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Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - seejay21 - 07-15-2010
Quote:50.12 Questioner: Can you expand on the concept which is that it is necessary for an entity, during incarnation in the physical as we know it, to become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when the entity is aware of what he wants to do. Why must he come into an incarnation and lose conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way in which he hopes to act?I’m not sure why Ra chooses to use poker as an example. Maybe it’s a reference to the illusion being a game, alas I’d rather he’d use another analogy, as some may miss the message knowing nothing of poker. Anyway, I think that this is one of the most important quotes I have read in the LOO material. Important because it tells us exactly how to “win”. He tells us how to “be”.
Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.
In time/space and in the true color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.
Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin—and we stress begin—to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.
You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.
There is no other way. This is the exact nature of the game.
There has been a lot of excellent discussion on this form. Topics like the importance of increasing STO on our planet, defining what STO and STS traits are, who’s a bad guy, who’s a good guy, what percentage STO we are, and how do we tell? What is being STO, and what is being STS? Why all this suffering? Will we graduate to 4d and if not, then where do we go?
I want to share with you that you don’t have to worry about any of these things, nor any of the other suffering this world can bring. The only thing we need to do to “win” is to lay your cards face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.”
Note that you show your cards first.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Wander-Man - 07-15-2010
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RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Namaste - 07-15-2010
When I saw the title of this thread, that was the quote I was going to share. It's a wonderful one, a firm favourite from the entire series.
This part in particular...
Ra Wrote:You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.
Simply beautiful.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - unity100 - 07-15-2010
(07-15-2010, 03:00 AM)seejay21 Wrote: What is being STO, and what is being STS?
they are both imbalances.
Quote: Why all this suffering?
suffering, philosophically, is strain. strain exists, whenever a concept is forced beyond its balance, or its balance distorted greatly.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - seejay21 - 07-15-2010
(07-15-2010, 06:05 AM)Namaste Wrote: When I saw the title of this thread, that was the quote I was going to share. It's a wonderful one, a firm favourite from the entire series.
This part in particular...
Ra Wrote:You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.
Simply beautiful.
It's one of my favorites too! It is loaded with easter eggs! I like this part:
Quote: You may, during this incarnation begin—and we stress begin—to know your own cards
I think this is a reference that we all start each incarnation anew. We begin each one fresh to relearn, and reattempt the lessons of 3d.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Wander-Man - 07-20-2010
(07-15-2010, 09:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:(07-15-2010, 03:00 AM)seejay21 Wrote: What is being STO, and what is being STS?
they are both imbalances.
For some reason I lol'd @ this
Are you a Vulcan?
just kidding
:idea:
:idea:
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Aaron - 07-20-2010
(07-20-2010, 04:10 AM)Wander-Man Wrote:(07-15-2010, 09:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:(07-15-2010, 03:00 AM)seejay21 Wrote: What is being STO, and what is being STS?
they are both imbalances.
For some reason I lol'd @ this
Are you a Vulcan?
just kidding
:idea:
Haha, I know. I can just imagine unity100 flatly giving that line with a straight face, and it tickles my funny bone.
Perhaps they're both imbalances from the viewpoint of a sixth density entity, or the sixth density in general. But from our viewpoint, perhaps they can be better described as "biases"? The idea I have is that an imbalance would be a hinder to a sixth density entities progress, while a bias is actually necessary for our own progression at this time/space.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Monica - 07-24-2010
(07-20-2010, 10:08 AM)Aaron Wrote: The idea I have is that an imbalance would be a hinder to a sixth density entities progress, while a bias is actually necessary for our own progression at this time/space.
Good point! That is an important distinction.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - CarlS - 07-25-2010
Cool post. After reading the Law of One material and doing my own personal interpretation of it artistically I've also started using a deck of playing cards as my tarot deck. I self discovered what all the cards meant and will play a hand of Texas Hold'em with my other self (I'm a Gemini) and just play the cards out...turn my hand over first then flip my twins and see who wins. Of course there is a lot of fortune telling involved but it goes so quick because I knew from the start it's important not to remember. You have to let go and let the spirits have control because we live on a ghost ship of pirates and games are all that is entertaining and pirates are very strict about following the rules. It's knowing the rules of the game that's the hardest to learn. Of course cheaters, hacks and sharks are welcome too or there wouldn't be any drama and everyone likes drama!
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - unity100 - 07-25-2010
(07-20-2010, 10:08 AM)Aaron Wrote: Haha, I know. I can just imagine unity100 flatly giving that line with a straight face, and it tickles my funny bone.
they are both imbalances in that, everything is in unison - harming one, harms the self. neglecting self, neglects all.
while neglecting self, and serving others, a positive entity may give some happiness to other entities, but also, takes away some happiness, due to the decreased happiness of its own self, as a subset, member of the society. (not even mentioning entire existence).
while pleasing self, and harming others, the negative entity supposedly gives some pleasure to self, but, the amount of pleasure lessens due to the lessened pleasure, and suffering of others in its society/environment. (not even mentioning entire existence).
so, there can be only one understanding ; 'we'. 'us all' all containing all the existence, we know, and we know not.
it should be 'our' happiness, 'our' aims, 'our' desires. our joy. we should collectively decide everything, and make sure that all entities that consist of us, the infinity, is manifesting fully and happy with their manifestation as they can be.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Peregrinus - 07-26-2010
(07-25-2010, 04:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: it should be 'our' happiness, 'our' aims, 'our' desires. our joy. we should collectively decide everything, and make sure that all entities that consist of us, the infinity, is manifesting fully and happy with their manifestation as they can be.
Although Ra states that each third density planet population is a social memory complex in it's own right (11.3 - Maldek was third density and still termed a smc by Ra, though perhaps this is when in the indigo body state?), only a relatively small number of entities are to graduate out of this specific third density locale, and as new fourth density entities, they will begin, although knowing of unity, will not have "the understanding", which is the imbalanced yet complete understanding of unity; "understanding" being the prerequisite for graduation to the fifth density. The social memory complex, while in the fourth density physical, if I remember correctly, begins to form in 35 to 40 million years.
I agree with you though that "our" would be a word which provides a better idea of unity, but is incorrect in actuality.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Wander-Man - 07-30-2010
Quote:a positive entity may give some happiness to other entities, but also, takes away some happiness, due to the decreased happiness of its own self, as a subset, member of the society.
i don't think serving others decreases happiness !
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - unity100 - 07-30-2010
(07-30-2010, 03:27 AM)Wander-Man Wrote:Quote:a positive entity may give some happiness to other entities, but also, takes away some happiness, due to the decreased happiness of its own self, as a subset, member of the society.
i don't think serving others decreases happiness !
4d positive entities ignore their own selves in their activities. this hurts their own self. eventually leading to problems, and general stress and pain. in extreme cases, termination of the bodily vehicle.
'serving others' or 'serving self' does not make an entity get severed from its ties to entire existence. there will always be link in deep levels of existence, and the feelings, thoughts, state the entity is in will effect entire existence, entire 'creation' as some call it, through these deep links. and, any entity suffering due to any reason, will be a suffering of entire existence, creation. it doesnt matter whether you are trying to serve others while suffering yourself due to overexertion, or it doesnt matter whether you are serving and gratifying your own self, while harming others.
in short; because all is one (in unison, i prefer as a word actually), hurting or neglecting ANY part of that infinity, gives pain to infinity.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - Monica - 07-30-2010
(07-30-2010, 04:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: 4d positive entities ignore their own selves in their activities. this hurts their own self. eventually leading to problems, and general stress and pain.
Not necessarily. If the person is giving to others at the expense of self, then yes. An example would be the submissive wife whose sole purpose in life is to care for her husband and children, and neglects herself in sacrifice to them.
But in this case, the woman is not suffering because she is loving and serving others. She is suffering because she fails to love herself. That is the distinction.
Ra stated that it is necessary to love self as well as being 51+% STO, in order to be harvestable. There needn't be a conflict between serving/loving self and serving/loving other-selves.
A healthy STO will love both self and others, without conflict. A healthy STO won't need to refrain from serving others. A healthy STO won't get drained by serving others. A healthy STO will feel energized when serving others, because the energy flowing to others also flows thru self. A healthy STO takes care of self as well as serving others...recharges self, nourishes and nurtures self, so that there is an abundance which flows and service to others is given freely and joyfully.
(07-30-2010, 04:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: ...any entity suffering due to any reason, will be a suffering of entire existence, creation. it doesnt matter whether you are trying to serve others while suffering yourself due to overexertion, or it doesnt matter whether you are serving and gratifying your own self, while harming others.
in short; because all is one (in unison, i prefer as a word actually), hurting or neglecting ANY part of that infinity, gives pain to infinity.
This I agree with.
RE: Why The Face? um I mean Veil? - unity100 - 07-30-2010
(07-30-2010, 02:03 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(07-30-2010, 04:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: 4d positive entities ignore their own selves in their activities. this hurts their own self. eventually leading to problems, and general stress and pain.
Not necessarily. If the person is giving to others at the expense of self, then yes. An example would be the submissive wife whose sole purpose in life is to care for her husband and children, and neglects herself in sacrifice to them.
But in this case, the woman is not suffering because she is loving and serving others. She is suffering because she fails to love herself. That is the distinction.
Ra stated that it is necessary to love self as well as being 51+% STO, in order to be harvestable. There needn't be a conflict between serving/loving self and serving/loving other-selves.
A healthy STO will love both self and others, without conflict. A healthy STO won't need to refrain from serving others. A healthy STO won't get drained by serving others. A healthy STO will feel energized when serving others, because the energy flowing to others also flows thru self. A healthy STO takes care of self as well as serving others...recharges self, nourishes and nurtures self, so that there is an abundance which flows and service to others is given freely and joyfully.
ra has been saying that the polarity of entities nears 99% going towards the end of 4d. they also noted numerous times how strongly they sought to be of service, going to the extent of forfeiting themselves. combine this with the life experience and choices of the wanderer Jehoshuah, and then combine these with other tales of similar forfeiture we know, add to this mix the general pattern of entities of we know around us, and this puts out a picture.
in your example, the overexpending of self of the woman happens due to her love for her children and her desire to serve them results from this love. if, she loved herself equally, she would also serve her own self, and therefore she would take the necessary precautions not to neglect her own self and fall into dysfunction.
the approach you are talking about sounds more like a 5d and above approach, ie, one that contains wisdom in it. however, it seems to me that, there is some direct relation in between love, and service, in 4d.