(03-28-2018, 05:05 AM)MangusKhan Wrote: Radiocarbon dating is only useful for determining the age of organic substances. So if we're talking about a giant stone head, or massive drawings in the earth, then I'm not sure how you could use the process of organic radioactive decay to put an age on the structures themselves. Obviously if you try to use carbon dating to find the age of the organic remnants in the area, you will just find the date of the last group of people who lived there.

I have to say though, for drawings supposedly made by advanced extraterrestrials, those Nazca figures are pretty sloppy.

(03-27-2018, 10:43 PM)DynamicBri Wrote: Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are made with the power of thought to invoke a sense of power influence (such as a governing force) and awe in the viewer. But there is overwhelming evidence suggesting that these heads are created by humans.

Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are 60,000 years old but carbon dating suggests they are created from 1100 to 1620 AD.
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=blsknwEpGSoC&pg=PA100&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Ra says that the Nazca Lines were at least 60,000 years ago. Archeology suggests that they are created by the Nazca people. Wooden stakes were found at the end of some of the lines and were carbon dated to 525 AD. These stakes were remnants of land surveying tools used by the Nazca people. Furthermore, the Nasca lines are shallow lines created by moving a top layer of small rocks.  As of 2012, the lines are said to have been deteriorating because of an influx of squatters inhabiting the lands. How in the world would the lines be 60,000 years old?
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1V-BIdlc9YEC&pg=PA6&dq=joe+nickell+nazca+lines&cd=1&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=carbon&f=false

(The relevant Ra transcripts start at 20.30 and end near the end of the session.)

Quote:Gary: Thank you for asking [if that answered my question]. I think there was a misunderstanding. Please correct me if I’m wrong. My question wasn’t about the free will of fourth-density inhabitants being affected when third density cycles again, rather, my question was about the free will of the third-density inhabitants being affected when they encounter the artifacts and remnants of our own global civilization.

By what you just said, it may be tens of millions of years before third density cycles again, in which case, Earth will have erased or removed much of our history, but we presently can go back many hundreds of millions, even billions of years in our archeological record, so the question being, when the new third-density cycle activates, and there are new third-density beings who become sophisticated enough, at least, to look into the archeological record, how does that affect their free will to learn of a global civilization that no longer exists.

Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and we are again with this instrument. The traces, as you might call them, of past civilizations are, as you have noted, easily erased by the sands of time. We ask you to contemplate the mystery of past civilizations upon your own planet— the land of Lemuria being one, the land of Atlantis being another. These were great civilizations that have vanished almost without a trace, and are mostly known through legends, even though there have been some who have assiduously searched for these traces, having been alerted by the legends.

Now there are some traces of earlier civilizations currently upon your planet—we call your attention to the statues on Easter Island that are an early remnant of interactions between an earthly population and another earthly source, and so these remnants may, in fact, be in place, and they will be seen as a source of possible mystery, but in general, their presence does not greatly interfere with the free will of those who are learning the lessons of third density, uppermost in importance of which, is the making of the choice.

So, it may be possible that at the latter end of its master cycle of development, a civilization may become aware of traces upon its planet of earlier civilizations. These, in general, do not constitute abrogations of free will in any significant way.

(03-28-2018, 10:36 PM)DynamicBri Wrote: Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

(03-29-2018, 10:47 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(03-28-2018, 10:36 PM)DynamicBri Wrote: Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

As johncarson noted, Ra mentions that humans tried to replicate the heads at later times.

I remember watching a PBS documentary not very long ago where they were trying to construct and move a (very large) scale model of one of the heads, and failed. Idk. If we believe they were created at a distance by thought, it's possible that thought gave them an ambiguous date of conception.

(03-28-2018, 10:36 PM)DynamicBri Wrote: So the Nazca lines are a bit of a mystery but I thought I'd present the little evidence available. I forgot to mention, the Nasca depictions are cartoony looking animals that are congruent with the artistic expression of the Nasca people. I'm quivering right now Orion. Complete state of awe.

But golly, the archeology done on the heads is quite extensive. When I say, "the evidence is overwhelming" I am not referring to just the carbon-dating, the carbon dating is only part of the picture. Given the nature of the comments, I've concluded that my emphasis on the carbon-dating was misleading.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

(03-29-2018, 09:25 PM)johncarson698 Wrote:

(03-28-2018, 10:36 PM)DynamicBri Wrote: So the Nazca lines are a bit of a mystery but I thought I'd present the little evidence available. I forgot to mention, the Nasca depictions are cartoony looking animals that are congruent with the artistic expression of the Nasca people. I'm quivering right now Orion. Complete state of awe.

But golly, the archeology done on the heads is quite extensive. When I say, "the evidence is overwhelming" I am not referring to just the carbon-dating, the carbon dating is only part of the picture. Given the nature of the comments, I've concluded that my emphasis on the carbon-dating was misleading.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

i do agree 60k sounds a little far fetched.  i think Ra may have misplaced a 0 like he does quite often. 6k sounds more reasonable lol.

Anyways, i honestly would take archaeologists findings with a grain of salt, and you really dont know if they are talking about things done by copy catters or orion.  Also, they are often times not very accurate.  Their whole history is screwed up, i think we can all agree with that.  I just dont think its worth thinking.

(04-01-2018, 11:06 AM)unity100 Wrote: Most unfortunately Archaeology is also still in infancy, just like many other social sciences. Assumptions and modern cultural biases affect a lot of interpretations and findings.

For example up until mid 1990s it was accepted that an Egyptian female mummy having tattoos was a sign of low class origin of the person. As a result of social perceptions pertaining to tattoos in modern society. This is despite high status mummies like head priestesses of Hathor having sizable tattoos.

Only after the perception of tattoos changed in mid 90s, the truth that was staring in the face of Egyptologists all those years was accepted. Before that, it was heresy to propose otherwise.

Another good example is Pyramids.

Pyramids were supposed to have been developed over time, in order, all the way from early mastabah to the great pyramid.

But, for some reason, all the elaborate funeral implements, murals, decorations and architecture seen in all the other pyramids are not found in the great pyramid. There is one room we call king's room, and in it there is one casket in which khufu was put. The room is empty otherwise, and even if you propose that the room was emptied by grave robbers, the lack of any decoration, scripture to guide the spirit to after life, wall paintings to depict the life of the deceased who owns the pyramid are missing. Which would mean that anyone who was buried there would not be able to find his way to afterlife, which would be considered an unimaginable risk by Egyptians at that time.

Or, how Sphinx is supposed to be a few thousand years old as the great pyramid, but as have been proposed in a paper some years ago, its foundation shows the patterns of erosion from flooding rains, which could only have happened when Egypt was a rainforest zone some 10,000+ years ago.

And carbon dating accuracy is not 100%

https://www.labmate-online.com/news/news-and-views/5/breaking-news/how-accurate-is-carbon-dating/30144