's more advanced gets to choose his parents, country, and other things about the incarnation himself. that's what I meant..
If only advanced souls were here there would be A LOT less suffering and that would hinder the growth rate. and I also wouldn't be lied to almost every day.
RE: 2018_1020 - Seniority System of Incarnations - Minyatur - 03-13-2019
(03-13-2019, 04:27 PM)kristina Wrote:(01-06-2019, 02:56 AM)Cainite Wrote:I do not ever remember reading that. Would you knidly point out the quote from Ra? Thanks much.(01-05-2019, 04:33 PM)redchartreuse Wrote:(01-05-2019, 04:03 PM)Cainite Wrote: It means advanced souls can enter incarnation any time here if they want and the way they want.
not that only advanced 3d souls are allowed or sth.
Ahhh, so are you saying that it is incorrect to presume that all souls incarnated here are the most advanced of the lot?
So like... the more advanced souls get "first dibs" at the available incarnations, and the less advanced souls make use of what's left?
Yeah. Ra said that less advanced 3d entities enter an incarnation by the plan of their higherselves. but an entity that's more advanced gets to choose his parents, country, and other things about the incarnation himself. that's what I meant..
If only advanced souls were here there would be A LOT less suffering and that would hinder the growth rate. and I also wouldn't be lied to almost every day.
Quote:21.9 ▶ Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?
Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.
Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.
As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.
During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.
Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.
21.10 ▶ Questioner: When incarnation ceases to become automatic I am assuming that the entity can decide when he needs to reincarnate for the benefit of his own learning. Does he also select his parents?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct