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Lukewarm Spiritualism - herald - 08-22-2016 Jesus is reported to have said “Since you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold - I will spit you out of my mouth!” The Ra Material refers to the polarizing of the human soul -perhaps the same hot or cold, and the difficulty this task actually presents. In our recent history, we experienced the influence of a number of polarizing individuals in America -but others also who served no purpose but to confound their seekers and impede their progress in learning the means of service. The “New Age Spiritualism” brought to us by Swami Prabhupada and Allen Ginsberg in New York and Jiddu Krishnamurti, and Alan Watts on the west coast collided with the so-called hippie movement of the sixties and hijacked their opposition to the Vietnam War to spread a message of peace (drugs) and Love (indiscriminate sex). The message was absolutely clear “if it feels good, do it!”. These supposed gurus taught their followers to renounce society and its customs, its religions, its philosophies- and even its rules about marriage and fidelity. "Hare Krishna” was the chant of tens of thousands who went into the streets deceptively begging by offering flowers or booklets and then demanding money. The chants were always the same: "There is no way…"; "there is no truth…”; dig it? This movement looks choreographed in retrospect, with the thrills of a hollywood set including: The former second pick for “World Teacher”, a messiah/buddha, from a family of elite Brahmin Indians; a zen thinker from Britain with a pointy beard; a full-out robe wearing guru in the city with thousands of look-alike followers, and of course the rambling, passionate beat-poet. Throw in a few cameos such as David Bohm and George Harrison then add a few run-ins with the law, and get this on film! The pockets of the leaders of this “new age” were continually filled by book sales for the philosophers and tax exempt corporations funding “trips" for the former messiah and the Swami. (Yeah that’s right, corporations). But “Its all good” right? No, it is not all good. Being afraid of bad is not good. It is certainly not good to have "no ego" as the leaders of this movement taught their fold. The milquetoast spirituality of these con men would be laughable if it were not for the loss of opportunity of so many who wished for something more. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Plenum - 08-23-2016 it definitely takes a commitment, and a coherency, to walk either Path. not because anyone is 'making you'; but because you've chosen it for yourself. I like hanging out with strongly polarised positives because they are usually quite 'intense'; in the best way RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - herald - 08-27-2016 Thank you Plenum, and readers. I know it is an unpopular assertion, that something was nefarious about the "free love" and "turning on" movement that I refer to, and its mix-in with the finding of ourselves and abandoning of our pre-establihed notions of organization in a religious or spiritual sense -taking the period from the mid-fifties to the mid seventies. Now it is still around but the dangers are higher, though the numbers have dropped significantly. My sense of loss for us in the modern era is of the talent and enthusiasm that went towards the hopeless concept of giving it all up in the name of freedom. There were movements at the time that were not based on the rejection of society, such as the political platforms of the Kennedys and Eugene McCarthy. The work of John Bennett in creating a basis for spiritual communities.The Peace Corps and the civil rights movement, surely needed help. But alas that was all diverted by people getting in touch with themselves and acting out their desires. This was when the wanderers were waking up and realizing that there is a polarization process going on and it is the honor/duty to assist, by willfully and consciously radiating the outpourings of awareness of from the higher centers to those who are able to use them for Harvest or by assisting in the actualization of the transformation by teaching. -goodwill RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Aion - 08-27-2016 Hmm, I think that is one assessment I suppose. Having been through 'ego death' experiences completely on my own, I would propose it is not a phenomena which is particularly tied to such movements even if they exploited the phenomena. I believe it to be an experience that arises under various conditions and can be positive or negative based on how one is influenced before, during or after the fact. It was used to negative effect by the original 'hashashim' as a mind control method. On the flip side it has been used to positive effect by Yogis and Monks for thousands of years. Again, I see it as a tool and catalyst which ultimately becomes positive or negative based on how you process it. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Aion - 08-27-2016 However, I do agree that this movement wasn't necessarily all smiles and sunshine and really the reason people think it was is because there was so much drug influence that had no guidance, context or preparation. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Chandlersdad - 08-28-2016 My simplistic response is that the entire Hippie movement (with all it embraced) was an illustration of pure Green Ray without the benefit of Blue Ray, i.e., love without wisdom. I was born in San Francisco and watched the entire hippie phenomena descend on the city in the 60's..."If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair...". It was a desire to return to an imagined childlike innocence that repressed (at least initially) negative emotions under a patina of brotherly love, devoid of any balancing elements of Blue Ray wisdom. Seeking instant enlightenment, drugs were used to essentially shoot infant consciousness in a medicinal rocket into outer space. If the consciousness could not handle what was revealed, that consciousness ended up in a jail or medical facility. Some people never came back since the "trip" invoked a psychosis. But making-believe did not last long. The Haight became a dangerous place. So many bad trips on so many levels - burned out people who sought perhaps what we could call a 4th Density reality while firmly still locked within 3rd Density. Yes, the movement was always marketed and commercialized for profit. When LOST IN SPACE and the BRADY BUNCH had episodes dedicated to groovy psychedelic aliens and dance parties, I knew we were descending the other side of the Bell Curve. For years the Haight became a rather sad place. I once sat down with some college age hippies in a coffee shop. I asked what attracted them to leave college (at least temporarily) and come to the Haight. One guy summed up the group response "We felt it was a great place to get laid, since all the girls seemed to be so willing". So maybe what started with high (unrealistic) ideals quickly became another profit center, a place for many groups to "get laid". RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - ada - 08-28-2016 What do you mean blue ray wisdom? you do realize that the thought/"wisdom" you're trying to tame is the mechanism of separation,elitism, and in general lack of compassionate understanding of one another? i.e you're not smart enough, you must be stupid. wisdom is within, Quote:5.2 Ra: The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - herald - 08-28-2016 Thank you C. and P. for replying to my post. (i'll check out the vid tomorrow). I just think that so much of our lives is governed by the yellow ray of separation, even acts of kindness- even in our meditation. I have to agree that any wisdom here is what's in the foggy past of the wanderers or scraped together by some dedicated adepts. So, yeah I pretty much have a hard line on whats "green ray". I have met way too many good people, who "love" others a great deal- so the numbers just don't add up for me. (Venus harvested .169) It must be about something more... Something that that movement was not giving people information about. It is the information on how we can use each other to change the direction of the instreaming infinite energy to where it can move outwards. This is through the will. The will is not the center of our being at most times. A major part of yellow ray is seeing ourselves as good people. Why did Ra build the pyramid? Why did they teach us the Archetypes? I believe it was to train the will. Adonai Vorasu Borragus! RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Glow - 08-28-2016 Everything beautiful is corrupted in this illusion. It doesn't mean the values were flawed. You see religion and societies constructs as a good thing. I see them as a control measures that actually induce separation. I also see that evolution in any area doesn't usually occur in incriminate steps. The pendulum usually has to swing past the next accepted point so the pendulum could then swing back and find balance. The hippie thing specifically. The constructs of sharing, brother/sister hood, love and equality are beautiful goals. The failure likely came from the fact most beings are not ready to BE that. They can recognize it as utopian but in trying to live the ideals that are not yet part of their being they inevitably fail. Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying. Evolution takes time. I wasn't there, I wasn't born till 76 so have no first hand experience obviously but society changed quickly, women started getting treated not as equals but less as sub humans, racial discrimination started to be challenged, people started to think for themselves in some form and like a snowball rolling down hill we have really come a long way. I may be missing your point... I'm pretty sure I am but I don't consider the goals of the utopian hippie movement at all as lukewarm. I'd say they started as a raging greenray that the masses simply couldn't sustain and some people corrupted as a source for personal gain. Wow sounds just like Christianity. Not many can even come close to walking the walk. It doesn't diminish the fact Christians know Jesus was an amazing being of love to be emulated. Now I don't know my point lol Bed time perhaps. Be well. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Aion - 08-29-2016 Will just leave this here... Quote:72.17 Questioner: Why is there no protection at the floor or bottom of the banishing ritual, and should there be? RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Aion - 08-29-2016 If you take the time to look at the cultural standards which existed throughout the 1800s, in to the two World Wars at the beginning of the 1900s, I think it can be said that the free love movement, while certainly mixed, was one of the first major movements towards green-ray on a global level. This means however that everyone's red to yellow rays were probably amplified and distortions drawn out to be balanced. You might notice that there seems to be a divide in the generations that lived through that movement. Some eventually giving up the ideals in exchange for pragmatism, and others staying attached firmly to their ideals. It is undeniable, to me, especially through all the drug influence, that there was a large 'break through' in to new ways of thinking unlike had been seen before. The thing is, you don't just jump to green-ray and that's it you're done. Everyone has red to yellow distortions to work with in that process leading up and the problem isn't the green-ray not being opened it is with the energy being locked up in red to yellow and thereby distorting the green. This is because activation isn't really the main thing which will represent harvestability but rather it is the overall balance of the entities. I would suggest that prior to the movement there was a much greater situation of inactive green rays and this was blown open during the last century. However now we have a whole balancing process to experience and go through and I personally don't think it is as quick as a generation or two but will take each entity a different amount of time and so the average probably spans out over a few hundred years. So you can look at it that we took a 'wrong' step, or you can see that there maybe are no wrong steps and the fact that we took the step in itself is significant. We now choose where the next steps will land. Personally, I am grateful for the precedence of free love because it laid a stone for more love-based thinking, even if it is a little mindless at times. I have faith that all ever move towards the One. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - WanderingOZ - 08-29-2016 (08-27-2016, 04:32 PM)Aion Wrote: Hmm, I think that is one assessment I suppose. Having been through 'ego death' experiences completely on my own, I would propose it is not a phenomena which is particularly tied to such movements even if they exploited the phenomena. I believe it to be an experience that arises under various conditions and can be positive or negative based on how one is influenced before, during or after the fact.Being a child of that era I think I can give a personal thought. This was a time of change. The energy coming into the planet was so different. There was some that took advantage of it and it was easy to be tacken advantage of. It was a new dynamic energy and a lot of people wanted to be part of it. Just didn't know what to make of it or where to put it. A great deal of it was hijacked by sts enterty's. But a lot of good came from it and evolved. You just have to look around today at all the good things people are doing today. Animal rights, people's rights, planetary. So many are defending and fighting for this and it all comes from heart n soul. This all started from that era. Sorta gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to see what you's are all doing today. As for the drugs of that time, well, cheech and chong were my cult hero's lol WanderingOZ ps. Talking about the 70's. Sheet did I get it wrong again. To much cheech n chong. RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - ada - 08-29-2016 you can't graduate by knowledge/thought... RE: Lukewarm Spiritualism - Billy - 08-29-2016 This song really captures how I feel about that era even though I was born decades after it. "Everywhere I look, I see the golden touch of love". Sigh, so beautiful. Damn those pesky lower rays, always having to spoil the party. |