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Orion numbers - DynamicBri - 03-26-2018 These two quotes seem to contradict each other. One says that 4th and 5th density have equal numbers of Orionites, and other says that there are few 5th density beings. Or does 62.18 apply to just the entities at the top of the pecking order? What do you think? Quote:62.18 ▶ Questioner: Then what do the ones at the top of the pecking order of the Orion group— well, let me first ask this: Are we talking about the fourth-density group now? Quote:7.15 ▶ Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group? Edit: Then we have another one that contradicts the second quote. Quote:48.6 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. That cleared it up very well. A very important point. Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause work in consciousness? RE: Orion numbers - MangusKhan - 03-26-2018 I have seen this discrepancy before, the only thing I can think of is that the concept of "orion group" can be interpreted two ways, and so the communication gets confused. One way is to interpret it as the whole of the negative thought complex, which involves not only the social memory complexes which go on crusades through space and time in order to recruit souls to their complex, but also those higher density beings (5th and 6th) which are negative, but which no longer are involved with the organisation, having a reached a level of development in which they can progress without the use of others, having already learned the lessons of self-love which competing in a negative memory complex teaches. The other way is to interpret it as only those beings which actively crusade, which excludes those high-density beings who have disconnected from the organisation in order to progress in a solitary manner, which is apparently most of them. I am not certain about this though, so regard the information here as speculative. RE: Orion numbers - xise - 03-26-2018 I'd guess one of two things: (1) transmission error or (2) The quotes are consistent. Most of the higher rank Orions are fourth and a few are fifth density. However, there are a lot of lower rank Orions in fifth as well and maybe in sixth. Perhaps the lower rank indicates they are retiring or otherwise not interested in controlling others as much as they longer see any value whatsoever in the otherself - something that Ra talks about in another session. Edit: Posted this before reading the above reply, but it seems we both came to the same speculation. RE: Orion numbers - DynamicBri - 03-27-2018 Ah yes, that is 48.6. After reading that transcript, I'm thinking there is a transmission error in "There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization." Since two transcripts now run in contradiction to it. (03-26-2018, 11:53 PM)xise Wrote: I'd guess one of two things: (1) transmission error or (2) The quotes are consistent. Most of the higher rank Orions are fourth and a few are fifth density. However, there are a lot of lower rank Orions in fifth as well and maybe in sixth. Perhaps the lower rank indicates they are retiring or otherwise not interested in controlling others as much as they longer see any value whatsoever in the otherself - something that Ra talks about in another session. RE: Orion numbers - Infinite - 03-27-2018 I already know the contradiction between 7.15 and 62.18. But, about 48.6 I believe Ra was talking about wanderers of fifth density of Orion Group. RE: Orion numbers - Cyan - 03-27-2018 "Larger number of 4ths, a similarly large number of 5ths." and "Not many 5ths for they do not see virtue in..." To me, means, even when put together and comparing their largest 4th and 5th groups, it is a small group. It is like saying there is 1 3rd density, 5 4th density, 5 5th density and 3 6th density, while there are 50.000 4th density STO's in the group RE: Orion numbers - Jade - 03-27-2018 I have a slightly different understanding and it may not be right. I believe in session 7, Ra is actually talking about percentages of negative and positive entities, not necessarily official Orion and Confederation numbers. Then later when Ra is talking about the Orion GROUP, Ra says that most negative 5th density entities do not see virtue/value in the grouping of entities, so they work alone. RE: Orion numbers - Infinite - 04-23-2020 Rereading the material, it seems to me that there was an error in session 7, because Ra was clear that it was Orion's group: Quote:Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization.(7.15) Well, Ra had some problems with numbers, so it's always a good idea to review what we can do when it comes to numbers. It makes more sense to me that there are few fifth density entities in the Orion group, for two reasons. First, because there are two responses against one. And second, the explanation of 48.6 is illuminating, the 5D entity seeks maximum separation. Even a negative group is something that limits your own ability to separate yourself from the rest of the universe. So, the Orion group should be mostly composed of 4D entities and only the leaders being fifth. RE: Orion numbers - Black Dragon - 04-23-2020 In hierarchical, authoritarian systems, a few always rule over many. I'd say the 4d is probably most prevalent, with smaller numbers of 5d and 6d. If they had more higher density, their system wouldn't work as effectively, because there would be "too many chiefs and not enough Indians"(sort of the way they would see it), so those 5 and 6d that find the organization a bit too crowded and competitive would go their own way. That is an odd discrepancy though. How many years apart are those quotes? The way time and space work the Orion Empire could look very different in the span of 20 of our years, which could have been a long time for them or connect to another timeline/probability of them where the numbers have changed, or are different. RE: Orion numbers - flow - 04-24-2020 imho 20 years is but a blink of an eye for 4 and 5 densities, which last for millions of years as we measure time. RE: Orion numbers - Infinite - 04-24-2020 (04-23-2020, 10:16 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: In hierarchical, authoritarian systems, a few always rule over many. I'd say the 4d is probably most prevalent, with smaller numbers of 5d and 6d. If they had more higher density, their system wouldn't work as effectively, because there would be "too many chiefs and not enough Indians"(sort of the way they would see it), so those 5 and 6d that find the organization a bit too crowded and competitive would go their own way. Well, that makes sense. (04-23-2020, 10:16 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: How many years apart are those quotes? The way time and space work the Orion Empire could look very different in the span of 20 of our years, which could have been a long time for them or connect to another timeline/probability of them where the numbers have changed, or are different. I think that 20 years is very little from the perspective of other densities. RE: Orion numbers - Dtris - 04-24-2020 I don't think this is really a discrepancy. 62.20 Questioner: What is the objective; what does the, shall we say, the leader, the one at the very top of the pecking order in fifth-density Orion, have as an objective? I would like to understand his philosophy with respect to his objectives and plans for what we might call the future or his future? Ra: I am Ra. This thinking will not be so strange to you. Therefore, we may speak through the densities as your planet has some negatively oriented action in sway at this space/time nexus. The early fifth-density negative entity, if oriented towards maintaining cohesion as a social memory complex, may in its free will determine that the path to wisdom lies in the manipulation in exquisite propriety of all other-selves. It then, by virtue of its abilities in wisdom, is able to be the leader of fourth-density beings which are upon the road to wisdom by exploring the dimensions of love of self and understanding of self. These fifth-density entities see the creation as that which shall be put in order. 7.16 Questioner: Using as an example a fifth-density group or social memory complex of the Orion group, what was their previous density before they became fifth density? Ra: I am Ra. The progress through densities is sequential. A fifth-density social memory complex would be comprised of mind/body/spirit complexes harvested from fourth density. Then the conglomerate or mass mind/body/spirit complex does its melding and the results are due to the infinitely various possibilities of combination of distortions. So we know that Orion has a great number of 4th density member groups. Which have to eventually proceed to 5th density. Once a group proceeds to 5th density negative, they decide whether to maintain the social memory complex and lead other 4th density negative groups, or whether to seek wisdom outside of a social memory complex. While speculation and never asked in the LOO, I think the answer in session 7 included the non-active alumni for lack of a better term. While the latter two answers were specifically dealing with active participation. RE: Orion numbers - Black Dragon - 04-24-2020 (04-24-2020, 08:26 AM)Infinite Wrote:Obviously in a purely linear sense, 20 years is nothing to higher densities. I'm not expert, I'm just saying that when dealing with distances between star systems and perhaps multiple timelines/probability vortices, things aren't always that clear cut.(04-23-2020, 10:16 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: In hierarchical, authoritarian systems, a few always rule over many. I'd say the 4d is probably most prevalent, with smaller numbers of 5d and 6d. If they had more higher density, their system wouldn't work as effectively, because there would be "too many chiefs and not enough Indians"(sort of the way they would see it), so those 5 and 6d that find the organization a bit too crowded and competitive would go their own way. RE: Orion numbers - Infinite - 04-24-2020 (04-24-2020, 08:44 AM)Dtris Wrote: So we know that Orion has a great number of 4th density member groups. Which have to eventually proceed to 5th density. Once a group proceeds to 5th density negative, they decide whether to maintain the social memory complex and lead other 4th density negative groups, or whether to seek wisdom outside of a social memory complex. Understand. It makes a little bit of sense, although we have no way of getting a definitive clarification on that. RE: Orion numbers - flow - 04-25-2020 July 1, 1990 Quote:...In fifth density positive and negative, one finds a good deal of isolation of entities, both positive and negative seeking the path that is its unique path, holding finally the wisdom of knowing itself totally. However, in fifth density positive, there is the constant flowing back towards community and communion, the communal meals, the communal services of worship and adoration to the one infinite Creator, and the happy blending of mates and friendship. RE: Orion numbers - Asolsutsesvyl - 04-26-2020 A key to resolving the apparent contradiction is that in session 7, "mass consciousnesses" are mentioned, i.e. groupings or complexes of individual consciousnesses. (When the word "entity" is mentioned for 6D at the end of the listing, it may be that a 6D entity is always a type of mass consciousness.) While distinct beings seem to be mentioned when it is said elsewhere that there are more in 4D than in 5D. I.e., the 4D and 5D beings join into roughly the same number of mass consciousnesses, but there is a much larger number of 4D beings than 5D beings joining into mass consciousnesses. RE: Orion numbers - dcprice - 04-27-2020 There is a material mentioned in Law of One called OASPHE that is said to be of an alliance commission. This OASPHE material has a definition for Orian/Orion/Orion Chief on PG 781; " a one time mortal of this or another corporeal world, who is an administrator over some ethereal world for a term of office. An ethereal rank below Nirvanian." Perhaps this explains further the complex of polarity with other dmensions.. |