(10-24-2018, 09:15 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: If one were to become 4D negative for some reason, wouldn't they be a slave?
There isn't physical sensations I don't believe, so you can't be tortured.
I don't think, but not sure, there is psychological torture either.

So say you find yourself in 4D negative. Wouldn't you over a short period find yourself to be negative too,
because the negativity is a gravity well. You couldn't keep your light.

And then 5D negative has solitude. Something a lot of us seek here in 3D.

Though finding yourself in 4D negative might be disconcerting, I don't think it's hell
because I don't think you suffer torture and stuff. I think it's just a big challenge.
But it's not like the fires of 3D. There is less catalyst there.

(10-24-2018, 06:09 PM)Cyan Wrote: In the negative you become god instead of living in gods light, its a minor distinction, true hell and the power structures you mention are in the late 3rd, being forced to reincarnate into a veiled situation because you acted in an unloving manner is much more helllike that being born into a one minded hell that simply stares at you. I feel it would be people frozen in place and only responding when you give them light and all of creation would become like frozen glass.

(10-24-2018, 10:26 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(10-24-2018, 06:09 PM)Cyan Wrote: In the negative you become god instead of living in gods light, its a minor distinction, true hell and the power structures you mention are in the late 3rd, being forced to reincarnate into a veiled situation because you acted in an unloving manner is much more helllike that being born into a one minded hell that simply stares at you. I feel it would be people frozen in place and only responding when you give them light and all of creation would become like frozen glass.

Here's my experience. Your spiritual gravity simply overwhelms the m/b/s's of others around you so you basically project your distortions onto others to the extent that you basically interact with only a negative reflection. Yeah, it feels like godhood, but simply due to the ability to parse pure light from any catalyst endured. Pure access to infinite intelligence...

Also it's hell, but it's also the opportunity to return with Heaven. The process of ascending valhalla, and returning with salvation for all. The hero's journey and all that.

And so it's hell, but for a good reason. Because instead of passively viewing the self, the self instead decided to explore the disbursement of all distortions. This creating the Sith tendency of individuals to move beyond the octave, and then pull a single individual up to their level. (usually as a pair of DJs, or video game developers-high status, density free)

Thoughts?

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The orange ray is that influence or vibratory pattern wherein the mind/body/spirit expresses its power on an individual basis. Thus power over individuals may be seen to be orange ray. This ray has been quite intense among your peoples on an individual basis. You may see in this ray the treating of other-selves as non-entities, slaves, or chattel, thus giving other-selves no status whatever.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-self choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

Quote:38.14 ▶ Questioner: All right, I’ll just ask this one. I have here that— could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a fourth-density negative or self-service planet? Can you do this?

Ra: I am Ra. The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form the dominant patterns of combined energy.

The early fourth density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.

This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can only come about through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.

You may ask more specific questions in the next session of working. Are there any brief queries before we leave this instrument.

(10-25-2018, 01:26 AM)blossom Wrote: Orange, seduction through orange ray center.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The orange ray is that influence or vibratory pattern wherein the mind/body/spirit expresses its power on an individual basis. Thus power over individuals may be seen to be orange ray. This ray has been quite intense among your peoples on an individual basis. You may see in this ray the treating of other-selves as non-entities, slaves, or chattel, thus giving other-selves no status whatever.

(32.2)

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-self choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

85.11


In regard to OP's question.

Quote:38.14 ▶ Questioner: All right, I’ll just ask this one. I have here that— could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a fourth-density negative or self-service planet? Can you do this?

Ra: I am Ra. The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form the dominant patterns of combined energy.

The early fourth density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.

This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can only come about through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.

You may ask more specific questions in the next session of working. Are there any brief queries before we leave this instrument.

(10-25-2018, 04:33 PM)xise Wrote: Imagine life in a community-pyramid of 3D highly polarized STS people like Genghis Khan and Himmler, then remove the veil and add telepathy, and I think that captures a lot of what early 4D STS is like.