(01-14-2017, 02:30 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: But why do I feel sadness and depression?

Is there a metaphysical reason?
Or is it a chemical imbalance in the brain?

(01-14-2017, 02:55 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(01-14-2017, 02:30 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: But why do I feel sadness and depression?

Is there a metaphysical reason?
Or is it a chemical imbalance in the brain?

I think you simply long for connections that 3rd density isn't really set up to facilitate. A common malady of wanderers (the desire to 'go home'). Thus, while there is both a mental, and physical component to your sadness, it is predominately a spiritual cause in my opinion. The mind reflects the inpourings of the spirit, and the body reflects the inpourings of the mind.

(01-14-2017, 04:24 PM)Manjushri Wrote: I'm gonna say it's the anti depressants.

(01-14-2017, 11:29 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I had to go to court when I wasn't on my meds. So it would be risky to get off of them.

And I've quit cold turkey, with no side effects in the past. But it took 6 months for my schizophrenic episodes to return.

(01-15-2017, 11:04 AM)SMC Wrote:

(01-14-2017, 11:29 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I had to go to court when I wasn't on my meds. So it would be risky to get off of them.

And I've quit cold turkey, with no side effects in the past. But it took 6 months for my schizophrenic episodes to return.

Gemwolf - do what works for you - you've been on a long, painful, trial and error journey with this - you're the best authority on this topic as it pertains to you
(- imo - it's highly irresponsible for anyone to advise you to stop your medication!)

I use/used every possible dietary supplement/nutrient, alternative healing form and yet 19 years ago I was so exhausted and desperate from being severely depressed (since 11 years old) that I tried sertraline.

WHAT A blessing!

It rebalanced my depleted brain neurotransmitters which were so low - after decades of emotional abuse, stress, trauma, assault and clinical depression.

sertraline SAVED MY LIFE

I went from being very suicidal - to being able to sleep, eat, not cry 24/7, and get out the front door to begin the journey to slowly heal and follow up with long term counselling, exercise, good nutrition, music, friends, etc etc etc

if someone here was a diabetic would people tell them to stop their insulin? - or an epileptic - to stop their anti-convulsion drugs...?

I lived with a friend with bipolar for 4 years - without lithium she would run into oncoming traffic ! 0_0

do people realise that Valium is derived from valerianic acid - which is found in the herb Valerian ? right?

LIFE IS CHEMICAL... it's all relative.... and unless you've studied medicine and psychiatry you don't get to advise Gemini (or me) what to do...

of course, certain drugs at certain dosages are wrong for certain people - but that's an individual truth - not a broad brush stroke about the drug itself.

Ideally you want to be as drug free as possible - but ideally you want to do what works best - rather than think you know enough to comment about others brain chemistry.

I have a lot of experience in working with mental health - as well as my own situation.

There are numerous threads over many years, where Gem discusses his mental health - and this anti-"pharma" 'advice' occurs every now and then -
I don't think it's what he's looking for in sharing his feelings and his situation

- (you can tell by his reply (in the above quote)...

also - members on b4 advocate the use of brain altering CHEMICALS (hallucinogens, weed, mdma, lsd and ayahuasca....) but diss drugs that help control schizophrenia and PTSD and depression.... (which are often caused by those recreational chemical drugs!)

talk about a double standard

:@

Quote:But by all means...tell us more of how you found the cure for what *ails you in the form of a pill.

Quote:...his decades of clinical work with patients, antidepressants work more often than not and that, most of the time, prescribing an antidepressant is not about making somebody “better than well” but rather helping to relieve a patient’s acute suffering enough that she can resume a semblance of normal life.

Quote: Kramer evinces such humility that no one could accuse him of being a pro-­medication ideologue. (He has never taken money from a drug company.) In fact, late in the book, after 200 pages of arguing that antidepressants work effectively, Kramer reveals that he himself is conservative in, if not hesitant about, prescribing antidepressants. “I rely heavily on psychotherapy, often postponing prescribing until I hit a roadblock,” he writes. “Even then, I tend, relative to the literature, to undermedicate patients, in every way — lower doses at shorter duration.”

Kramer tells three stories that are especially convincing. The first is about Osheroff v. Chestnut Lodge, a court case from the early 1980s. Raphael Osheroff, a kidney doctor who had been felled by anxiety and depression, ended up in a psychoanalytically oriented inpatient facility in Maryland, Chestnut Lodge, that eschewed medication. He deteriorated so dramatically there that a friend moved him to a different facility, which medicated him, allowing him to promptly recover. The ensuing court case — based on the failure of Chestnut Lodge to prescribe medication — played out over a number of years and was ultimately settled in Osheroff’s favor. It changed how the field approached prescribing; from that point on, the failure to prescribe antidepressants or other psychotropic medications could be grounds for a malpractice suit.

The second example involves Robert Liberman, who, as a medical student in 1961, published one of the first influential papers questioning the efficacy of psychiatric medication, “A Criticism of Drug Therapy in Psychiatry,” which argued (to oversimplify) that antidepressants like imipramine didn’t work — and to the extent that they did, it was due to the placebo effect. Liberman ended up as a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins, where he became depressed. Talk therapy didn’t relieve his woes — but taking an antidepressant did.

The final story may be the most dispositive. When Kramer began visiting psychiatric wards in the 1970s, they were filled with miserable, hollowed out people who were in what was then known as “end-state depression”; the only thing that differentiated these patients from psychotically catatonic patients is that these depressed patients would wring their hands. Kramer — and everyone he’s talked to — have not seen such patients in decades, a development he attributes to the advent of aggressive antidepressant prescription to forestall such dire outcomes.

Kramer is out to win the “antidepressant wars” in favor of the antidepressants. Is he right? I can’t say definitively that he is. Nobody could, or these drug debates would already have ended. But in my judgment he is. One can question whether I’m qualified to make that judgment. I’m neither a psychiatrist nor a statistician. But as the author of a book on mental illness, I’ve read deeply in the scientific and historical literature, including all the books attacking Big Pharma. Perhaps more relevantly, I have copious experience with taking antidepressants. Can I say with 100 percent certitude that they’ve worked? No. In fact, some of those drugs definitively did not work for me, and sometimes made my anxiety worse, or created inconvenient and, at times, intolerable side effects. But I’m pretty sure that without the tricyclic antidepressants of the 1980s I wouldn’t have made it through middle school without inpatient hospitalization. And Paxil gave me the closest I’ve ever had to full remission from anxiety and depression symptoms for about eight months in 1997 before it lost its effectiveness. Could this all have been placebo effect? Coincidence? Or even something as ineffable as the quality of my personal interactions with my psychopharmacologists, which some studies have shown can have a significant effect on a patient’s response? Perhaps. But I don’t think so. And, as Kramer amply demonstrates, reams of clinical anecdote, as well as a proper reading of the statistical research data, suggest otherwise.

(01-16-2017, 06:27 AM)SMC Wrote: Some s*** that I took way too personally cos I'm going through some stuff that spilled over here.

(01-16-2017, 08:04 AM)SMC Wrote: the anti-depressant I take is very simple - it balances the levels of serotonin in the brain - it's akin to insulin balancing the blood sugar level of diabetes... I was completely nervous about taking it and frightened - but it was completely the right thing for me