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What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-02-2010
Hello from you, to you ;¬)
As we progress to fourth density, there is increasing cosmic energy flowing through us. Time is becoming faster and faster. Days, weeks and months are dashing by. Some people note "time speeds up when you get older", but to me that's not a satisfactory answer, it feels really fast. Ridiculously fast. Events planned months ahead come and go in a heartbeat. It's only just turned 2010 and we're halfway through the year already (!).
This ties in with memory too. I would like to briefly explain to you how my memory works, and see if it's similar to others on this board. I'm very curious as to see how many of us, if any, function in this manner.
I'll do this using illustrations as it puts the concept over in a much clearer fashion (and it's fun to do). Most people I meet are of the 'timeline' type, they see past events - to varying degrees, of course - in a linear fashion...
![[Image: timeline.gif]](http://subjectiveperspective.com/tmp/timeline.gif)
You can ask them about an event (A to Z in this example) in their lives, and not only will they will be able to recall great detail, they can place it in time. As an extreme example, a person I used to work with could tell you what she did, very precisely, at certain ages. How she felt, what she ate for dinner on her birthday etc. She could do this year-by-year.
I seem to operate in the complete opposite. There is no linear progression to the past, as I sense/remember it. There is now, and there is the past, which is singular (if that). All events seem to merge into one in that blobular past.
![[Image: blob.gif]](http://subjectiveperspective.com/tmp/blob.gif)
If someone asks me about an event that happened, it could be a week, a month, or a year ago. Even 10 years. If someone asks me what I did when I was X years old, well, they will witness someone with an incredibly still (edit: blank) mind. I struggle to remember names and birthdays too.
This is not to say I have a dysfunctional memory, as things that interest me retain very nicely indeed. Spiritual texts, philosophies, methodologies etc. are all immediately available without directed thought.
As I live more in the now, the past seems to flitter away, and the blob becomes more hazy. It seems to be moving at the same rate as time, hence, since we're all experiencing faster time, I wondered whether memory was part of the equation, at least for some of us.
Update: Gemini Wolf expressed the feeling very accurately...
(07-06-2010, 01:11 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I always feel that the amount of time I've been alive for feels like the same amount of time from when I woke up this morning. My 33 years of life seem no longer than the last 5 hours.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, a handful of words was worth two pictures :¬)
A key factor I have only just realised when previewing this post is that some of the people I meet with a timeline memory are identified with their past. They repeat stories in which to re-enforce their perception of identity/self. Not always, but in some cases.
The past is far less relevant to me, to the degree it's hardly ever brought to light.
So, what does time and memory mean to you as we move to fourth density, are you noticing differences in perception? Does any of this resonate with anyone? :¬)
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-02-2010
I love your illustrations... Did you do them?
As far as I know as a psychologist memory works the way you describe it. People who have what you describe as a more linear memory are just better at remembering dates and the order of things. There is no linear storage like on a video tape. We tend to store like alongside like. So things that resemble each other are stored together. Which explains why we are more likely to mix up memories that were very similar versus memories that are generated closer together in time.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-02-2010
Yes, always been a doodler - thank you :¬)
In that case, perhaps we subconsciously add more weight to memories that serve us, i.e. are aligned with our beliefs and goals.
Has anyone still noticed a change in their memory as we approach the harvest?
RE: What is time and memory to you? - norral - 07-02-2010
thanks for asking that Namaste
ive been having this weird feeling lately. let me see if i can describe it.
i have felt as though everything in the whole universe is happening
at one point instantaneously. its weird but i feel as though all events
everywhere are condensed into one point and all are occuring at the
same time. kind of like a zero point i guess u could say.
so the whole world lately for me has been occuring on the head of
a pin. i havent really felt this way before definitely different . the best
way i could describe it is that there is no time and no space.
norral
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-03-2010
(07-02-2010, 09:17 PM)norral Wrote: the whole world lately for me has been occuring on the head of a pin
I love that analogy.
It sounds as if you are living very much in the now. How is your memory 'feeling' to you, clear, in terms of time, or more of a blob?
RE: What is time and memory to you? - norral - 07-03-2010
(07-03-2010, 07:25 AM)Namaste Wrote:(07-02-2010, 09:17 PM)norral Wrote: the whole world lately for me has been occuring on the head of a pin
I love that analogy.
It sounds as if you are living very much in the now. How is your memory 'feeling' to you, clear, in terms of time, or more of a blob?
clear in terms of time but definitely better for longer periods of time
than very short term. i love your doodles. what a great talent !!
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-03-2010
(07-02-2010, 06:45 PM)Namaste Wrote: In that case, perhaps we subconsciously add more weight to memories that serve us, i.e. are aligned with our beliefs and goals.Oh absolutely
and not just memories each perception works the same. We have a tendency to see/remember things that prove what we think to be true.Quote:Has anyone still noticed a change in their memory as we approach the harvest?Not so much its getting worse but that might be age
RE: What is time and memory to you? - LsavedSmeD - 07-03-2010
I have come to an excellent conclusion, in my humble opinion.
Older individuals believe that as they have been getting older time is speeding up, yet the next generation is born into this speeding up of time and are accustomed to the effects until they get older hence they begin to feel the time speeding up because it is doing so in their life time and generations to come.
And so on and so forth.
Does this make sense?
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-03-2010
(07-03-2010, 11:46 AM)norral Wrote: clear in terms of time but definitely better for longer periods of time
than very short term. i love your doodles. what a great talent !!
Do you find meditation - a still mind - quite easy? The more I live with mindfulness, the easier it becomes to let go during meditation. Thank you!
(07-03-2010, 12:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Oh absolutely
Makes complete sense. Been there, done that :¬)
Quote:Not so much its getting worse but that might be age
Let's hope not!
(07-03-2010, 04:43 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: Older individuals believe that as they have been getting older time is speeding up, yet the next generation is born into this speeding up of time and are accustomed to the effects until they get older hence they begin to feel the time speeding up because it is doing so in their life time and generations to come.
That's a very interesting perspective, and a most plausible one. It does imply however, that older people are not keeping up with the faster energy (and hence it feels faster).
I have just remembered, in David Wilcock's Awake and Aware conference, he mentions that time flows faster through a person when they are in states of higher consciousness (passion, joy, love etc.). This would indicate that those feeling time going faster are following their spiritual path (as Bashar states, excitement and passion are ways in which the higher self lets us know we're moving in the 'right' direction). Perhaps those who are in negative places are finding time going slowly. A good topic to contemplate and meditate upon I feel :¬)
RE: What is time and memory to you? - norral - 07-04-2010
(07-03-2010, 06:36 PM)Namaste Wrote:i find it easier to meditate now than before. but i find it easier to(07-03-2010, 11:46 AM)norral Wrote: clear in terms of time but definitely better for longer periods of time
than very short term. i love your doodles. what a great talent !!
Do you find meditation - a still mind - quite easy? The more I live with mindfulness, the easier it becomes to let go during meditation. Thank you!
(07-03-2010, 12:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Oh absolutely
Makes complete sense. Been there, done that :¬)
Quote:Not so much its getting worse but that might be age
Let's hope not!
(07-03-2010, 04:43 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: Older individuals believe that as they have been getting older time is speeding up, yet the next generation is born into this speeding up of time and are accustomed to the effects until they get older hence they begin to feel the time speeding up because it is doing so in their life time and generations to come.
That's a very interesting perspective, and a most plausible one. It does imply however, that older people are not keeping up with the faster energy (and hence it feels faster).
I have just remembered, in David Wilcock's Awake and Aware conference, he mentions that time flows faster through a person when they are in states of higher consciousness (passion, joy, love etc.). This would indicate that those feeling time going faster are following their spiritual path (as Bashar states, excitement and passion are ways in which the higher self lets us know we're moving in the 'right' direction). Perhaps those who are in negative places are finding time going slowly. A good topic to contemplate and meditate upon I feel :¬)
disconnect from this world in general. God bless us Namaste as we
all travel on this incredible journey. May all suffering be ended
soon soon soon and may we all be united soon in a higher dimension.
i really grow wearing of the seperation of this dimension my friend and
cant wait for it to end
norral
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Monica - 07-04-2010
(07-03-2010, 12:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote:(07-02-2010, 06:45 PM)Namaste Wrote: In that case, perhaps we subconsciously add more weight to memories that serve us, i.e. are aligned with our beliefs and goals.Oh absolutely
I see memories as snapshots, with those the most emotionally powerful being the ones that are remembered the most vividly. My experience as a Rebirther seemed to support this. I observed many people who couldn't remember a lot of details about their past in general, but remembered very astute details about traumatic, or otherwise emotionally intense, events.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-04-2010
That is true Monica... It is as you say, but state when storing the snapshot and state when retrieving the snapshot also ties into the equation. We're literally bombarded with millions of bits of information per second. We would be overwhelmed if we do not filter this information. We filter it down to a few hundred elements before it reaches our awareness. And all kinds of processes have evolved to streamline this process.
There's even evidence that when we lost something while drunk, and we can't remember where we left it... We might actually have a better chance of remembering where we put it if we first get drunk again. We bring the state back to what it was when we stored the memory and thereby make the memory more accessible.
This is logical there is a reason for this, for example you need the memories relating to your mother when she's around. And you don't need them to pop up when you're at work because then they'll only distract.
Also if we look at our relationship with another person.. This relationship is always a collection of good snapshots and bad snapshots. When we feel good about this person, we have a tendency to remember the good experiences and we don't remember the bad ones.. But then when we get into a fight with them, over anything at all. Suddenly the picture changes. We remember only the bad experiences and cannot remember the good things... Our state filters our perception.
Offcourse I'm over stating the above a little bit, healthy individuals only have this to a degree. But in psychology for example someone with a borderline personality disorder has this to such an extreme that they're sometimes literally unable to remember good things about someone they're angry with. And if they're forced to remember for example by someone telling them that. They will rationalize away the good things. "They only did that good thing because they wanted something of me". This causes enough problems to get them to find professional help.
Memory is really fascinating (And weird) stuff
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-04-2010
(07-04-2010, 02:19 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: This is logical there is a reason for this, for example you need the memories relating to your mother when she's around. And you don't need them to pop up when you're at work because then they'll only distract.
Also if we look at our relationship with another person.. This relationship is always a collection of good snapshots and bad snapshots. When we feel good about this person, we have a tendency to remember the good experiences and we don't remember the bad ones.. But then when we get into a fight with them, over anything at all. Suddenly the picture changes. We remember only the bad experiences and cannot remember the good things... Our state filters our perception.
I've experienced this myself, and have learnt the hard way about how selective memory can break - or make - a relationship.
Quote:This is logical there is a reason for this, for example you need the memories relating to your mother when she's around. And you don't need them to pop up when you're at work because then they'll only distract.
How apt! Talking about the nature of memory has made me remember reading about this subject a few years ago when studying as an NLP practitioner, it is fascinating. Might dig those old books out and give myself a refresher :¬)
Are you a professional psychologist Ali?
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-04-2010
Quote:How apt! Talking about the nature of memory has made me remember reading about this subject a few years ago when studying as an NLP practitioner, it is fascinating. Might dig those old books out and give myself a refresher :¬)Case in point! That's what this theory predicts.
And NLP is based heavily on this 'state' theory of memory and perception as far as I understand. Quote:Are you a professional psychologist Ali?I do have the degrees and the interest Namaste.
However during my studies I found a job, one that I still enjoy, when I finished the studies "slightly"
delayed but without any debt, my fellow students had been looking for work, some for years. Some were working without receiving pay, hoping to gain experience to get a real paying job and some were working receiving very little pay compared to what I was making. I had mortgages and a partner requiring that income. I just could not make the jump.So I unfortunately never was able to turn it into a profession. I'm still interested but a bit at a dead end. Maybe I'll have to invent a passage way somewhere. I just don't know where to. NLP incidentally is a big candidate
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-04-2010
It does seem rather backward that one can dedicate years of ones life in which to help others and contribute, and end up with huge debt. All while others can do nothing (still a valid choice, of course), and live off the service (and more to the point, taxes) of others. Many of my friends are still in debt from university. It is more financially rewarding (short term, and also medium-long term for many) to do nothing rather than attend university. Hmmmm.
(07-04-2010, 05:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Maybe I'll have to invent a passage way somewhere. I just don't know where to. NLP incidentally is a big candidate
You'd love NLP brother, all about the semantics of the human brain, learning techniques in which to 'tweak' patterns and habits.
Talking of inventing passages, there is a lot of Bashar content in which to do just that, by following your bliss/passion. He states that the physical mind (ego construct built to experience the illusion) often tries to do that job of the higher mind. The higher mind (an aspect of your higher self) is able to orchestrate the illusion, and is best trusted with that duty. This is done by trusting in the universe - having faith - and following your excitement day by day, hour by hour. I trust his words implicitly.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-05-2010
I agree.. Bashar produces excellent material. I have applied his teachings on many occasions. They are the most practical direct and non judgmental bits of advice that I've found.
Can you recommend a good starting point for someone interested in NLP, I do already know some of the basics. So "You'd love" isn't accurate, am already lovin' it!!!
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-05-2010
(07-05-2010, 03:33 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I agree.. Bashar produces excellent material. I have applied his teachings on many occasions. They are the most practical direct and non judgmental bits of advice that I've found.
Can you recommend a good starting point for someone interested in NLP, I do already know some of the basics. So "You'd love" isn't accurate, am already lovin' it!!!
Good question! It's a rather large topic. Because of your training in psychology - and hence interest in the human mind - have a look at meta models and meta programs. They are about how people think, and are a great way to understand people through their language. One example is how some people "move away" from problems, and others "move towards" goals. Very simple, but you can then use language which "fits" with the way their mind works.
For example, this statement (from an employer to an employee) puts forward the same concept:
"Take some time and understand the problem fully, we can avoid any pitfalls that way and find the best solution"
"Let's hit this problem and find the best solution!"
The former being away-from, the latter being towards. Using a 'towards' statement to an 'away-from' person can cause much unrest (pressure), and visa versa.
A great book on this subject is Words That Change Minds. Highly recommended.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Ali Quadir - 07-05-2010
Thanks Namaste, I will check out the book..
Incidentally this link came in the news today. I thought it was relevant enough to repost here.
http://i.imgur.com/a35vm.gif
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-05-2010
Thanks, great cartoon :¬)
RE: What is time and memory to you? - AnthroHeart - 07-06-2010
Have you recently watched the second hand of a clock? It does seem much faster each second as they tick away.
Hmm, hard to say if my memory is in linear timeline. I get memories of people, times, places that don't feel like they are part of my own physical incarnation. Though I don't know if I have memories of the "future".
Many times, memories for me are choppy, like a strobe light effect where the visuals get stuttery.
When I recall memories, I find it hard to know what happened before or after another event, unless I reference some prop or other marker in the memory.
I too have trouble remembering names, faces, etc. I always feel that the amount of time I've been alive for feels like the same amount of time from when I woke up this morning. My 33 years of life seem no longer than the last 5 hours.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Richard - 07-06-2010
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RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 07-06-2010
(07-06-2010, 01:11 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I always feel that the amount of time I've been alive for feels like the same amount of time from when I woke up this morning. My 33 years of life seem no longer than the last 5 hours.
You've just described it perfectly - that is exactly how I feel.
I will add this quote to the first post, as you managed to portray in one sentence what I did in about five :¬)
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Lavazza - 07-14-2010
Here is an excellent BBC documentary on time that you may find of interest! Four parts, total of four hours long. (wow)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7936746491856990760&ei=ujqYS4umEI7YqAO19-1r&q=Michio+Kaku#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5132896543158952711&hl=en&emb=1#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1003860946890561228&ei=F4yZS6fqGYHaqAP46d2IAg&q=Time+by+Michio+Kaku+-+3#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1003860946890561228&ei=F4yZS6fqGYHaqAP46d2IAg&q=Time+by+Michio+Kaku+-+3#docid=934813598026791393
RE: What is time and memory to you? - thefool - 07-29-2010
(07-02-2010, 09:44 AM)Namaste Wrote: So, what does time and memory mean to you as we move to fourth density, are you noticing differences in perception? Does any of this resonate with anyone? :¬)
Time does seem to be moving even more than the speed of light right now
Tomorrow becomes yesterday before I get a chance to blink. The past seems to have come closer as I think more about my formative years and how did they influence my current behavior. I agree that it feels like one big blob without any linearity...It seems to be losing its hold over me. I had stopped wearing a watch about 20 years ago. Now I dislike reading a newspaper as they all look the same. The same old story just different characters. I guess as the 3D illusion is frittering away so is the time with it. I used to live in future so much but now it is hard for me to imagine a future time.I agree with what Bashar said, paraphrasing - It may all be a complete illusion but your experience is the only thing real.
So true the experience of the situation is the only thing that remains with me. The names, faces and the people they just all seem to be becoming one another. It does not matter person A or person B they are all the same. Only what I am experiencing in the moment seem to stay with me as an essence..
RE: What is time and memory to you? - AnthroHeart - 07-29-2010
I agree fool. It seems much of what used to be important to me has lost its meaning. Nowadays, I find it hard to even hold a thought, instead giving way to the current of energy around me.
This speeding up of time to me seems to have some mental/psychological effect, and has caused a great amount of growing pains so to speak. I thought the symptoms had gone, but again I've felt tired (even with plenty of sleep), dizziness and some aches. Not just tiredness, but almost mind-numbing mental exhaustion. I understand the increase in vibration has to do with this as well. But that could be cause for the speeding up of time.
I am noticing time less in some regards, but also the synchronicities at moments, more. I'm finding less words for things as I go on. Less motivated to speak or write so much. At least that's how it is now. No telling what will come.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - fairyfarmgirl - 07-29-2010
For awhile it has felt that time was going wicked fast compared to 10 years ago... like 1 minute 10 years ago felt like a "forever" wait... then in the last 2 years 1 minute feels more like 8 seconds.
Now, for me, time seems to exist all at once... past, present and future potentials all appear together... it is like watching a movie for me... hard to explain... but instead of a linear expression of time... Time feels like a spiral that can be navigated in an infinite number of directions.
So superfast time now feels like merging time.
fairyfarmgirl
RE: What is time and memory to you? - AnthroHeart - 08-02-2010
For me, I still have my slow days, so it's not quite merged into singularity yet. Like today, I've been at work for almost 2 hours, and it's felt about that long.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - thefool - 08-02-2010
The other interesting aspect to this is that changes and progress seems to be happening very fast and that makes time appears to be going fast. It is like sitting in a fast train and everything outside is a just a blur, things are changing fast so the movement of time seems to be quick.
I made a recording for myself in March this year. I was listening to it today and realized how much I have changed since then. Things are definitely picking up, what use to happen in a year is happening in months or even weeks...
RE: What is time and memory to you? - AnthroHeart - 08-02-2010
Now with changes in things, I agree about happening more rapidly. The last 6 months have seen more change in me than my first 30 years.
RE: What is time and memory to you? - Namaste - 08-02-2010
Yes, same here. Changes are frequent, and often, quite dramatic.
Recently I've been needing a lot of sleep, too. A medium mentioned this was due to being imparted wisdom/teaching during sleep, however I cannot remember any of it in waking hours. Apparently, I'm not meant to... yet :¬)
thefool, Wolf, any profound changes this year?
Lavazza, thanks for the video links.